Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-19 Thread Juha Palomäki
If you want to avoid mixing HTML and Java, you could write your
component with using a templating engine, such as Velocity or
Freemarker.

I believe there is wicket-velocity project somewhere that provides for
example Panels that can render Velocity templates files.

br, Juha

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:22 AM,  d...@agentlab.de wrote:
 Hi,

 Igor Vaynberg wrote:

 i would imagine you would have the same problem even in a local
 environment such as swing...

 absolutely, I was just wondering what would be the best way to do it in
 Wicket...

 the solution is quiet simple, instead of using wicket components to
 model the table and the cell simply use a single component that writes
 out html for the entire table.

 That's the solution a friend of mine suggested as well since he had similar
 problems in ZK. I was reluctant since writing out HTML felt somewhat
 un-wicket-ish. But I think that's the way to go for this kind of
 situation...

 Thanks everybody for your suggestions and comments.

 J.



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Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread dev

Hi,

I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my current
project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows and 
columns
(not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML table 
where
each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the production
environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that we have 
roughly
25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering process 
for the
component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7 seconds and, 
for
some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration machine 
(IBM
server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive approach 
of
using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb? What 
would be
the alternatives?

Thanks for any help,

J.





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RE: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread Josh Chappelle
Could you use a PageableListView or does that not fall within your business
requirements?

Josh

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From: d...@agentlab.de [mailto:d...@agentlab.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:08 PM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Large number components and redering time

Hi,

I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
current
project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows and
columns
(not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
table where
each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the production
environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that we
have roughly
25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
process for the
component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7 seconds
and, for
some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
machine (IBM
server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
approach of
using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb? What
would be
the alternatives?

Thanks for any help,

J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread Martin Makundi
Hi!

Did you jprofile where the time is spent?

**
Martin

2010/2/17  d...@agentlab.de:
 Hi,

 I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
 current
 project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows and
 columns
 (not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
 table where
 each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the production
 environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that we
 have roughly
 25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
 process for the
 component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7 seconds
 and, for
 some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
 machine (IBM
 server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

 Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
 approach of
 using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb? What
 would be
 the alternatives?

 Thanks for any help,

 J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread dev

Surely a change in the use case would ease our lives, unfortunately we are
migrating a legacy application to a new technology and the look and feel (if
you could call it that) must be retained...

J,

Josh Chappelle wrote:

Could you use a PageableListView or does that not fall within your business
requirements?

Josh

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From: d...@agentlab.de [mailto:d...@agentlab.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:08 PM

To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Large number components and redering time

Hi,

I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
current
project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows and
columns
(not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
table where
each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the production
environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that we
have roughly
25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
process for the
component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7 seconds
and, for
some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
machine (IBM
server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
approach of
using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb? What
would be
the alternatives?

Thanks for any help,

J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread Ilja Pavkovic
please don't tell me that there is any person around that needs 25k elements 
per page...

this is a fault in the specification of the former system also :)


Am Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2010 19:30:29 schrieb d...@agentlab.de:
 Surely a change in the use case would ease our lives, unfortunately we are
 migrating a legacy application to a new technology and the look and feel
 (if you could call it that) must be retained...
 
 J,
 
 Josh Chappelle wrote:
  Could you use a PageableListView or does that not fall within your
  business requirements?
  
  Josh
  
  -Original Message-
  From: d...@agentlab.de [mailto:d...@agentlab.de]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:08 PM
  To: users@wicket.apache.org
  Subject: Large number components and redering time
  
  Hi,
  
  I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
  current
  project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows
  and columns
  (not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
  table where
  each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the
  production environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large
  such that we have roughly
  25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
  process for the
  component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7
  seconds and, for
  some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
  machine (IBM
  server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.
  
  Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
  approach of
  using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb?
  What would be
  the alternatives?
  
  Thanks for any help,
  
  J.
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread dev

I set up a WicketTester Testcase and used Eclipse TPTP to look into the
app. Over 90% were spent in beforeRender calls... However, since the load
that was produced by running the testcase within a monitored environment
brought my computer to its knees, I will have to dwell deeper into the
problem using other tools than eclipse TPTP...

J.

Martin Makundi wrote:

Hi!

Did you jprofile where the time is spent?

