Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)]

Hi,

So after 2 weeks of available time to express opinions I have some
conclusions: we are going to implement P2.
I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-14265
We are going to make sure to have a span around the labels so that they can
be easily hidden in custom skins.

We had 42 votes around the subject held on 4 channels, for more details see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions#HVoting
P2 had 65% of the votes, while P4 35%.

Thanks everyone for the votes
Caty

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mahomed Hussein <maho...@custodiandc.com>
wrote:

> > I’d go as far as saying that the labels could actually be distracting by
> taking more visual
> > space and catching your eyes when you look at the UI as a whole and want
> to focus on the
> > content.
>
> I totally agree with this about the UI and wasted space and distractions.
>
> > Now this could be minor and the advantages for the newcomers could be
> more important than the
> > small downside for returning users.
>
> Well newcomers just need to learn about the functions of the buttons by
> using them once or twice. Whereas the rest of us have to deal with the
> wasted space and distraction forever more :) Also, can't the concern about
> newcomers (and the introduction to the purpose of the buttons) be addressed
> with the tour application that now runs for new users?
>
> Honestly I don't think everyone is going to agree on this. Whatever the
> XWiki team chooses, will probably be fine. People will complain for a bit
> and just move on with life. So I think the team should just take the result
> from the poll and implement that as I think the topic could continue
> indefinitely :-)
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
> Mahomed Hussein
> Custodian Data Centre
> Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
> http://www.CustodianDC.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol
> Sent: 28 April 2017 09:02
> To: XWiki Users <users@xwiki.org>
> Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content
> Actions
>
>
> > On 28 Apr 2017, at 09:57, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <vali...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Clément Aubin
> > <clement.au...@xwiki.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 04/27/2017 11:58 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> >>> Some summary until now:
> >>> P2: Craig, Olivier
> >>> P4: Mahomed, Steffen, Jesse, Miroslav
> >>
> >> As a «fresh» user, I would prefer P2, mostly because I don’t think
> >> that every newcomer will have the intuition to look at the top-right
> >> corner of the page for its options. Adding labels allows for those
> >> three icons to be more visible.
> >>
> >>
> > From an usability perspective, having labels is unbeatable both for
> > new users and advanced users.
>
> I agree for new users but not for advanced. Users who’ve used those button
> just once know about them and don’t need the labels. I’d go as far as
> saying that the labels could actually be distracting by taking more visual
> space and catching your eyes when you look at the UI as a whole and want to
> focus on the content.
>
> Now this could be minor and the advantages for the newcomers could be more
> important than the small downside for returning users.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > We could also display the icons labels only if the user has the
> > «simple»
> >> user profile and remove them as soon as he becomes more advanced.
> >>
> >
> > Not sure about making this configurable. It's a simple decision, we
> > need to agree on a default. With this approach we make everything in
> > XWiki configurable.
> >
> > The advantage of reaching to newcomers is that in time they will also
> > become advanced users. We want to encourage user transformation. Also
> > I don't think users that start with a more explicit interface will
> > like the change after, since they will become accustomed to it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Clément Aubin
> >> Web Developer Intern @XWiki SAS
> >> clement.au...@xwiki.com
> >> More about us at http://www.xwiki.com
>
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Mahomed Hussein]

> I’d go as far as saying that the labels could actually be distracting by 
> taking more visual
> space and catching your eyes when you look at the UI as a whole and want to 
> focus on the
> content.

I totally agree with this about the UI and wasted space and distractions.

> Now this could be minor and the advantages for the newcomers could be more 
> important than the
> small downside for returning users.

Well newcomers just need to learn about the functions of the buttons by using 
them once or twice. Whereas the rest of us have to deal with the wasted space 
and distraction forever more :) Also, can't the concern about newcomers (and 
the introduction to the purpose of the buttons) be addressed with the tour 
application that now runs for new users?

