Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
That's why I don't like a statement like "UI programming on client-side with Java". You are just giving the impression of programming your GUI in Java, but in the end is a lot of JavaScript, and this doesn't help code maintenance as pointed out by Eelco . I know that GWT is good at "mimicking" desktop style but you can do it also with Wicket with the right components. Ugh, I mean 'just do that in JavaScript' On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Eelco Hillenius wrote: To be honest, I don't think the comparison matrix is that bad. I would consider a framework like Vaadin over Wicket if all I wanted a typical desktop style only (menu bar, content frames + layout manager, fancy widgets) only type of application, what they call "application oriented", especially if it would benefit a lot from client-side UI management. Or just do that in Java. I can tell you from experience that developing (and e.g. debugging!) with GWT is painful on many different levels. I like how Vaadin markets itself, what it's goals are etc, but I can't imagine not stumbling into the same kind of hassle that comes with developing with GWT. Might even make it worse, as it's yet another abstraction over it. My2c, Eelco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Ugh, I mean 'just do that in JavaScript' On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Eelco Hillenius wrote: >> To be honest, I don't think the comparison matrix is that bad. I would >> consider a framework like Vaadin over Wicket if all I wanted a typical >> desktop style only (menu bar, content frames + layout manager, fancy >> widgets) only type of application, what they call "application >> oriented", especially if it would benefit a lot from client-side UI >> management. > > Or just do that in Java. I can tell you from experience that > developing (and e.g. debugging!) with GWT is painful on many different > levels. I like how Vaadin markets itself, what it's goals are etc, but > I can't imagine not stumbling into the same kind of hassle that comes > with developing with GWT. Might even make it worse, as it's yet > another abstraction over it. > > My2c, > > Eelco > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
> To be honest, I don't think the comparison matrix is that bad. I would > consider a framework like Vaadin over Wicket if all I wanted a typical > desktop style only (menu bar, content frames + layout manager, fancy > widgets) only type of application, what they call "application > oriented", especially if it would benefit a lot from client-side UI > management. Or just do that in Java. I can tell you from experience that developing (and e.g. debugging!) with GWT is painful on many different levels. I like how Vaadin markets itself, what it's goals are etc, but I can't imagine not stumbling into the same kind of hassle that comes with developing with GWT. Might even make it worse, as it's yet another abstraction over it. My2c, Eelco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
If only I could inject a "window.close();" on that post! :) Being un-biased and logically trying to break it down ..., I think people have to differentiate between "FRAMEWORKS" and "FRAMEWORKS + FLUFF". E.g.: Their criteria "Three stars means a fully-fledged plug-in with advanced specialized features like WYSIWYG editing." ... I just implemented a Wicket Integration of CKEditor, with AJAX on the CkEditor buttons, connecting directly to my service layer. = " FLUFF " Wicket provides very neat Ajax support for developers to do stuff with it. Also overall, I've been pretty miffed with the Java Community for masturbating over frameworks* while PHP has heavy weights like Drupal and Joomla that steal the show. .I've found Wicket to be a good ally in creating better sites faster, cheaper and more maintainable than any PHP competitor or any Java framework + CMS solution. * = http://www.mail-archive.com/users@wicket.apache.org/msg55584.html - Software documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is still better than nothing! -- View this message in context: http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3942997.html Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
the fact that the so called "comparison" is hosted at vaadin.com reduces the amount of usefulness significantly for me… :-) Am 26.10.2011 um 20:02 schrieb shetc: > https://vaadin.com/comparison
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
That's actually accurate, as Martin already explained, Wicket has no provisions for client side Java based programming. To be honest, I don't think the comparison matrix is that bad. I would consider a framework like Vaadin over Wicket if all I wanted a typical desktop style only (menu bar, content frames + layout manager, fancy widgets) only type of application, what they call "application oriented", especially if it would benefit a lot from client-side UI management. On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:18 PM, "Andrea Del Bene" wrote: > That's right but why they didn't include Java among languages you can > use to program on client side with Wicket. It's a mystery! > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Andrea Del Bene > > wrote: > >> You missed the funniest row: "UI programming on client-side". What does it > >> mean "Java, Javascript" for GWT and Vaadin and just "Javascript" for > >> Wicket? > >> Does it mean that GWT and Vaadin run bytecode inside browser? Did they > >> (re)invented applets :)? > > They (actually GWT, Vaadin is reusing it) compile Java to JavaScript. > > I.e the developer writes only Java and the framework does the rest. > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
That's right but why they didn't include Java among languages you can use to program on client side with Wicket. It's a mystery! On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Andrea Del Bene wrote: You missed the funniest row: "UI programming on client-side". What does it mean "Java, Javascript" for GWT and Vaadin and just "Javascript" for Wicket? Does it mean that GWT and Vaadin run bytecode inside browser? Did they (re)invented applets :)? They (actually GWT, Vaadin is reusing it) compile Java to JavaScript. I.e the developer writes only Java and the framework does the rest. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Andrea Del Bene wrote: > You missed the funniest row: "UI programming on client-side". What does it > mean "Java, Javascript" for GWT and Vaadin and just "Javascript" for Wicket? > Does it mean that GWT and Vaadin run bytecode inside browser? Did they > (re)invented applets :)? They (actually GWT, Vaadin is reusing it) compile Java to JavaScript. I.e the developer writes only Java and the framework does the rest. >> >> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what >> else are the done in? >> >> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page >> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your >> app... >> >> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont >> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some >> very minor things. >> >> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they >> saying there are zero addons available to download? >> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons >> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other >> libraries published by people. >> >> my two cents. >> >> -igor >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc wrote: >>> >>> https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison >>> matrix >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3941573.html >>> Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>> >>> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > -- Martin Grigorov jWeekend Training, Consulting, Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
