Re: Setting up a Context outside of webapps

[Christopher Schultz]

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Igal,

On 10/21/16 3:41 PM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> On 10/21/2016 12:03 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote:
>> I'm not sure anyone else's opinion matters at this point. You've 
>> decided what you want to do... you're just looking for
>> validation. Technically, this works. Whether there are better
>> ways to do it are debatable.
> I've been running Tomcat for almost 10 years now, and this works
> for me well, having separate directory trees for software, config
> files, and web documents.
> 
> So yes, I've decided what I want to do.  But I want to make sure
> that there are no unintended consequences of which I'm unaware.

I don't believe there are any untended consequences of doing what
you're doing, other than the caveat that you have to bounce Tomcat to
make any changes.

>> But you're not interested in anyone else's opinon, so why bother
>> asking?
> That's because I'm not looking for an opinion of users who've found
> some config files online and copied/pasted them to their server.
> I'm looking for an opinion of someone who knows the inner workings
> of Tomcat, e.g. someone from the core team members.
> 
> So far no one has shown me how they set up Tomcat in a directory
> outside of $CATALINA_BASE.  The few "opinions" that I received say
> that my web directories should reside inside
> $CATALINA_BASE/webapps, which as you stated -- I've already decided
> that is not what I want.

If you want applications deployed outside of the appBase, then the
best way IMO is to drop your application.xml into
conf/[service]/[host]/[appname].xml. Point the docbase anywhere you
please.

>> How many different ways are there to demonstrate:
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> ??
> How exactly does that show how to specify where the web root will
> be, and have it outside of $CATALINA_BASE/webapps?

I'm sorry, that reference was for a few lines below what you're asking
here. This is the one you want, now:

http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.5-doc/config/context.html#Naming

It says pretty clearly: the docbase identifies where your files are,
and the name of the XML file defines the URL mount-point.

> My question, at least the 2nd time around, is in my opinion very
> clear and very valid.  It'd be really great if someone can provide
> a real answer rather than post a couple of links to the docs (I
> have access to google too), or tell me that I'm just "doing it
> wrong".

Okay: you're doing it wrong and instead you should do what I've
outlined above and is detailed in Tomcat's configuration reference:
put your application's XML file in conf/[service]/[host]/[appname].xml
and put your bite wherever the heck you want.

The only difference between what I'm recommending and what you are
doing is the location of the : I recommend a separate file,
and you like server.xml. They will both work. There are advantages to
each, and I suspect you know what they are. I happen to like the
advantages of my recommendation over your current deployment and I've
explained what those advantages are. If you don't think it's worth the
trouble, don't change anything.

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Re: Setting up a Context outside of webapps

[Igal @ Lucee.org]

Chris,

On 10/21/2016 12:03 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote:

I'm not sure anyone else's opinion matters at this point. You've
decided what you want to do... you're just looking for validation.
Technically, this works. Whether there are better ways to do it are
debatable.
I've been running Tomcat for almost 10 years now, and this works for me 
well, having separate directory trees for software, config files, and 
web documents.


So yes, I've decided what I want to do.  But I want to make sure that 
there are no unintended consequences of which I'm unaware.



But you're not interested in anyone else's opinon, so why
bother asking?
That's because I'm not looking for an opinion of users who've found some 
config files online and copied/pasted them to their server. I'm looking 
for an opinion of someone who knows the inner workings of Tomcat, e.g. 
someone from the core team members.


So far no one has shown me how they set up Tomcat in a directory outside 
of $CATALINA_BASE.  The few "opinions" that I received say that my web 
directories should reside inside $CATALINA_BASE/webapps, which as you 
stated -- I've already decided that is not what I want.



How many different ways are there to demonstrate:


   


??
How exactly does that show how to specify where the web root will be, 
and have it outside of $CATALINA_BASE/webapps?


My question, at least the 2nd time around, is in my opinion very clear 
and very valid.  It'd be really great if someone can provide a real 
answer rather than post a couple of links to the docs (I have access to 
google too), or tell me that I'm just "doing it wrong".


Sincerely,


Igal



There is a description of all the ways to define a context here:
https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.5-doc/config/context.html#Defining_a_
context

The files go where the files go. The contents are not terribly
relevant. What kind of example were you looking for?

- -chris


On 10/21/2016 1:21 AM, r.bott...@afterbit.com wrote:

Hello, did you received some real config? Roberto. -Messaggio
originale- Da: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org]
Inviato: venerdì 7 ottobre 2016 21:57 A: Tomcat Users List
 Oggetto: Re: Host appBase vs. Context
docBase


Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.

I'm using Tomcat 8.5.5 -- not sure how relevant that is since
AFAIK this has not changed in years.