Honestly I don't think everyone is going to agree on this. Whatever the XWiki 
team chooses, will probably be fine. People will complain for a bit and just 
move on with life. So I think the team should just take the result from the 
poll and implement that as I think the topic could continue indefinitely :-)


Kind regards,




Mahomed Hussein
Custodian Data Centre
Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
http://www.CustodianDC.com

-Original Message-
From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol
Sent: 28 April 2017 09:02
To: XWiki Users <users@xwiki.org>
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions


> On 28 Apr 2017, at 09:57, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Clément Aubin
> <clement.au...@xwiki.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 04/27/2017 11:58 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>> Some summary until now:
>>> P2: Craig, Olivier
>>> P4: Mahomed, Steffen, Jesse, Miroslav
>>
>> As a «fresh» user, I would prefer P2, mostly because I don’t think
>> that every newcomer will have the intuition to look at the top-right
>> corner of the page for its options. Adding labels allows for those
>> three icons to be more visible.
>>
>>
> From an usability perspective, having labels is unbeatable both for
> new users and advanced users.

I agree for new users but not for advanced. Users who’ve used those button just 
once know about them and don’t need the labels. I’d go as far as saying that 
the labels could actually be distracting by taking more visual space and 
catching your eyes when you look at the UI as a whole and want to focus on the 
content.

Now this could be minor and the advantages for the newcomers could be more 
important than the small downside for returning users.

Thanks
-Vincent

> We could also display the icons labels only if the user has the
> «simple»
>> user profile and remove them as soon as he becomes more advanced.
>>
>
> Not sure about making this configurable. It's a simple decision, we
> need to agree on a default. With this approach we make everything in
> XWiki configurable.
>
> The advantage of reaching to newcomers is that in time they will also
> become advanced users. We want to encourage user transformation. Also
> I don't think users that start with a more explicit interface will
> like the change after, since they will become accustomed to it.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Clément Aubin
>> Web Developer Intern @XWiki SAS
>> clement.au...@xwiki.com
>> More about us at http://www.xwiki.com

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Vincent Massol]

> On 28 Apr 2017, at 10:01, Vincent Massol  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 28 Apr 2017, at 09:57, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Clément Aubin 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On 04/27/2017 11:58 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
 Some summary until now:
 P2: Craig, Olivier
 P4: Mahomed, Steffen, Jesse, Miroslav
>>> 
>>> As a «fresh» user, I would prefer P2, mostly because I don’t think that
>>> every newcomer will have the intuition to look at the top-right corner
>>> of the page for its options. Adding labels allows for those three icons
>>> to be more visible.
>>> 
>>> 
>> From an usability perspective, having labels is unbeatable both for new
>> users and advanced users.
> 
> I agree for new users but not for advanced.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to say “advanced” here. I mean to see “users who’ve used 
the buttons once”.

Thanks
-Vincent

> Users who’ve used those button just once know about them and don’t need the 
> labels. I’d go as far as saying that the labels could actually be distracting 
> by taking more visual space and catching your eyes when you look at the UI as 
> a whole and want to focus on the content.
> 
> Now this could be minor and the advantages for the newcomers could be more 
> important than the small downside for returning users.
> 
> Thanks
> -Vincent
> 
>> We could also display the icons labels only if the user has the «simple»
>>> user profile and remove them as soon as he becomes more advanced.
>>> 
>> 
>> Not sure about making this configurable. It's a simple decision, we need to
>> agree on a default. With this approach we make everything in XWiki
>> configurable.
>> 
>> The advantage of reaching to newcomers is that in time they will also
>> become advanced users. We want to encourage user transformation. Also I
>> don't think users that start with a more explicit interface will like the
>> change after, since they will become accustomed to it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Clément Aubin
>>> Web Developer Intern @XWiki SAS
>>> clement.au...@xwiki.com
>>> More about us at http://www.xwiki.com

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Vincent Massol]

> On 28 Apr 2017, at 09:57, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Clément Aubin 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On 04/27/2017 11:58 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>> Some summary until now:
>>> P2: Craig, Olivier
>>> P4: Mahomed, Steffen, Jesse, Miroslav
>> 
>> As a «fresh» user, I would prefer P2, mostly because I don’t think that
>> every newcomer will have the intuition to look at the top-right corner
>> of the page for its options. Adding labels allows for those three icons
>> to be more visible.
>> 
>> 
> From an usability perspective, having labels is unbeatable both for new
> users and advanced users.

