Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-31 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Mark,

On 8/29/20 20:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 28/08/2020 20:54, Christopher Schultz wrote:
>> Calder,
>>
>> On 8/27/20 18:23, calder wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 16:16 Christopher Schultz <
>>> ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
>>
>>> [ snip ]
>>
>>> If you want to *kill* the application and it won't shut down
>>> on its
 own, SIGKILL is the answer. But that's not a great way to
 shut down an application /in general/ because the application
 might want/need to do something convenient on shutdown (flush
 caches, save state, etc.).
>>
>>
>>
>>> SIGTERM is the polite way to ask an application to shut down. A
>>> JVM will respond to this signal. (SIGHUP will also initiate a
>>> shut down, but TERM is preferred).  Using TERM will cause the
>>> shutdown hooks to initiate.
>>
>>> As Chris states, SIGKILL is a last resort (hooks are not
>>> called).
>>
>> If you send a SIGTERM to a Tomcat process, your application's
>> ServletContextListeners and stuff like that will not run.
>
> Yes it will. Tomcat will shutdown cleanly (after cleanly shutting
> down any running web applications).

Oh really? How does that work? Oh, right. A shutdown-hook. :)

>> Sure, you can register shutdown-hook, but ... eew. That's like,
>> AWFUL, man.
>
> You mean like Tomcat already does? Applications don't/shouldn't do
> this because Tomcat has already done so.

Exactly. Shutdown hooks from web applications should never be done. I
don't think of Tomcat as an "application". It does make sense for
containers to register such things.

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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-29 Thread Mark Thomas
On 28/08/2020 20:54, Christopher Schultz wrote:
> Calder,
> 
> On 8/27/20 18:23, calder wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 16:16 Christopher Schultz <
>> ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
> 
>> [ snip ]
> 
>> If you want to *kill* the application and it won't shut down on
>> its
>>> own, SIGKILL is the answer. But that's not a great way to shut
>>> down an application /in general/ because the application might
>>> want/need to do something convenient on shutdown (flush caches,
>>> save state, etc.).
> 
> 
> 
>> SIGTERM is the polite way to ask an application to shut down. A JVM
>> will respond to this signal. (SIGHUP will also initiate a shut
>> down, but TERM is preferred).  Using TERM will cause the shutdown
>> hooks to initiate.
> 
>> As Chris states, SIGKILL is a last resort (hooks are not called).
> 
> If you send a SIGTERM to a Tomcat process, your application's
> ServletContextListeners and stuff like that will not run.

Yes it will. Tomcat will shutdown cleanly (after cleanly shutting down
any running web applications).

> Sure, you
> can register shutdown-hook, but ... eew. That's like, AWFUL, man.

You mean like Tomcat already does? Applications don't/shouldn't do this
because Tomcat has already done so.

Mark


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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-28 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Calder,

On 8/27/20 18:23, calder wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 16:16 Christopher Schultz <
> ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
>
> [ snip ]
>
> If you want to *kill* the application and it won't shut down on
> its
>> own, SIGKILL is the answer. But that's not a great way to shut
>> down an application /in general/ because the application might
>> want/need to do something convenient on shutdown (flush caches,
>> save state, etc.).
>
>
>
> SIGTERM is the polite way to ask an application to shut down. A JVM
> will respond to this signal. (SIGHUP will also initiate a shut
> down, but TERM is preferred).  Using TERM will cause the shutdown
> hooks to initiate.
>
> As Chris states, SIGKILL is a last resort (hooks are not called).

If you send a SIGTERM to a Tomcat process, your application's
ServletContextListeners and stuff like that will not run. Sure, you
can register shutdown-hook, but ... eew. That's like, AWFUL, man.

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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-27 Thread calder
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 16:16 Christopher Schultz <
ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:

[ snip ]

If you want to *kill* the application and it won't shut down on its
> own, SIGKILL is the answer. But that's not a great way to shut down an
> application /in general/ because the application might want/need to do
> something convenient on shutdown (flush caches, save state, etc.).



SIGTERM is the polite way to ask an application to shut down. A JVM will
respond to this signal. (SIGHUP will also initiate a shut down, but TERM is
preferred).  Using TERM will cause the shutdown hooks to initiate.

As Chris states, SIGKILL is a last resort (hooks are not called).