It is highly unlikely that you want the  name to be App1

Of course that my host name is not App1, that was to remove fluff
and to keep only the relevant information in the email.


The path attribute of the  element must not be used
unless the  element is in server.xml, which it should
not be

I actually prefer it to be in server.xml


The docBase attribute is used only when the  element
is located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml

That is definitely not true.  I've set up Tomcat many many times
like this and it works.  I may have not set it up the best way,
hence my question here, but the docBase attribute is indeed,
used.


You need to read the documentation for , , and
deployment

for the Tomcat version you're using. It would have been nice to
see some real life examples of complete configurations.

Igal Sapir Lucee Core Developer Lucee.org 

On 10/7/2016 12:39 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote:

From: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org] Subject: Host
appBase vs. Context docBase Suppose that I have an
application at C:\WebApps\App1

Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.


  

Both of the above are incorrect.  It is highly unlikely that
you want the

 name to be App1.  The appBase attribute of  must
point to a directory where one or more webapps are located for
automatic deployment. It must never point to a specific webapp.
The path attribute of the  element must not be used
unless the  element is in server.xml, which it should
not be.  The docBase attribute is used only when the 
element is located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml.

You need to read the documentation for , , and
deployment

for the Tomcat version you're using.

- Chuck


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Re: Setting up a Context outside of webapps

[Christopher Schultz]

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Igal,

On 10/21/16 1:31 PM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote:
> I'm asking my question differently since it didn't get much
> traction when I asked it before.
> 
> I want to set up a Web Context outside of %CATALINA_BASE%/webapps,
> e.g. at C:\WebRoot\myapp.  I prefer to configure it in server.xml,
> because I like it that all of my config files are at
> %CATALINA_BASE%/conf.
> 
> So for example, to set up an app for myapp.tld, with contents in 
> C:\WebRoot\myapp, I use the following snippet:
> 
>   docBase="C:\WebRoot\myapp" /> 
> 
> I don't want to specify Host appBase to C:\WebRoot because it
> contains separate sites (Contexts) in different directories, and
> each site is configured to run at the root directory of the site,
> e.g. http://myapp.tld/.  I also clear the contents of
> %CATALINA_BASE%/webapps.
> 
> Is that the right way to do it?  Is there a better way?  Anything
> wrong with this set up?

I'm not sure anyone else's opinion matters at this point. You've
decided what you want to do... you're just looking for validation.
Technically, this works. Whether there are better ways to do it are
debatable. But you're not interested in anyone else's opinon, so why
bother asking?

> It'd be great if the docs had contained some real examples.

How many different ways are there to demonstrate:


  


??

There is a description of all the ways to define a context here:
https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.5-doc/config/context.html#Defining_a_
context

The files go where the files go. The contents are not terribly
relevant. What kind of example were you looking for?

- -chris

> On 10/21/2016 1:21 AM, r.bott...@afterbit.com wrote:
>> Hello, did you received some real config? Roberto. -Messaggio
>> originale- Da: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org] 
>> Inviato: venerdì 7 ottobre 2016 21:57 A: Tomcat Users List
>>  Oggetto: Re: Host appBase vs. Context
>> docBase
>> 
>>> Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.
>> I'm using Tomcat 8.5.5 -- not sure how relevant that is since
>> AFAIK this has not changed in years.
>> 
>>> It is highly unlikely that you want the  name to be App1
>> Of course that my host name is not App1, that was to remove fluff
>> and to keep only the relevant information in the email.
>> 
>>> The path attribute of the  element must not be used
>>> unless the  element is in server.xml, which it should
>>> not be
>> I actually prefer it to be in server.xml
>> 
>>> The docBase attribute is used only when the  element
>>> is located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml
>> That is definitely not true.  I've set up Tomcat many many times
>> like this and it works.  I may have not set it up the best way,
>> hence my question here, but the docBase attribute is indeed,
>> used.
>> 
>>> You need to read the documentation for , , and
>>> deployment
>> for the Tomcat version you're using. It would have been nice to
>> see some real life examples of complete configurations.
>> 
>> Igal Sapir Lucee Core Developer Lucee.org 
>> 
>> On 10/7/2016 12:39 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
 From: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org] Subject: Host
 appBase vs. Context docBase Suppose that I have an 
 application at C:\WebApps\App1
>>> Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.
>>> 
  >>> autoDeploy="false">   >>> name="App1" autoDeploy="false"> >>> path=""docBase="C:\WebApps\App1" /> 
>>> Both of the above are incorrect.  It is highly unlikely that
>>> you want the
>>  name to be App1.  The appBase attribute of  must
>> point to a directory where one or more webapps are located for
>> automatic deployment. It must never point to a specific webapp.
>> The path attribute of the  element must not be used
>> unless the  element is in server.xml, which it should
>> not be.  The docBase attribute is used only when the 
>> element is located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml.
>>> You need to read the documentation for , , and
>>> deployment
>> for the Tomcat version you're using.
>>> - Chuck
>>> 
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Re: Setting up a Context outside of webapps

