Re: [WIKI] Websites based on Wicket page presentation
I think it's great the wiki is being given some love; I'm going to look at what's going on and contribute where I can, because I think it's really really (really) important, especially for prospective/new users. Thanks Ralf! Cheers, Erik On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM, jWeekend jweekend_for...@cabouge.com wrote: I've been having some very brief communication with Ralf Eichinger who has been making a valuable contribution over the last few weeks by starting to improve documentation on the Wiki, especially with a view to help people evaluating Wicket get a fairer appreciation of it, who's using it and what they are doing with it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: [WIKI] Websites based on Wicket page presentation
Hi guys, this is Ralf (being the reason for starting this discussion) ;-). Yes, I started to work on the Wiki, not only on the products page, but also adding how to start setting up a development environment. As Cemal said, there is a discussion about sort order in the list. I am ok with providing something sortable, but is it possible in the Confluence Wiki to add jQery and use it for a table? If so, would be very interested how to do this. Quoting Jeremy Thomerson jer...@wickettraining.com: I was thinking the same - just make it a table and use jQuery sortable plugin. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Jonathan Locke jonathan.lo...@gmail.comwrote: shouldn't it be one of igor's famous tables with the sort headers? then we wouldn't need to argue over how to order it. jWeekend wrote: I've been having some very brief communication with Ralf Eichinger who has been making a valuable contribution over the last few weeks by starting to improve documentation on the Wiki, especially with a view to help people evaluating Wicket get a fairer appreciation of it, who's using it and what they are doing with it. Now obviously it is extremely valuable for newcomers to have a page like our Websites based on Wicket [1] to get a feel for who's doing what with Wicket already. And, for apps built on Wicket, like Leg Up and all those other Wicket sites, it is nice to have a central place to put a link on that others may come across and therefore be aware it's out there, and enjoy visiting/using it. It's also encouraging to see this list of apps and sites grows, albeit steadily (I recommend anyone with a public Wicket app to mention it there, it can only do good for all concerned, AFAICS). All the same, there are increasingly more sophisticated and impressive sites highlighting the strength and depth of the community/developers and what magic can be weaved using Wicket (whilst developers amongst us also know that in Wicket such magic is possible at the same time as keeping your application design and code neat, tidy, maintainable and extensible and even rather pleasant to work with). One question that came up is whether the pages listed by URL there should be ordered alphabetically or chronologically. For me, chronological (newest at top, as had been the case originally) makes much more sense because when I look at the site, I can see how things have evolved, quickly identify what's new since I last looked and also answer questions like what were the first public Wicket sites listed here?. This is also a much more robust sorting scheme (people _like_ to add their shiny new apps/sites to the top of the list!) and with no arbitrary rules there's not such a likelihood of breaking the sort order every time anyone adds their site (eg should http://www.eropuit.nl go before or after fabulously40.com), as it was when I went in to add LegUp. Chronological ordering is a scheme that was always quite naturally maintained and therefore required no further maintenance to keep right. What's more, I don't see what the benefit of an artificial sort ordering like alphabetically ordered by URL would be in this context as I doubt anyone looking at the page is not familiar with Ctrl+F if they come looking for some specific page/site/URL. I doubt anyone else has ever been worried about this, but if anyone else has a view on it I'd be pleased to know about it and if there are some good reasons for alphabetically ordering too the list that I have missed I can stop messing up Ralf's order! Regards - Cemal jWeekend OO Java Technologies, Wicket Training and Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-WIKI--%22Websites-based-on-Wicket%22-page-presentation-tp25880274p25884516.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
[WIKI] Websites based on Wicket page presentation