[ snip ]


Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-27 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Roger,

On 8/27/20 14:43, Roger Marquis wrote:
> Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Those are all application issues. The application should shut
>> itself down cleanly. Tomcat is complaining because it hasn't.
>
> I don't know Mark, most Java/Tomcat engineers expect an application
> to shutdown when it's os/container/shell/parent shuts-down.  Can
> you help us understand why Tomcat is different in this respect than
> say Apache httpd?

Along with Mark's reply, there is also the fact that httpd doesn't
really run "applications" per se. If you are using something like
mod_php or CGI, then that's all ephemeral: once the request is done,
the child process dies. Or, more specifically, the child process exits
and that's what causes the response to be sent to the client.

There is little to no notion of cross-request state in httpd.
Requesting httpd to stop sends a signal to the primary httpd process
which tells all its children to stop. If there is a problem with a
child (e.g. it's processing a request, or stuck in some way), the
primary process has to decide what to do about it. It may be able to
SIGKILL it. Maybe not, depending upon process privileges (though the
primary process usually runs as root, so it should be able to do that).

For threaded MPMs, the primary or child process can choose what to do
about killing the threads that appear stuck. The pthreads library has
a pthread_cancel function which requests that the thread be stopped,
but it does not guarantee anything. This is similar to Java, except
that Java has gone so far as to say "the Thread.stop method should not
be used" (because it is not reliable, it causes weirdness in the JVM,
etc.).

If you want to *kill* the application and it won't shut down on its
own, SIGKILL is the answer. But that's not a great way to shut down an
application /in general/ because the application might want/need to do
something convenient on shutdown (flush caches, save state, etc.).

The previous two paragraphs are mostly valid for both httpd AND
Tomcat. The reason httpd is often "cleaner" than Tomcat sometimes is,
is because of the applications running within Tomcat. httpd is really
a web server, and Tomcat is an application container.

Could Tomcat be more aggressive about killing applications when they
aren't behaving appropriately? Maybe. But then you'd never fix your
application, now would you?

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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-27 Thread Mark Thomas
On 27/08/2020 19:43, Roger Marquis wrote:
> Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Those are all application issues. The application should shut itself
>> down cleanly. Tomcat is complaining because it hasn't.
> 
> I don't know Mark, most Java/Tomcat engineers expect an application to
> shutdown when it's os/container/shell/parent shuts-down.  Can you help
> us understand why Tomcat is different in this respect than say Apache
> httpd?

Java doesn't provide an API a cleanly stop another thread. If an
application starts a non-daemon thread but doesn't stop it there is
nothing Tomcat can do to stop that thread and the JVM won't shutdown
until the thread stops. Using OS level tools to stop the process is the
only option.

Hence, applications are responsible to cleaning up the resources they
create. For example, if an app starts a thread then the app is also
responsible for stopping it. Generally, apps use one or more
ServletContextListeners to do this.

Along similar lines, failing to clean up resources can also trigger
memory leaks. Tomcat will clean those up where it can and log the
problems it finds so the application can address them. While such issues
are unimportant when shutting Tomcat down entirely, they are much more
serious if the web application is being redeployed.

Mark

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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-27 Thread Roger Marquis

Mark Thomas wrote:

Those are all application issues. The application should shut itself
down cleanly. Tomcat is complaining because it hasn't.


I don't know Mark, most Java/Tomcat engineers expect an application to
shutdown when it's os/container/shell/parent shuts-down.  Can you help
us understand why Tomcat is different in this respect than say Apache
httpd?

Roger Marquis

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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-25 Thread Mark Thomas
On 25/08/2020 16:40, ratatouille wrote:
> Mark Thomas  schrieb am 25.08.20 um 11:31:59 Uhr:
> 
>> On 25/08/2020 11:07, ratatouille wrote:
> 
>>> I am running openmeetings on a CentOS 8 server and start it with startup.sh
>>> in the bin-folder.
>>>
>>> The problem is when I execute shutdown.sh the process still exists after.
>>> I have to kill it manually.
> 
>>> I was told these scripts are un-modified scripts of Apache Tomcat
>>> 9.0.37, that's why I am asking here for help.
>>>
>>> Any hint on this?  
>>
>> Take a Java thread dump of the still running process. That should point
>> you towards what hasn't shutdown properly.
> 
> I see some warnings and stack traces when I execute shutdown.sh.
> For example:

Those are all application issues. The application should shut itself
down cleanly. Tomcat is complaining because it hasn't.

