Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-22 Thread jean-frederic clere

Rainer Jung wrote:

On 16.04.2009 12:44, Mark Thomas wrote:

Gregor Schneider wrote:

- Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices

Any takers for presenting this?


Not sure, whether this is too specific for ApacheCon, but yes, if there
is interest, I could give the talk. I'll submit a proposal and let the
committee decide :)

Concerning the proposal about a joined talk for httpd and mod_jk reverse
proxy solutions: putting all this into one slot will be very dificult.
Then we would need to keep it an overview thing and again people might
not get the answers they are seeking (to many it depends without
really explaining how you decide).

So I prefer to do either a more specific talk (like one on mod_jk), or
we would need two adjacent time slots. The latter gives maybe to much
precious time ressources to this topic.


May be we need a frond-end presentation with more than one speaker (I 
will be happy to make a mod_proxy one.


Cheers

Jean-Frederic



Regards,

Rainer


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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-21 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Mark,

On 4/16/2009 6:51 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
 Mark Thomas wrote:
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+1

Like Ken, I won't be able to attend, but slides would certainly be a
great resource that we can read and send people to read when they come
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RE: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-21 Thread Martin Gainty

when/where?
avialable link(s)?

thanks,
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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-21 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Martin,

On 4/21/2009 1:17 PM, Martin Gainty wrote:
 when/where?

We are talking about a presentation in the future. It might/will be at
the next ApacheCON (in Oakland, CA, USA - Nov 2 to 6 2009). You can read
all about the original request in ... the OP.

 avialable link(s)?

Um http://www.us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/ ?

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RE: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-21 Thread Martin Gainty

will oracle be there?

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  avialable link(s)?
 
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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-21 Thread Ken Bowen

HmmI think this list is getting to be more  more fun:

tr.v.   whiled, whil·ing, whiles
To spend (time) idly or pleasantly: while the hours away.

On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote:


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RE: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-21 Thread Shaun Farrugia
Will these talks be archived for future reference for those of us who can't 
make it :) :)


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HmmI think this list is getting to be more  more fun:

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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-21 Thread Mark Thomas
Shaun Farrugia wrote:
 Will these talks be archived for future reference for those of us who can't 
 make it :) :)

Yes.

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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Gregor Schneider
Hi Mark,

- I think an overview of thenew features of Tomcat 7 would be great

- Fillip did a talk about the new Servlet Specs 3.0

- Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices

- I very much liked the talk becoming a tomcat superuser

Mark, I wrote a mail to Fillip since his presentations of the
ApacheCon EU (Servlet 3.0 etc.) are not available via the
ApacheCon-website, however, seems as if my mail went straight into
Fillip's Spam-folder. Could you maybe ask him if he could provide his
slight from the last ApachCon? And please /not/ on slideshare.net:
1st, I don't like to register there, 2nd, I'd actually like to avoid
installing Flash...

Cheers

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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas wrote:
 Please feel free to pitch in with your suggestions on this thread and
 comment on suggestions made by other people. The more involved the
 community gets, the better the outcome is likely to be.

I was at a conference recently and rather rashly made the statement OOM
PermGen errors on reload are an application issue, not a Tomcat one.
Several people came up to me afterwards with variations on a theme of
Our app has OOM on reload - put your money where your mouth is and show
us where we have gone wrong

Having helped several people track down the causes of these errors (and
yes they were all application issues) it occurred to me that there may
be interest in this at ApacheCon. So my suggestion is:

Title:Resolving OOM-PermGen errors on webapp reload
Type: Session
Abstract: What causes the error. Typical root causes.
  How to find and fix the root causes. With live demo.
Audience: Developer/SysAdmin

Thoughts?

Mark


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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Mark Thomas
Gregor Schneider wrote:
 Hi Mark,
 
 - I think an overview of thenew features of Tomcat 7 would be great
Mladen was talking about presenting a Tomcat community overview I'll
let him give some more details on that.