I've been having some very brief communication with Ralf Eichinger who has been making a valuable contribution over the last few weeks by starting to improve documentation on the Wiki, especially with a view to help people evaluating Wicket get a fairer appreciation of it, who's using it and what they are doing with it. Now obviously it is extremely valuable for newcomers to have a page like our Websites based on Wicket [1] to get a feel for who's doing what with Wicket already. And, for apps built on Wicket, like Leg Up and all those other Wicket sites, it is nice to have a central place to put a link on that others may come across and therefore be aware it's out there, and enjoy visiting/using it. It's also encouraging to see this list of apps and sites grows, albeit steadily (I recommend anyone with a public Wicket app to mention it there, it can only do good for all concerned, AFAICS). All the same, there are increasingly more sophisticated and impressive sites highlighting the strength and depth of the community/developers and what magic can be weaved using Wicket (whilst developers amongst us also know that in Wicket such magic is possible at the same time as keeping your application design and code neat, tidy, maintainable and extensible and even rather pleasant to work with). One question that came up is whether the pages listed by URL there should be ordered alphabetically or chronologically. For me, chronological (newest at top, as had been the case originally) makes much more sense because when I look at the site, I can see how things have evolved, quickly identify what's new since I last looked and also answer questions like what were the first public Wicket sites listed here?. This is also a much more robust sorting scheme (people _like_ to add their shiny new apps/sites to the top of the list!) and with no arbitrary rules there's not such a likelihood of breaking the sort order every time anyone adds their site (eg should http://www.eropuit.nl go before or after fabulously40.com), as it was when I went in to add LegUp. Chronological ordering is a scheme that was always quite naturally maintained and therefore required no further maintenance to keep right. What's more, I don't see what the benefit of an artificial sort ordering like alphabetically ordered by URL would be in this context as I doubt anyone looking at the page is not familiar with Ctrl+F if they come looking for some specific page/site/URL. I doubt anyone else has ever been worried about this, but if anyone else has a view on it I'd be pleased to know about it and if there are some good reasons for alphabetically ordering too the list that I have missed I can stop messing up Ralf's order! Regards - Cemal jWeekend OO Java Technologies, Wicket Training and Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: [WIKI] Websites based on Wicket page presentation
Chronological, newest at the top seems the best choice, but there is a subtle difference in whether you consider the launch date of the site, or the date in which the site was added to your catalog of Wicket sites. Date of adding is better so you know what sites you haven't looked at yet, and should be the default IMHO, but having a choice of sorting by launch date would be nice also. Cheers, Daniel jWeekend wrote: . One question that came up is whether the pages listed by URL there should be ordered alphabetically or chronologically. For me, chronological (newest at top, as had been the case originally) makes much more sense because when I look at the site, I can see how things have evolved, quickly identify what's new since I last looked and also answer questions like what were the first public Wicket sites listed here?. This is also a much more robust sorting scheme . I doubt anyone else has ever been worried about this, but if anyone else has a view on it I'd be pleased to know about it and if there are some good reasons for alphabetically ordering too the list that I have missed I can stop messing up Ralf's order! Regards - Cemal jWeekend OO Java Technologies, Wicket Training and Development http://jWeekend.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-WIKI--%22Websites-based-on-Wicket%22-page-presentation-tp25880274p25880736.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: [WIKI] Websites based on Wicket page presentation
shouldn't it be one of igor's famous tables with the sort headers? then we wouldn't need to argue over how to order it. jWeekend wrote: I've been having some very brief communication with Ralf Eichinger who has been making a valuable contribution over the last few weeks by starting to improve documentation on the Wiki, especially with a view to help people evaluating Wicket get a fairer appreciation of it, who's using it and what they are doing with it. Now obviously it is extremely valuable for newcomers to have a page like our Websites based on Wicket [1] to get a feel for who's doing what with Wicket already. And, for apps built on Wicket, like Leg Up and all those other Wicket sites, it is nice to have a central place to put a link on that others may come across and therefore be aware it's out there, and enjoy visiting/using it. It's also encouraging to see this list of apps and sites grows, albeit steadily (I recommend anyone with a public Wicket app to mention it there, it can only do good for all concerned, AFAICS). All the same, there are increasingly more sophisticated and impressive sites highlighting the strength and depth of the community/developers and what magic can be weaved using Wicket (whilst developers amongst us also know that in Wicket such magic