Mark


> 
> 25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.246 WARNUNG [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.clearReferencesThreads The 
> web application [openmeetings
> ] appears to have started a thread named [nioEventLoopGroup-3-4] but has 
> failed to stop it. This is very likely to create a memory leak. Stack tr
> ace of thread:
>  java.base@11.0.8/java.lang.Thread.sleep(Native Method)
>  
> io.netty.util.concurrent.SingleThreadEventExecutor.confirmShutdown(SingleThreadEventExecutor.java:790)
>  io.netty.channel.nio.NioEventLoop.run(NioEventLoop.java:525)
>  
> io.netty.util.concurrent.SingleThreadEventExecutor$4.run(SingleThreadEventExecutor.java:989)
>  io.netty.util.internal.ThreadExecutorMap$2.run(ThreadExecutorMap.java:74)
>  
> io.netty.util.concurrent.FastThreadLocalRunnable.run(FastThreadLocalRunnable.java:30)
>  java.base@11.0.8/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:834)
> 25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.280 SCHWERWIEGEND [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.checkThreadLocalMapForLeaks 
> The web application [o
> penmeetings] created a ThreadLocal with key of type [java.lang.ThreadLocal] 
> (value [java.lang.ThreadLocal@14a07c8d]) and a value of type [io.nett
> y.util.internal.InternalThreadLocalMap] (value 
> [io.netty.util.internal.InternalThreadLocalMap@6096444e]) but failed to 
> remove it when the web app
> lication was stopped. Threads are going to be renewed over time to try and 
> avoid a probable memory leak.
> 25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.289 INFORMATION [main] 
> org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol.stop Stopping ProtocolHandler 
> ["http-nio-5080"]
> 25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.296 INFORMATION [main] 
> org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol.stop Stopping ProtocolHandler 
> ["https-jsse-nio-5443"]
> 25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.302 INFORMATION [main] 
> org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol.destroy Destroying ProtocolHandler 
> ["http-nio-5080"]
> 25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.305 INFORMATION [main] 
> org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol.destroy Destroying ProtocolHandler 
> ["https-jsse-nio-5443"]
> 25-Aug-2020 17:31:50.921 INFORMATION [mysql-cj-abandoned-connection-cleanup] 
> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.checkStateForResour
> ceLoading Illegal access: this web application instance has been stopped 
> already. Could not load []. The following stack trace is thrown for debu
> gging purposes as well as to attempt to terminate the thread which caused the 
> illegal access.
> java.lang.IllegalStateException: Illegal access: this web application 
> instance has been stopped already. Could not load []. The following
>  stack trace is thrown for debugging purposes as well as to attempt to 
> terminate the thread which caused the illegal access.
> at 
> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.checkStateForResourceLoading(WebappClassLoaderBase.java:1385)
> at 
> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.getResource(WebappClassLoaderBase.java:1038)
> at 
> com.mysql.cj.jdbc.AbandonedConnectionCleanupThread.checkThreadContextClassLoader(AbandonedConnectionCleanupThread.java:117)
> at 
> com.mysql.cj.jdbc.AbandonedConnectionCleanupThread.run(AbandonedConnectionCleanupThread.java:84)
> at 
> java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1128)
> at 
> java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:628)
> at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:834)
> 
> The output of the shutdown is a lot longer than the above.
> 
> I have no clue about Java and tomcat so I can't do anything about this.
> 
>   Andreas
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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-25 Thread Pete Helgren
The only time I ran into this is when I had conflict on the shutdown 
port or multiple instances which had a port conflict on the shutdown 
port.  Other than that, I don't know.  Possible permissions issues?


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On 8/25/2020 5:07 AM, ratatouille wrote:

Hello!

I am running openmeetings on a CentOS 8 server and start it with startup.sh
in the bin-folder.

The problem is when I execute shutdown.sh the process still exists after.
I have to kill it manually.