You missed the funniest row: "UI programming on client-side". What does it mean "Java, Javascript" for GWT and Vaadin and just "Javascript" for Wicket? Does it mean that GWT and Vaadin run bytecode inside browser? Did they (re)invented applets :)? missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what else are the done in? missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your app... not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some very minor things. why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they saying there are zero addons available to download? https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other libraries published by people. my two cents. -igor On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc wrote: https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix -- View this message in context: http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3941573.html Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:29 PM, wrote: > I do think it would be extremely. Helpful if there was a plugi n to generate > html from wicket code or I'm not aware of it. There is a plugin that gives me > the option "generate wicket form code" but it never worked. Its not a show > stopper by any means though. I'm not sure that it is extremely useful. You will generate that html once per form and from there on you will have to manually tweak the html/css and to be careful to not run the html generator again because it will override the nice UI (html/css) that you tweaked the last N working days. > -Original Message- > From: Martin Grigorov > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:42:15 > To: > Reply-To: users@wicket.apache.org > Subject: Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket > > After the inconsistencies mentioned by Igor and the fact: "Backed up > by a corporation" - nothing in Wicket column > I still think we are doing fine :-) > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Josh Kamau wrote: >> Looks like crap to me.. >> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Vaynberg >> wrote: >> >>> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what >>> else are the done in? >>> >>> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page >>> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your >>> app... >>> >>> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont >>> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some >>> very minor things. >>> >>> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they >>> saying there are zero addons available to download? >>> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons >>> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other >>> libraries published by people. >>> >>> my two cents. >>> >>> -igor >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc wrote: >>> > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison >>> matrix >>> > >>> > -- >>> > View this message in context: >>> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3941573.html >>> > Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> > >>> > - >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>> > >>> > >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Martin Grigorov > jWeekend > Training, Consulting, Development > http://jWeekend.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > -- Martin Grigorov jWeekend Training, Consulting, Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
I do think it would be extremely. Helpful if there was a plugi n to generate html from wicket code or I'm not aware of it. There is a plugin that gives me the option "generate wicket form code" but it never worked. Its not a show stopper by any means though. -Original Message- From: Martin Grigorov Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:42:15 To: Reply-To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket After the inconsistencies mentioned by Igor and the fact: "Backed up by a corporation" - nothing in Wicket column I still think we are doing fine :-) On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Josh Kamau wrote: > Looks like crap to me.. > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Vaynberg wrote: > >> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what >> else are the done in? >> >> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page >> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your >> app... >> >> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont >> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some >> very minor things. >> >> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they >> saying there are zero addons available to download? >> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons >> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other >> libraries published by people. >> >> my two cents. >> >> -igor >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc wrote: >> > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison >> matrix >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3941573.html >> > Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > -- Martin Grigorov jWeekend Training, Consulting, Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
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I forgot the link to the https://vaadin.com/blog/-/blogs/new-comparison-matrix associated blog . -- View this message in context: http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3941844.html Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
After the inconsistencies mentioned by Igor and the fact: "Backed up by a corporation" - nothing in Wicket column I still think we are doing fine :-) On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Josh Kamau wrote: > Looks like crap to me.. > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Vaynberg wrote: > >> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what >> else are the done in? >> >> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page >> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your >> app... >> >> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont >> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some >> very minor things. >> >> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they >> saying there are zero addons available to download? >> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons >> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other >> libraries published by people. >> >> my two cents. >> >> -igor >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc wrote: >> > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison >> matrix >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3941573.html >> > Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> >> > -- Martin Grigorov jWeekend Training, Consulting, Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Looks like crap to me.. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Vaynberg wrote: > missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what > else are the done in? > > missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page > and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your > app... > > not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont > need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some > very minor things. > > why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they > saying there are zero addons available to download? > https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons > downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other > libraries published by people. > > my two cents. > > -igor > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc wrote: > > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison > matrix > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3941573.html > > Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >
Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what else are the done in? missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your app... not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some very minor things. why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they saying there are zero addons available to download? https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other libraries published by people. my two cents. -igor On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc wrote: > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix > > -- > View this message in context: > http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/An-extensive-RIA-technology-comparison-matrix-including-Wicket-tp3941573p3941573.html > Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
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