**
Martin

2010/2/17  d...@agentlab.de:

Hi,

I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
current
project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows and
columns
(not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
table where
each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the production
environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that we
have roughly
25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
process for the
component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7 seconds
and, for
some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
machine (IBM
server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
approach of
using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb? What
would be
the alternatives?

Thanks for any help,

J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread Scott Swank
How long does it take to pull up the static html in your browser?
Just the browser render can be non-trivial for a large enough file.

Are you using arrays instead of collections and (where possible)
primatives instead of objects?  An int[100,250] is much smaller than a
comparably scaled ListListInteger.

Scott


On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:30 AM,  d...@agentlab.de wrote:
 Surely a change in the use case would ease our lives, unfortunately we are
 migrating a legacy application to a new technology and the look and feel (if
 you could call it that) must be retained...

 J,

 Josh Chappelle wrote:

 Could you use a PageableListView or does that not fall within your
 business
 requirements?

 Josh

 -Original Message-
 From: d...@agentlab.de [mailto:d...@agentlab.de] Sent: Wednesday, February
 17, 2010 12:08 PM
 To: users@wicket.apache.org
 Subject: Large number components and redering time

 Hi,

 I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
 current
 project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows
 and
 columns
 (not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
 table where
 each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the
 production
 environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that we
 have roughly
 25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
 process for the
 component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7 seconds
 and, for
 some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
 machine (IBM
 server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

 Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
 approach of
 using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb?
 What
 would be
 the alternatives?

 Thanks for any help,

 J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread dev

Granted, it is not very readable and we are investigating ways in re-defining
the requirements. But as of now, the requirements stand as they are... and I 
have
to find a way of meeting them...

J.

Ilja Pavkovic wrote:
please don't tell me that there is any person around that needs 25k elements 
per page...


this is a fault in the specification of the former system also :)


Am Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2010 19:30:29 schrieb d...@agentlab.de:

Surely a change in the use case would ease our lives, unfortunately we are
migrating a legacy application to a new technology and the look and feel
(if you could call it that) must be retained...

J,

Josh Chappelle wrote:

Could you use a PageableListView or does that not fall within your
business requirements?

Josh

-Original Message-
From: d...@agentlab.de [mailto:d...@agentlab.de]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:08 PM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Large number components and redering time

Hi,

I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
current
project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows
and columns
(not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
table where
each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the
production environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large
such that we have roughly
25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
process for the
component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7
seconds and, for
some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
machine (IBM
server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
approach of
using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb?
What would be
the alternatives?

Thanks for any help,

J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread dev

The amount of data that is generated is aroung 1MB so the time to bring it to
the browser is not the problem (in a LAN setting). Also, Firebug does not give 
me
any sign of rendering problems in the browser. Also, the large amount of time is
also consumed in a WicketTester set-up without network or browser...

The datastructures are lists but measuring the time for pulling the data from 
the DB
and building the component tree shows no signs of performance issues. The 
problem does
not occur before the actual rendering within wicket...

J.


Scott Swank wrote:

How long does it take to pull up the static html in your browser?
Just the browser render can be non-trivial for a large enough file.

Are you using arrays instead of collections and (where possible)
primatives instead of objects?  An int[100,250] is much smaller than a
comparably scaled ListListInteger.

Scott


On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:30 AM,  d...@agentlab.de wrote:

Surely a change in the use case would ease our lives, unfortunately we are
migrating a legacy application to a new technology and the look and feel (if
you could call it that) must be retained...

J,

Josh Chappelle wrote:

Could you use a PageableListView or does that not fall within your
business
requirements?

Josh

-Original Message-
From: d...@agentlab.de [mailto:d...@agentlab.de] Sent: Wednesday, February
17, 2010 12:08 PM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Large number components and redering time

Hi,

I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
current
project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows
and
columns
(not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
table where
each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the
production
environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that we
have roughly
25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
process for the
component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7 seconds
and, for
some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
machine (IBM
server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
approach of
using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb?
What
would be
the alternatives?

Thanks for any help,

J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread Igor Vaynberg
i would imagine you would have the same problem even in a local
environment such as swing...

the solution is quiet simple, instead of using wicket components to
model the table and the cell simply use a single component that writes
out html for the entire table.