[Igal @ Lucee.org]

Hi,

On 10/21/2016 10:51 AM, Mark Eggers wrote:

1. Create separate Host entries for each host that you wish to serve.
See:

http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html
This shows how to have separate xml files for the different hosts, which 
is not what I am asking about



2. Name your WAR file ROOT.war (case is important even on Windows)
I am not using WAR files, nor do I want to be limited to name it 
according to convention, i.e. ROOT.war



There are a lot of examples - here's an old one:

http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/TomcatDevelopmentVirtualHosts


Those examples use webapps container directory (regardless of whether 
it's $CATALINA_BASE/webapps or in a different path.


Again, not what I'm after, and not what I'm asking about.


Igal




On 10/21/2016 1:21 AM, r.bott...@afterbit.com wrote:

Hello,
did you received some real config?
Roberto.
   -Messaggio originale-
Da: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org]
Inviato: venerdì 7 ottobre 2016 21:57
A: Tomcat Users List 
Oggetto: Re: Host appBase vs. Context docBase


Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.

I'm using Tomcat 8.5.5 -- not sure how relevant that is since AFAIK
this has
not changed in years.


It is highly unlikely that you want the  name to be App1

Of course that my host name is not App1, that was to remove fluff and to
keep only the relevant information in the email.


The path attribute of the  element must not be used unless
the  element is in server.xml, which it should not be

I actually prefer it to be in server.xml


The docBase attribute is used only when the  element is
located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml

That is definitely not true.  I've set up Tomcat many many times like
this
and it works.  I may have not set it up the best way, hence my question
here, but the docBase attribute is indeed, used.


You need to read the documentation for , , and deployment

for the Tomcat version you're using.
It would have been nice to see some real life examples of complete
configurations.

Igal Sapir
Lucee Core Developer
Lucee.org 

On 10/7/2016 12:39 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote:

From: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org]
Subject: Host appBase vs. Context docBase Suppose that I have an
application at C:\WebApps\App1

Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.







  

Both of the above are incorrect.  It is highly unlikely that you want
the

 name to be App1.  The appBase attribute of  must point to a
directory where one or more webapps are located for automatic deployment.
It must never point to a specific webapp.  The path attribute of the
 element must not be used unless the  element is in
server.xml, which it should not be.  The docBase attribute is used
only when
the  element is located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml.

You need to read the documentation for , , and deployment

for the Tomcat version you're using.

- Chuck


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Re: Setting up a Context outside of webapps

[Mark Eggers]

Replying inline and at the end of the most recently posted message:

On 10/21/2016 10:31 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote:
> I'm asking my question differently since it didn't get much traction
> when I asked it before.
> 
> I want to set up a Web Context outside of %CATALINA_BASE%/webapps, e.g.
> at C:\WebRoot\myapp.  I prefer to configure it in server.xml, because I
> like it that all of my config files are at %CATALINA_BASE%/conf.
> 
> So for example, to set up an app for myapp.tld, with contents in
> C:\WebRoot\myapp, I use the following snippet:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't want to specify Host appBase to C:\WebRoot because it contains
> separate sites (Contexts) in different directories, and each site is
> configured to run at the root directory of the site, e.g.
> http://myapp.tld/.  I also clear the contents of %CATALINA_BASE%/webapps.
> 
> Is that the right way to do it?  Is there a better way?  Anything wrong
> with this set up?

1. In my opinion, no
2. In my opinion, yes
3. Read the docs concerning docBase, appBase, and ROOT.war

> 
> It'd be great if the docs had contained some real examples.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Igal Sapir
> Lucee Core Developer
> Lucee.org 
> 

1. Create separate Host entries for each host that you wish to serve.
   See:

http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html

2. Name your WAR file ROOT.war (case is important even on Windows)

3. Navigate to http://hostname/

The appropriate site will come up with the default application being
ROOT.war.

There are a lot of examples - here's an old one:

http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/TomcatDevelopmentVirtualHosts

One of these days I'll get around to revising, rewriting, and updating
the document for a production environment.

We use a variant of that setup with CATALINA_BASE and CATALINA_HOME for
production. It makes managing hosts and doing upgrades simple. Most of
the work can be done without taking the system offline.

