Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-24 Thread Bernard
I am using EJB 3.0. So easy to work with. Toplink, GlassFish do everything. The ORM creates my tables from POJOs, transactions are a no-brainer. Comes with NetBeans out of the box. Why don't more users write about it? Most of the time is spent on coding web pages (messy due to browser bugs and

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-23 Thread Daniel Stoch
Hi, If you don't want to use xml you can configure your beans in pure Java. See Spring Java Configuration Project: http://www.springsource.org/javaconfig -- Daniel On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Dane Lavertydanelave...@gmail.com wrote: Due to the fact that nearly every substantial sample

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-23 Thread Erik van Oosten
Spring gives flexibility in your services layer (whatever you call it). Making things transactional, adding memoization, talking to remote interfaces, configuring Hibernate and JMX beans, all that kind of stuff is easy with Spring and often unbelievably hard without. As said, Spring has no value

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-23 Thread Martijn Dashorst
For automated classpath scanning, with limited XML, see http://wicketinaction.com/2009/06/wicketspringhibernate-configuration/ Martijn On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Dane Lavertydanelave...@gmail.com wrote: Due to the fact that nearly every substantial sample Wicket app is Spring-based, I

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-23 Thread Martin Makundi
I will vote NO. Why? Because YAGNI. ** Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org

RE: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-23 Thread Russell Simpkins
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Dane Lavertydanelave...@gmail.com wrote: Due to the fact that nearly every substantial sample Wicket app is Spring-based, I imagine that there's something awesome about using Spring. In fact, Wicket is what has finally gotten me to start learning Spring.

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-23 Thread John Krasnay
Wow, this post generated a short burst of heat but not much light! I think the problem is your question conflates dependency injection, XML-based configuration, and the Spring framework. IMHO you have to consider these separately to understand their relative merits. Dependency injection is

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-23 Thread Dane Laverty
There we go, that's the kind of information I was looking for! Thanks John. What got me started with Spring initially was its JDBC templates, but then everything I read basically said, Yeah, Spring has JDBC templates, but you won't really need them since you should be using ORM instead. However,

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-23 Thread Erik Post
I agree that Wicket, although it's really 'only' a view framework, could do with a couple of straightforward examples in this area, because: - A view framework without any persistence going on isn't typically very useful; - It's important, if only to learn where, how and with what to hook into

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-22 Thread Jeremy Thomerson
I use it to deploy the same Wicket application to a dozen different sites. Each of them has their own configuration / some with different services, etc. Better than hard-coding a bunch of big switch statements. The same applies for loading dev / staging / production configuration. -- Jeremy

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-22 Thread Jason Wang
Dane Laverty wrote: Due to the fact that nearly every substantial sample Wicket app is Spring-based, I imagine that there's something awesome about using Spring. In fact, Wicket is what has finally gotten me to start learning Spring. I think I understand the basics of dependency injection --

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-22 Thread Stephen Haberman
Better than hard-coding a bunch of big switch statements. OO has a nice way of dealing with switch statements: polymorphism. If you know the environments up-front, you can define an interface and have each environment class implement it. Though, if you're defining environments on the fly,

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-22 Thread Jeremy Thomerson
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Stephen Habermanstep...@exigencecorp.com wrote: OO has a nice way of dealing with switch statements: polymorphism. Yeah - but all the apps I've seen where I was consulting that didn't use Spring had a ton of switch statements to create all of their services / db

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-22 Thread Jeremy Thomerson
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Jason Wangjason.w...@bulletin.net wrote: You dont have to use spring with wicket. Spring is a business layer framework essentially. It gives you so much convenience to decouple services from its clients. I tried to use it to manage all the web components,

Re: Spring and Wicket - is it worth it?

2009-07-22 Thread Stephen Haberman
I wasn't saying that's the only other way - just unfortunately the one a lot choose. I'll give you that. :-) - Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: