Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> Obviously lots of pros and cons for both that have not been mentioned so > far. Yup, lots of those. Another one is that GWT works with layout managers and Wicket directly with HTML. Anyway, I think there are other threads in the archives that do a more complete comparison. Eelco --

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Sam Hough
Is the browser not a client in Wicket? You have to slice things differently. I agree that using GWT will mean more thought has to go into interaction with the middle tier but that just means some of your code stays on the server in some simple facade. It wouldn't be one of my worries in using GW

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Igor Vaynberg
how about another tiny limitation which is the programming model. gwt is essentially client+server so you cannot use hibernate lazy loading, you cannot use data locality to your advantage either. you have to serialize all your data so you can only use simple objects to communicate between your serv

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Sam Hough
Another big GWT limitation is that you have a very small subset of java runtime to write your UI in. Lots of your favourite things are probably missing. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Questions-about-GWT%2C-JSF-and-Wicket-tf4514338.html#a12879789 Sent from the Wicket - Us

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Sam Hough
One of the requirements here is to support old browsers and browsers with JS disabled... I'd have liked to have a go at using the gwt html project even though it is very, very new but that was seen as way too scary. John Krasnay wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 03:07:21AM -0700, Sam Hough

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread John Krasnay
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 03:07:21AM -0700, Sam Hough wrote: > > Taking as a basic assumption that the reason we want GWT or Wicket is to do > almost all our logic in Java and Wicket is in full Ajax mode: > > 1) In GWT a lot of the UI logic can be moved to the client. e.g. If a user > changes focus

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Sam Hough
Taking as a basic assumption that the reason we want GWT or Wicket is to do almost all our logic in Java and Wicket is in full Ajax mode: 1) In GWT a lot of the UI logic can be moved to the client. e.g. If a user changes focus GWT can call event handlers, authored in Java, that update the UI with

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 9/25/07, Sam Hough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You will get a much more responsive application with GWT than you will ever > get with > Wicket. Care to elaborate on that please? As far as I know, GWT uses HTTP, just as Wicket. I *REALLY* don't see how that gives GWT an advantage in responsive

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Sam Hough
I wouldn't go for Wicket _and_ GWT. The server side could stay the same with GWT. The big change would be that GWT would make remote calls to it... If you need to support low end browsers then go for Wicket. If you don't go for GWT. Apart from no-javascript support the only other big problem is

Re: Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread David Bernard
Hi, A list of url, that could help you... About Wicket vs JSF, there is some articles : * http://ptrthomas.wordpress.com/2007/05/14/a-wicket-user-tries-jsf/ (from the author of JTrac) * a list of articles : http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/articles-about-wicket.html About widgets : * take a look

Questions about GWT, JSF and Wicket

2007-09-25 Thread Patrick Labonte
Hello, at the moment I'm writing my diploma-thesis. The project I'm working on is for a big company in germany and consists of porting a Rich-Client-Java-Application to a web-based Application. It should make heavy use of AJAX-Components, because it should behave like the Rich-Client. If the exper