 - Fillip did a talk about the new Servlet Specs 3.0
I think he included that in the CFP but good to know there is interest :)

 - Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
 the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
Any takers for presenting this?

 - I very much liked the talk becoming a tomcat superuser
It was included in the CFP. Happy to do it again.

 Mark, I wrote a mail to Fillip since his presentations of the
 ApacheCon EU (Servlet 3.0 etc.) are not available via the
 ApacheCon-website, however, seems as if my mail went straight into
 Fillip's Spam-folder. Could you maybe ask him if he could provide his
 slight from the last ApachCon? And please /not/ on slideshare.net:
 1st, I don't like to register there, 2nd, I'd actually like to avoid
 installing Flash...

The conference organisers took copies of our slides and promised us they
would upload them for us. Oh well. I uploaded mine myself. I'll see if
Filip can do the same.

Mark



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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Ken Bowen

+1.
Probably won't be able to attend, but slides would certainly help.

On Apr 16, 2009, at 6:51 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:


Mark Thomas wrote:

Please feel free to pitch in with your suggestions on this thread and
comment on suggestions made by other people. The more involved the
community gets, the better the outcome is likely to be.


I was at a conference recently and rather rashly made the statement  
OOM

PermGen errors on reload are an application issue, not a Tomcat one.
Several people came up to me afterwards with variations on a theme of
Our app has OOM on reload - put your money where your mouth is and  
show

us where we have gone wrong

Having helped several people track down the causes of these errors  
(and

yes they were all application issues) it occurred to me that there may
be interest in this at ApacheCon. So my suggestion is:

Title:Resolving OOM-PermGen errors on webapp reload
Type: Session
Abstract: What causes the error. Typical root causes.
 How to find and fix the root causes. With live demo.
Audience: Developer/SysAdmin

Thoughts?

Mark


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RE: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Peter Crowther
 From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com]
 How about a session like :

 Everything you always wanted to know about connecting Apache
 httpd and Tomcat, but never dared to ask

 To be given jointly by Apache httpd AND Tomcat experts.

 - when do you need to do that, and when do you not really need it

Ye gods.  You'll have a religious war between the presenters!

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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread André Warnier

Mark Thomas wrote:
[...]
How about a session like :

Everything you always wanted to know about connecting Apache httpd and 
Tomcat, but never dared to ask


To be given jointly by Apache httpd AND Tomcat experts.

- when do you need to do that, and when do you not really need it
- assuming you have determined that you need this, what are the 
possibilities and how do they compare

- a word about mod_proxy_http
- a word about mod_proxy_ajp
- a word about mod_jk
- comparison between the above, and when it matters or not
- passing requests from httpd to Tomcat, but with modifications : 
mod_rewrite vs UrlRewriteFilter


Marketing suggestion : have a sale of teeshirts labeled

Tomcat logging

  . rocks (checkbox)
  . sucks (checkbox)


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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Gregor Schneider
Hi André,

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com wrote:
 Mark Thomas wrote:
 [...]
 How about a session like :

 Everything you always wanted to know about connecting Apache httpd and
 Tomcat, but never dared to ask


yepp, and Woody Allen as the presenter ;)

If you can't get Woody, my suggestion would be Rainer.

Cheers

Gregor

PS.: And since I'm almost certainly not be able to attend the
ApacheCon in November, I really hope that some slides will be there...

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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Gregor Schneider
Hi Mark,

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote:

 The conference organisers took copies of our slides and promised us they
 would upload them for us. Oh well. I uploaded mine myself. I'll see if
 Filip can do the same.


well, on some talks the guys having the chair made sure that the
slides went onto a USB-stick which then was passed to the organisators
for being put on the ApacheCon-website.

Fillip actually passed a USB-stick with his slides on among the
attendees, unfortunately that stick never made it to my place.

If you go to the ApacheCon-Website, you'll find quite some session
where it says No material available..