-igor

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:08 AM,  d...@agentlab.de wrote:
 Hi,

 I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
 current
 project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows and
 columns
 (not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an HTML
 table where
 each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the production
 environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that we
 have roughly
 25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
 process for the
 component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7 seconds
 and, for
 some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
 machine (IBM
 server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

 Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
 approach of
 using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb? What
 would be
 the alternatives?

 Thanks for any help,

 J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread Martin Makundi
And loadabledetachablemodels are in place?

**
Martin

2010/2/17  d...@agentlab.de:
 The amount of data that is generated is aroung 1MB so the time to bring it
 to
 the browser is not the problem (in a LAN setting). Also, Firebug does not
 give me
 any sign of rendering problems in the browser. Also, the large amount of
 time is
 also consumed in a WicketTester set-up without network or browser...

 The datastructures are lists but measuring the time for pulling the data
 from the DB
 and building the component tree shows no signs of performance issues. The
 problem does
 not occur before the actual rendering within wicket...

 J.


 Scott Swank wrote:

 How long does it take to pull up the static html in your browser?
 Just the browser render can be non-trivial for a large enough file.

 Are you using arrays instead of collections and (where possible)
 primatives instead of objects?  An int[100,250] is much smaller than a
 comparably scaled ListListInteger.

 Scott


 On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:30 AM,  d...@agentlab.de wrote:

 Surely a change in the use case would ease our lives, unfortunately we
 are
 migrating a legacy application to a new technology and the look and feel
 (if
 you could call it that) must be retained...

 J,

 Josh Chappelle wrote:

 Could you use a PageableListView or does that not fall within your
 business
 requirements?

 Josh

 -Original Message-
 From: d...@agentlab.de [mailto:d...@agentlab.de] Sent: Wednesday, February
 17, 2010 12:08 PM
 To: users@wicket.apache.org
 Subject: Large number components and redering time

 Hi,

 I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
 current
 project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows
 and
 columns
 (not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an
 HTML
 table where
 each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the
 production
 environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that
 we
 have roughly
 25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
 process for the
 component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7
 seconds
 and, for
 some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
 machine (IBM
 server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

 Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
 approach of
 using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb?
 What
 would be
 the alternatives?

 Thanks for any help,

 J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread James Carman
We had some troubles like this in the past.  It turned out that the
Ajax links that were in the cells were troublesome, I believe.  Search
the archives.  Someone gave me some code to fix it, but I don't have
it handy right now (or I don't know how to find it if I do).

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM,  d...@agentlab.de wrote:
 The amount of data that is generated is aroung 1MB so the time to bring it
 to
 the browser is not the problem (in a LAN setting). Also, Firebug does not
 give me
 any sign of rendering problems in the browser. Also, the large amount of
 time is
 also consumed in a WicketTester set-up without network or browser...

 The datastructures are lists but measuring the time for pulling the data
 from the DB
 and building the component tree shows no signs of performance issues. The
 problem does
 not occur before the actual rendering within wicket...

 J.


 Scott Swank wrote:

 How long does it take to pull up the static html in your browser?
 Just the browser render can be non-trivial for a large enough file.

 Are you using arrays instead of collections and (where possible)
 primatives instead of objects?  An int[100,250] is much smaller than a
 comparably scaled ListListInteger.

 Scott


 On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:30 AM,  d...@agentlab.de wrote:

 Surely a change in the use case would ease our lives, unfortunately we
 are
 migrating a legacy application to a new technology and the look and feel
 (if
 you could call it that) must be retained...

 J,

 Josh Chappelle wrote:

 Could you use a PageableListView or does that not fall within your
 business
 requirements?

 Josh

 -Original Message-
 From: d...@agentlab.de [mailto:d...@agentlab.de] Sent: Wednesday, February
 17, 2010 12:08 PM
 To: users@wicket.apache.org
 Subject: Large number components and redering time

 Hi,

 I have a question on how to address a certain problem that arose in my
 current
 project: we have a two-dimensional array with a variable number of rows
 and
 columns
 (not exactly rocket science, I know) that needs to be rendered in an
 HTML
 table where
 each cell is currently represented by a wicket-Label. Now, in the
 production
 environment, the number of rows and columns gets quite large such that
 we
 have roughly
 25.000 cells to render. This yields to the effect, that the rendering
 process for the
 component tree takes a lot of time: on my windows machine approx 7
 seconds
 and, for
 some reason we have not found out about until now, on the integration
 machine (IBM
 server) around 45 seconds. Clearly, this is not acceptable.