# -
# Stop script for the CATALINA Server
# -

# Better OS/400 detection: see Bugzilla 31132
os400=false
case "`uname`" in
OS400*) os400=true;;
esac

# resolve links - $0 may be a softlink
PRG="$0"

while [ -h "$PRG" ] ; do
   ls=`ls -ld "$PRG"`
   link=`expr "$ls" : '.*-> \(.*\)$'`
   if expr "$link" : '/.*' > /dev/null; then
 PRG="$link"
   else
 PRG=`dirname "$PRG"`/"$link"
   fi
done

PRGDIR=`dirname "$PRG"`
EXECUTABLE=catalina.sh

# Check that target executable exists
if $os400; then
   # -x will Only work on the os400 if the files are:
   # 1. owned by the user
   # 2. owned by the PRIMARY group of the user
   # this will not work if the user belongs in secondary groups
   eval
else
   if [ ! -x "$PRGDIR"/"$EXECUTABLE" ]; then
 echo "Cannot find $PRGDIR/$EXECUTABLE"
 echo "The file is absent or does not have execute permission"
 echo "This file is needed to run this program"
 exit 1
   fi
fi

exec "$PRGDIR"/"$EXECUTABLE" stop "$@"

I was told these scripts are un-modified scripts of Apache Tomcat
9.0.37, that's why I am asking here for help.

Any hint on this?

   Andreas

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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-25 Thread ratatouille
Mark Thomas  schrieb am 25.08.20 um 11:31:59 Uhr:

> On 25/08/2020 11:07, ratatouille wrote:

> > I am running openmeetings on a CentOS 8 server and start it with startup.sh
> > in the bin-folder.
> > 
> > The problem is when I execute shutdown.sh the process still exists after.
> > I have to kill it manually.

> > I was told these scripts are un-modified scripts of Apache Tomcat
> > 9.0.37, that's why I am asking here for help.
> > 
> > Any hint on this?  
> 
> Take a Java thread dump of the still running process. That should point
> you towards what hasn't shutdown properly.

I see some warnings and stack traces when I execute shutdown.sh.
For example:

25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.246 WARNUNG [main] 
org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.clearReferencesThreads The web 
application [openmeetings
] appears to have started a thread named [nioEventLoopGroup-3-4] but has failed 
to stop it. This is very likely to create a memory leak. Stack tr
ace of thread:
 java.base@11.0.8/java.lang.Thread.sleep(Native Method)
 
io.netty.util.concurrent.SingleThreadEventExecutor.confirmShutdown(SingleThreadEventExecutor.java:790)
 io.netty.channel.nio.NioEventLoop.run(NioEventLoop.java:525)
 
io.netty.util.concurrent.SingleThreadEventExecutor$4.run(SingleThreadEventExecutor.java:989)
 io.netty.util.internal.ThreadExecutorMap$2.run(ThreadExecutorMap.java:74)
 
io.netty.util.concurrent.FastThreadLocalRunnable.run(FastThreadLocalRunnable.java:30)
 java.base@11.0.8/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:834)
25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.280 SCHWERWIEGEND [main] 
org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.checkThreadLocalMapForLeaks 
The web application [o
penmeetings] created a ThreadLocal with key of type [java.lang.ThreadLocal] 
(value [java.lang.ThreadLocal@14a07c8d]) and a value of type [io.nett
y.util.internal.InternalThreadLocalMap] (value 
[io.netty.util.internal.InternalThreadLocalMap@6096444e]) but failed to remove 
it when the web app
lication was stopped. Threads are going to be renewed over time to try and 
avoid a probable memory leak.
25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.289 INFORMATION [main] 
org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol.stop Stopping ProtocolHandler 
["http-nio-5080"]
25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.296 INFORMATION [main] 
org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol.stop Stopping ProtocolHandler 
["https-jsse-nio-5443"]
25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.302 INFORMATION [main] 
org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol.destroy Destroying ProtocolHandler 
["http-nio-5080"]
25-Aug-2020 17:31:49.305 INFORMATION [main] 
org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol.destroy Destroying ProtocolHandler 
["https-jsse-nio-5443"]
25-Aug-2020 17:31:50.921 INFORMATION [mysql-cj-abandoned-connection-cleanup] 
org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.checkStateForResour
ceLoading Illegal access: this web application instance has been stopped 
already. Could not load []. The following stack trace is thrown for debu
gging purposes as well as to attempt to terminate the thread which caused the 
illegal access.
java.lang.IllegalStateException: Illegal access: this web application 
instance has been stopped already. Could not load []. The following
 stack trace is thrown for debugging purposes as well as to attempt to 
terminate the thread which caused the illegal access.
at 
org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.checkStateForResourceLoading(WebappClassLoaderBase.java:1385)
at 
org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.getResource(WebappClassLoaderBase.java:1038)
at 
com.mysql.cj.jdbc.AbandonedConnectionCleanupThread.checkThreadContextClassLoader(AbandonedConnectionCleanupThread.java:117)
at 
com.mysql.cj.jdbc.AbandonedConnectionCleanupThread.run(AbandonedConnectionCleanupThread.java:84)
at 
java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1128)
at 
java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:628)
at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:834)