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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Rainer Jung
On 16.04.2009 12:44, Mark Thomas wrote:
 Gregor Schneider wrote:
 - Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
 the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
 Any takers for presenting this?

Not sure, whether this is too specific for ApacheCon, but yes, if there
is interest, I could give the talk. I'll submit a proposal and let the
committee decide :)

Concerning the proposal about a joined talk for httpd and mod_jk reverse
proxy solutions: putting all this into one slot will be very dificult.
Then we would need to keep it an overview thing and again people might
not get the answers they are seeking (to many it depends without
really explaining how you decide).

So I prefer to do either a more specific talk (like one on mod_jk), or
we would need two adjacent time slots. The latter gives maybe to much
precious time ressources to this topic.

Regards,

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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Mark Thomas
Rainer Jung wrote:
 On 16.04.2009 12:44, Mark Thomas wrote:
 Gregor Schneider wrote:
 - Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
 the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
 Any takers for presenting this?
 
 Not sure, whether this is too specific for ApacheCon, but yes, if there
 is interest, I could give the talk. I'll submit a proposal and let the
 committee decide :)
 
 Concerning the proposal about a joined talk for httpd and mod_jk reverse
 proxy solutions: putting all this into one slot will be very dificult.
 Then we would need to keep it an overview thing and again people might
 not get the answers they are seeking (to many it depends without
 really explaining how you decide).
 
 So I prefer to do either a more specific talk (like one on mod_jk), or
 we would need two adjacent time slots. The latter gives maybe to much
 precious time ressources to this topic.

How about a BOF session one evening where we can have more of a discussion?

Mark



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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread André Warnier

Mark Thomas wrote:

Rainer Jung wrote:

On 16.04.2009 12:44, Mark Thomas wrote:

Gregor Schneider wrote:

- Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices

Any takers for presenting this?

Not sure, whether this is too specific for ApacheCon, but yes, if there
is interest, I could give the talk. I'll submit a proposal and let the
committee decide :)

Concerning the proposal about a joined talk for httpd and mod_jk reverse
proxy solutions: putting all this into one slot will be very dificult.
Then we would need to keep it an overview thing and again people might
not get the answers they are seeking (to many it depends without
really explaining how you decide).

So I prefer to do either a more specific talk (like one on mod_jk), or
we would need two adjacent time slots. The latter gives maybe to much
precious time ressources to this topic.


How about a BOF session one evening where we can have more of a discussion?


Hi guys.

I realise that this is a discussion on the Tomcat list, and that the 
subject of ApacheCON presentations was brought up by Mark.
Also, I'm probably not going to personally attend ApacheCON US (a bit 
far and expensive), so my suggestion is purely platonic. (*)


This being said/written, there was a specific reason why I was 
suggesting this topic as both broad, and involving httpd as well as 
Tomcat experts, (and of course connector experts to sit in-between them).
But it may depend on the kind of expected attendees of an ApacheCON US 
conference, of which I have no idea.


The reason for the broadness is as follows :

I believe that there are many more users/sysadmins/integrators of Apache 
httpd and Tomcat, than there are developers in each specific area.
And, going from the users mailing lists of both Apache httpd and Tomcat, 
the first kind of question which the first category has, are broad 
questions of the kind : I would like to set up a configuration such 
that users call up URLs like so and so, and this results in requests 
being forwarded/balanced so an so to 3 backend Tomcat applications with 
URLs like so and so.  What do I need to use for that ?.
And what they are looking for, is some criteria and guidance as to what 
to choose among the different techniques available among the ones that 
exist within the broad Apache (ASF) palette (and maybe even outside of 
it), to get the job done.


Not to say that there would not be a need for some session dedicated to 
 drilling deeper into the pings and pong timeouts of mod_jk per se, but 
it's a different kind of issue, and different kind of presentation than 
what I had in mind.