 Now, my question is, how should we address this problem? Is the naive
 approach of
 using two nested ListViews and rendering each as component plain dumb?
 What
 would be
 the alternatives?

 Thanks for any help,

 J.





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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread bht
Swing uses a variety of TableCellRenderer on a per table instance
basis. What component are you suggesting to use for this behavior in
Wicket?

Bernard

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:04:09 -0800, you wrote:

i would imagine you would have the same problem even in a local
environment such as swing...

the solution is quiet simple, instead of using wicket components to
model the table and the cell simply use a single component that writes
out html for the entire table.

-igor


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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM,  b...@actrix.gen.nz wrote:
 Swing uses a variety of TableCellRenderer on a per table instance
 basis.

if you had a table cell that needed a button then you wouldnt use a renderer

 What component are you suggesting to use for this behavior in
 Wicket?

a simple WebComponent that writes the table as an html string to the response.

-igor


 Bernard

 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:04:09 -0800, you wrote:

i would imagine you would have the same problem even in a local
environment such as swing...

the solution is quiet simple, instead of using wicket components to
model the table and the cell simply use a single component that writes
out html for the entire table.

-igor


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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread bht
In case of repeated buttons I think I would use a combination of a
TableCellEditor and a TableCellRenderer with a button behind them,
still only single instances serving many rows. There would only be a
single event listener that would check selected row index. Would it
make sense to have that in Wicket in the future? Might save a lot of
memory.

If on the other hand this button would be only needed on specific
cells, not the pure repeater scenario, then of course one would use
simple button instances per cell as there would not be a significant
memory saving.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:37:01 -0800, you wrote:

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM,  b...@actrix.gen.nz wrote:
 Swing uses a variety of TableCellRenderer on a per table instance
 basis.

if you had a table cell that needed a button then you wouldnt use a 
renderer
[snip]

-igor


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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread Igor Vaynberg
we already provide support for all this...

class cheaprenderer implements ilinklistener {

  protected void oncomponenttagbody(...) {
...
getresponse.write(href=\);
getresponsr.write(urlfor(this, ilinklistener.interface)+x=+x+y=+y));

  }

  public final void onclick() {
onclick(getrequest().getparameter(x), getrequest().getparameter(y));
  }

  protected abstract void onclick(int x, int y) ;
}

-igor

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:03 PM,  b...@actrix.gen.nz wrote:
 In case of repeated buttons I think I would use a combination of a
 TableCellEditor and a TableCellRenderer with a button behind them,
 still only single instances serving many rows. There would only be a
 single event listener that would check selected row index. Would it
 make sense to have that in Wicket in the future? Might save a lot of
 memory.

 If on the other hand this button would be only needed on specific
 cells, not the pure repeater scenario, then of course one would use
 simple button instances per cell as there would not be a significant
 memory saving.

 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:37:01 -0800, you wrote:

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM,  b...@actrix.gen.nz wrote:
 Swing uses a variety of TableCellRenderer on a per table instance
 basis.

if you had a table cell that needed a button then you wouldnt use a 
renderer
 [snip]

-igor


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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread bht
Many thanks. I like it. Good when memory is expensive :)

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:21:16 -0800, you wrote:

we already provide support for all this...

class cheaprenderer implements ilinklistener {

  protected void oncomponenttagbody(...) {
...
getresponse.write(href=\);
getresponsr.write(urlfor(this, ilinklistener.interface)+x=+x+y=+y));

  }

  public final void onclick() {
onclick(getrequest().getparameter(x), getrequest().getparameter(y));
  }

  protected abstract void onclick(int x, int y) ;
}

-igor
[snip]

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Re: Large number components and redering time

2010-02-17 Thread dev

Hi,

Igor Vaynberg wrote:

i would imagine you would have the same problem even in a local
environment such as swing...


absolutely, I was just wondering what would be the best way to do it in
Wicket...


the solution is quiet simple, instead of using wicket components to
model the table and the cell simply use a single component that writes
out html for the entire table.


That's the solution a friend of mine suggested as well since he had similar
problems in ZK. I was reluctant since writing out HTML felt somewhat
un-wicket-ish. But I think that's the way to go for this kind of situation...

Thanks everybody for your suggestions and comments.

J.



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