The output of the shutdown is a lot longer than the above.

I have no clue about Java and tomcat so I can't do anything about this.

  Andreas

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Re: Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-25 Thread Mark Thomas
On 25/08/2020 11:07, ratatouille wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I am running openmeetings on a CentOS 8 server and start it with startup.sh
> in the bin-folder.
> 
> The problem is when I execute shutdown.sh the process still exists after.
> I have to kill it manually.
> 
> # 
> -
> # Stop script for the CATALINA Server
> # 
> -
> 
> # Better OS/400 detection: see Bugzilla 31132
> os400=false
> case "`uname`" in
> OS400*) os400=true;;
> esac
> 
> # resolve links - $0 may be a softlink
> PRG="$0"
> 
> while [ -h "$PRG" ] ; do
>   ls=`ls -ld "$PRG"`
>   link=`expr "$ls" : '.*-> \(.*\)$'`
>   if expr "$link" : '/.*' > /dev/null; then
> PRG="$link"
>   else
> PRG=`dirname "$PRG"`/"$link"
>   fi
> done
> 
> PRGDIR=`dirname "$PRG"`
> EXECUTABLE=catalina.sh
> 
> # Check that target executable exists
> if $os400; then
>   # -x will Only work on the os400 if the files are:
>   # 1. owned by the user
>   # 2. owned by the PRIMARY group of the user
>   # this will not work if the user belongs in secondary groups
>   eval
> else
>   if [ ! -x "$PRGDIR"/"$EXECUTABLE" ]; then
> echo "Cannot find $PRGDIR/$EXECUTABLE"
> echo "The file is absent or does not have execute permission"
> echo "This file is needed to run this program"
> exit 1
>   fi
> fi
> 
> exec "$PRGDIR"/"$EXECUTABLE" stop "$@"
> 
> I was told these scripts are un-modified scripts of Apache Tomcat
> 9.0.37, that's why I am asking here for help.
> 
> Any hint on this?

Take a Java thread dump of the still running process. That should point
you towards what hasn't shutdown properly.

Mark

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Probelm with shutdown script

2020-08-25 Thread ratatouille
Hello!

I am running openmeetings on a CentOS 8 server and start it with startup.sh
in the bin-folder.

The problem is when I execute shutdown.sh the process still exists after.
I have to kill it manually.

# -
# Stop script for the CATALINA Server
# -

# Better OS/400 detection: see Bugzilla 31132
os400=false
case "`uname`" in
OS400*) os400=true;;
esac

# resolve links - $0 may be a softlink
PRG="$0"

while [ -h "$PRG" ] ; do
  ls=`ls -ld "$PRG"`
  link=`expr "$ls" : '.*-> \(.*\)$'`
  if expr "$link" : '/.*' > /dev/null; then
PRG="$link"
  else
PRG=`dirname "$PRG"`/"$link"
  fi
done

PRGDIR=`dirname "$PRG"`
EXECUTABLE=catalina.sh

# Check that target executable exists
if $os400; then
  # -x will Only work on the os400 if the files are:
  # 1. owned by the user
  # 2. owned by the PRIMARY group of the user
  # this will not work if the user belongs in secondary groups
  eval
else
  if [ ! -x "$PRGDIR"/"$EXECUTABLE" ]; then
echo "Cannot find $PRGDIR/$EXECUTABLE"
echo "The file is absent or does not have execute permission"
echo "This file is needed to run this program"
exit 1
  fi
fi

exec "$PRGDIR"/"$EXECUTABLE" stop "$@"

I was told these scripts are un-modified scripts of Apache Tomcat
9.0.37, that's why I am asking here for help.

Any hint on this?

  Andreas

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