I agree for new users but not for advanced. Users who’ve used those button just 
once know about them and don’t need the labels. I’d go as far as saying that 
the labels could actually be distracting by taking more visual space and 
catching your eyes when you look at the UI as a whole and want to focus on the 
content.

Now this could be minor and the advantages for the newcomers could be more 
important than the small downside for returning users.

Thanks
-Vincent

> We could also display the icons labels only if the user has the «simple»
>> user profile and remove them as soon as he becomes more advanced.
>> 
> 
> Not sure about making this configurable. It's a simple decision, we need to
> agree on a default. With this approach we make everything in XWiki
> configurable.
> 
> The advantage of reaching to newcomers is that in time they will also
> become advanced users. We want to encourage user transformation. Also I
> don't think users that start with a more explicit interface will like the
> change after, since they will become accustomed to it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Caty
> 
> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> --
>> Clément Aubin
>> Web Developer Intern @XWiki SAS
>> clement.au...@xwiki.com
>> More about us at http://www.xwiki.com

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Clément Aubin 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 04/27/2017 11:58 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> > Some summary until now:
> > P2: Craig, Olivier
> > P4: Mahomed, Steffen, Jesse, Miroslav
>
> As a «fresh» user, I would prefer P2, mostly because I don’t think that
> every newcomer will have the intuition to look at the top-right corner
> of the page for its options. Adding labels allows for those three icons
> to be more visible.
>
>
>From an usability perspective, having labels is unbeatable both for new
users and advanced users.


> We could also display the icons labels only if the user has the «simple»
> user profile and remove them as soon as he becomes more advanced.
>

Not sure about making this configurable. It's a simple decision, we need to
agree on a default. With this approach we make everything in XWiki
configurable.

The advantage of reaching to newcomers is that in time they will also
become advanced users. We want to encourage user transformation. Also I
don't think users that start with a more explicit interface will like the
change after, since they will become accustomed to it.

Thanks,
Caty


>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Clément Aubin
> Web Developer Intern @XWiki SAS
> clement.au...@xwiki.com
> More about us at http://www.xwiki.com
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Clément Aubin]

Hi,

On 04/27/2017 11:58 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> Some summary until now:
> P2: Craig, Olivier
> P4: Mahomed, Steffen, Jesse, Miroslav

As a «fresh» user, I would prefer P2, mostly because I don’t think that
every newcomer will have the intuition to look at the top-right corner
of the page for its options. Adding labels allows for those three icons
to be more visible.

We could also display the icons labels only if the user has the «simple»
user profile and remove them as soon as he becomes more advanced.

Thanks,

-- 
Clément Aubin
Web Developer Intern @XWiki SAS
clement.au...@xwiki.com
More about us at http://www.xwiki.com

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Vishal]

I vote for P4. But will prefer P4 more, because pencil and plus icons are
good enough to convey the meaning of action. 
I guess everyone working on a page would at least have a basic idea of what
she is doing.. so just P4 icons could suffice.
And the newcomers without any slight idea of wiki couldn't understand even
if P2 is there.

And yes, the cog actions can be merged with three dots..



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Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Olivier Seres]

Also consider that only advanced users are expressing their opinions here.
(Newcomers and non-experienced wiki users rarely post in mailing lists, so
we must figure out how they can understand the interface)
Thanks