. . . just my two cents
/mde/


> On 10/21/2016 1:21 AM, r.bott...@afterbit.com wrote:
>> Hello,
>> did you received some real config?
>> Roberto.
>>   -Messaggio originale-
>> Da: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org]
>> Inviato: venerdì 7 ottobre 2016 21:57
>> A: Tomcat Users List 
>> Oggetto: Re: Host appBase vs. Context docBase
>>
>>> Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.
>> I'm using Tomcat 8.5.5 -- not sure how relevant that is since AFAIK
>> this has
>> not changed in years.
>>
>>> It is highly unlikely that you want the  name to be App1
>> Of course that my host name is not App1, that was to remove fluff and to
>> keep only the relevant information in the email.
>>
>>> The path attribute of the  element must not be used unless
>>> the  element is in server.xml, which it should not be
>> I actually prefer it to be in server.xml
>>
>>> The docBase attribute is used only when the  element is
>>> located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml
>> That is definitely not true.  I've set up Tomcat many many times like
>> this
>> and it works.  I may have not set it up the best way, hence my question
>> here, but the docBase attribute is indeed, used.
>>
>>> You need to read the documentation for , , and deployment
>> for the Tomcat version you're using.
>> It would have been nice to see some real life examples of complete
>> configurations.
>>
>> Igal Sapir
>> Lucee Core Developer
>> Lucee.org 
>>
>> On 10/7/2016 12:39 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
 From: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org]
 Subject: Host appBase vs. Context docBase Suppose that I have an
 application at C:\WebApps\App1
>>> Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.
>>>
 
 
 
 
 
  
>>> Both of the above are incorrect.  It is highly unlikely that you want
>>> the
>>  name to be App1.  The appBase attribute of  must point to a
>> directory where one or more webapps are located for automatic deployment.
>> It must never point to a specific webapp.  The path attribute of the
>>  element must not be used unless the  element is in
>> server.xml, which it should not be.  The docBase attribute is used
>> only when
>> the  element is located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml.
>>> You need to read the documentation for , , and deployment
>> for the Tomcat version you're using.
>>>- Chuck
>>>
>>>
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Setting up a Context outside of webapps (was: Host appBase vs. Context docBase)

[Igal @ Lucee.org]

I'm asking my question differently since it didn't get much traction 
when I asked it before.


I want to set up a Web Context outside of %CATALINA_BASE%/webapps, e.g. 
at C:\WebRoot\myapp.  I prefer to configure it in server.xml, because I 
like it that all of my config files are at %CATALINA_BASE%/conf.


So for example, to set up an app for myapp.tld, with contents in 
C:\WebRoot\myapp, I use the following snippet:






I don't want to specify Host appBase to C:\WebRoot because it contains 
separate sites (Contexts) in different directories, and each site is 
configured to run at the root directory of the site, e.g. 
http://myapp.tld/.  I also clear the contents of %CATALINA_BASE%/webapps.


Is that the right way to do it?  Is there a better way?  Anything wrong 
with this set up?


It'd be great if the docs had contained some real examples.

Thanks,

Igal Sapir
Lucee Core Developer
Lucee.org 

On 10/21/2016 1:21 AM, r.bott...@afterbit.com wrote:

Hello,
did you received some real config?
Roberto.
  
-Messaggio originale-

Da: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org]
Inviato: venerdì 7 ottobre 2016 21:57
A: Tomcat Users List 
Oggetto: Re: Host appBase vs. Context docBase


Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.

I'm using Tomcat 8.5.5 -- not sure how relevant that is since AFAIK this has
not changed in years.


It is highly unlikely that you want the  name to be App1

Of course that my host name is not App1, that was to remove fluff and to
keep only the relevant information in the email.


The path attribute of the  element must not be used unless
the  element is in server.xml, which it should not be

I actually prefer it to be in server.xml


The docBase attribute is used only when the  element is
located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml

That is definitely not true.  I've set up Tomcat many many times like this
and it works.  I may have not set it up the best way, hence my question
here, but the docBase attribute is indeed, used.


You need to read the documentation for , , and deployment

for the Tomcat version you're using.
It would have been nice to see some real life examples of complete
configurations.

Igal Sapir
Lucee Core Developer
Lucee.org 

On 10/7/2016 12:39 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote:

From: Igal @ Lucee.org [mailto:i...@lucee.org]
Subject: Host appBase vs. Context docBase Suppose that I have an
application at C:\WebApps\App1

Suppose you tell us your Tomcat version.







 

Both of the above are incorrect.  It is highly unlikely that you want the

 name to be App1.  The appBase attribute of  must point to a
directory where one or more webapps are located for automatic deployment.
It must never point to a specific webapp.  The path attribute of the
 element must not be used unless the  element is in
server.xml, which it should not be.  The docBase attribute is used only when
the  element is located in conf/Catalina/[host]/[appName].xml.

You need to read the documentation for , , and deployment

for the Tomcat version you're using.

   - Chuck


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