is possible at the same time as keeping your application design and code neat, tidy, maintainable and extensible and even rather pleasant to work with). One question that came up is whether the pages listed by URL there should be ordered alphabetically or chronologically. For me, chronological (newest at top, as had been the case originally) makes much more sense because when I look at the site, I can see how things have evolved, quickly identify what's new since I last looked and also answer questions like what were the first public Wicket sites listed here?. This is also a much more robust sorting scheme (people _like_ to add their shiny new apps/sites to the top of the list!) and with no arbitrary rules there's not such a likelihood of breaking the sort order every time anyone adds their site (eg should http://www.eropuit.nl go before or after fabulously40.com), as it was when I went in to add LegUp. Chronological ordering is a scheme that was always quite naturally maintained and therefore required no further maintenance to keep right. What's more, I don't see what the benefit of an artificial sort ordering like alphabetically ordered by URL would be in this context as I doubt anyone looking at the page is not familiar with Ctrl+F if they come looking for some specific page/site/URL. I doubt anyone else has ever been worried about this, but if anyone else has a view on it I'd be pleased to know about it and if there are some good reasons for alphabetically ordering too the list that I have missed I can stop messing up Ralf's order! Regards - Cemal jWeekend OO Java Technologies, Wicket Training and Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-WIKI--%22Websites-based-on-Wicket%22-page-presentation-tp25880274p25884516.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: [WIKI] Websites based on Wicket page presentation
I was thinking the same - just make it a table and use jQuery sortable plugin. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Jonathan Locke jonathan.lo...@gmail.comwrote: shouldn't it be one of igor's famous tables with the sort headers? then we wouldn't need to argue over how to order it. jWeekend wrote: I've been having some very brief communication with Ralf Eichinger who has been making a valuable contribution over the last few weeks by starting to improve documentation on the Wiki, especially with a view to help people evaluating Wicket get a fairer appreciation of it, who's using it and what they are doing with it. Now obviously it is extremely valuable for newcomers to have a page like our Websites based on Wicket [1] to get a feel for who's doing what with Wicket already. And, for apps built on Wicket, like Leg Up and all those other Wicket sites, it is nice to have a central place to put a link on that others may come across and therefore be aware it's out there, and enjoy visiting/using it. It's also encouraging to see this list of apps and sites grows, albeit steadily (I recommend anyone with a public Wicket app to mention it there, it can only do good for all concerned, AFAICS). All the same, there are increasingly more sophisticated and impressive sites highlighting the strength and depth of the community/developers and what magic can be weaved using Wicket (whilst developers amongst us also know that in Wicket such magic is possible at the same time as keeping your application design and code neat, tidy, maintainable and extensible and even rather pleasant to work with). One question that came up is whether the pages listed by URL there should be ordered alphabetically or chronologically. For me, chronological (newest at top, as had been the case originally) makes much more sense because when I look at the site, I can see how things have evolved, quickly identify what's new since I last looked and also answer questions like what were the first public Wicket sites listed here?. This is also a much more robust sorting scheme (people _like_ to add their shiny new apps/sites to the top of the list!) and with no arbitrary rules there's not such a likelihood of breaking the sort order every time anyone adds their site (eg should http://www.eropuit.nl go before or after fabulously40.com), as it was when I went in to add LegUp. Chronological ordering is a scheme that was always quite naturally maintained and therefore required no further maintenance to keep right. What's more, I don't see what the benefit of an artificial sort ordering like alphabetically ordered by URL would be in this context as I doubt anyone looking at the page is not familiar with Ctrl+F if they come looking for some specific page/site/URL. I doubt anyone else has ever been worried about this, but if anyone else has a view on it I'd be pleased to know about it and if there are some good reasons for alphabetically ordering too the list that I have missed I can stop messing up Ralf's order! Regards - Cemal jWeekend OO Java Technologies, Wicket Training and Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-WIKI--%22Websites-based-on-Wicket%22-page-presentation-tp25880274p25884516.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