I attended ApacheCON in Amsterdam, and loved it.  The sessions which I 
attended were extremely interesting and they were of the 
one-intensive-subject kind.  One mildly frustrating aspect however, was 
that often there were several subjects I was interested in, but I could 
not go to all of them because the interesting sessions (for me) were 
often simultaneous.
On the other hand, I was a bit surprised that there were basically no 
sessions (or very few) where several of these ASF tools were presented 
together in combination, as a means to an end.


My proposal was something in that direction. I realise that considering 
the breadth of scope of the ASF projects nowadays, it is not possible to 
 cover them all in one session, never mind finding the universally 
competent speakers.  But the httpd+connector+Tomcat combination seems to 
be an almost ideal case, as it probably also represents 75% of the 
real-world configurations out there.


Maybe a 2-hour session toward the beginning of the conference, to 
provide some general orientation, to be followed later on by sessions 
more dedicated to one aspect, when people see more clearly what they 
want or need.


That wasn't really a 3-sentence summary, was it ?

André

(*) Although if someone suggested that I participate as moderator to the 
session, and offered to pay my travel expenses, I might possibly find a 
slot in my busy schedule.


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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-16 Thread Steve Yates
Mark Thomas wrote:
 Folks,

 The next ApacheCon (in Oakland, CA, USA - Nov 2 to 6 2009) is being
 organised a little differently. Each project is being given the
 opportunity suggest a possible conference track based on that project.

 As part of this process we have a week to put together the outline of a
 plan which we then submit to the conference planners. They will get back
 to us at the end of the month with how our proposal fits into the
 overall plan and give us a further two weeks to firm up the schedule.

 So, at this stage what we need to hear from you, the Tomcat user
 community, is what sort of topics would you like to see covered?
 Remember as well as regular sessions there can also be MeetUps, BOFs,
 symposiums, un-conference style activities, etc.

 Please feel free to pitch in with your suggestions on this thread and
 comment on suggestions made by other people. The more involved the
 community gets, the better the outcome is likely to be.

 Ideally, each idea for a session / BOF / symposium etc would include:
 - Title
 - Type of session
 - Short (sentence or two) abstract
 - Intended audience

 Although the call for papers has closed, there is some flexibility that
 would allow us to include sessions that weren't offered through the call
 for papers. So, if you would like to present on a Tomcat related topic
 then please feel free to offer to do that as well as letting us know
 what types of sessions you would like to attend.

 We only have a week so get your suggestions in quickly.

 Mark


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Just building on the Tomcat Superuser idea. It would be very neat in the
interest of development users and operational staff to have a thorough
grounding in Tomcat related debugging and problem diagnosis.

RGS
Steve


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What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to see at ApacheCon US 2009?

2009-04-15 Thread Mark Thomas
Folks,

The next ApacheCon (in Oakland, CA, USA - Nov 2 to 6 2009) is being
organised a little differently. Each project is being given the
opportunity suggest a possible conference track based on that project.

As part of this process we have a week to put together the outline of a
plan which we then submit to the conference planners. They will get back
to us at the end of the month with how our proposal fits into the
overall plan and give us a further two weeks to firm up the schedule.

So, at this stage what we need to hear from you, the Tomcat user
community, is what sort of topics would you like to see covered?
Remember as well as regular sessions there can also be MeetUps, BOFs,
symposiums, un-conference style activities, etc.

Please feel free to pitch in with your suggestions on this thread and
comment on suggestions made by other people. The more involved the
community gets, the better the outcome is likely to be.

Ideally, each idea for a session / BOF / symposium etc would include:
- Title
- Type of session
- Short (sentence or two) abstract
- Intended audience

Although the call for papers has closed, there is some flexibility that
would allow us to include sessions that weren't offered through the call
for papers. So, if you would like to present on a Tomcat related topic
then please feel free to offer to do that as well as letting us know
what types of sessions you would like to attend.

We only have a week so get your suggestions in quickly.

Mark


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