--
Olivier

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
vali...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some summary until now:
> P2: Craig, Olivier
> P4: Mahomed, Steffen, Jesse, Miroslav
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Miroslav Galajda <
> miroslav.gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Opps, I wanted to vote for P4 not for P2 :-) I've mixed up the images :-)
> >
> > P4 goes with existing style and makes it from design perspective
> consistent
> > with buttons for inline section editing.
> >
> > Sorry
> >
> > Miroslav Galajda
> >
> > On 26 April 2017 at 16:34, Miroslav Galajda 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons with
> > > dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of the
> > dropdown
> > > menu.
> > > Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep consistent
> > > with the buttons for inline section editing.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Miroslav Galajda
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> vali...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2
> version
> > >> and
> > >> actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
> > >>
> > >> I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
> > >> Thanks to everyone that is participating,
> > >> Caty
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright <
> je...@abrightfamily.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > Jesse
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > >> > vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit'
> > and
> > >> > > 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a
> > 'cog'
> > >> > icon
> > >> > > that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
> > >> contain
> > >> > > other actions.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
> > >> > > P2:
> > >> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabe
> > >> ledActions/
> > >> > advancedUser.png
> > >> > > P4:
> > >> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> > >> > IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main
> difference
> > >> is
> > >> > > that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the
> consistency
> > >> with
> > >> > > the top icons and a more minimalist style.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
> > >> > category
> > >> > > labels, see
> > >> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabe
> > >> ledActions/
> > >> > moreActions.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances?
> > Did
> > >> > you
> > >> > > encounter the same problem?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > > Caty
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)]

Some summary until now:
P2: Craig, Olivier
P4: Mahomed, Steffen, Jesse, Miroslav

Thanks,
Caty

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Miroslav Galajda <
miroslav.gala...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Opps, I wanted to vote for P4 not for P2 :-) I've mixed up the images :-)
>
> P4 goes with existing style and makes it from design perspective consistent
> with buttons for inline section editing.
>
> Sorry
>
> Miroslav Galajda
>
> On 26 April 2017 at 16:34, Miroslav Galajda 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons with
> > dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of the
> dropdown
> > menu.
> > Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep consistent
> > with the buttons for inline section editing.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Miroslav Galajda
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2 version
> >> and
> >> actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
> >>
> >> I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
> >> Thanks to everyone that is participating,
> >> Caty
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Jesse
> >> >
> >> > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> >> > vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit'
> and
> >> > > 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a
> 'cog'
> >> > icon
> >> > > that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
> >> contain
> >> > > other actions.
> >> > >
> >> > > Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
> >> > > P2:
> >> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabe
> >> ledActions/
> >> > advancedUser.png
> >> > > P4:
> >> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> >> > IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
> >> > >
> >> > > Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference
> >> is
> >> > > that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency
> >> with
> >> > > the top icons and a more minimalist style.
> >> > >
> >> > > For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
> >> > category
> >> > > labels, see
> >> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabe
> >> ledActions/
> >> > moreActions.png
> >> > >
> >> > > What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances?
> Did
> >> > you
> >> > > encounter the same problem?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Caty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Miroslav Galajda]

Opps, I wanted to vote for P4 not for P2 :-) I've mixed up the images :-)

P4 goes with existing style and makes it from design perspective consistent
with buttons for inline section editing.

Sorry

Miroslav Galajda

On 26 April 2017 at 16:34, Miroslav Galajda 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons with
> dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of the dropdown
> menu.
> Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep consistent
> with the buttons for inline section editing.
>
> Best regards,
> Miroslav Galajda
>
>
>
> On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) 
> wrote:
>
>> This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2 version
>> and
>> actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
>>
>> I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
>> Thanks to everyone that is participating,
>> Caty
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Jesse
>> >
>> > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> > vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and
>> > > 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog'
>> > icon
>> > > that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
>> contain
>> > > other actions.
>> > >
>> > > Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
>> > > P2:
>> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabe
>> ledActions/
>> > advancedUser.png
>> > > P4:
>> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>> > IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
>> > >
>> > > Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference
>> is
>> > > that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency
>> with
>> > > the top icons and a more minimalist style.
>> > >
>> > > For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
>> > category
>> > > labels, see
>> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabe
>> ledActions/
>> > moreActions.png
>> > >
>> > > What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did
>> > you
>> > > encounter the same problem?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Caty
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Olivier Seres]

Voting for P2
Arguments here :
https://thomasbyttebier.be/blog/the-best-icon-is-a-text-label
"Pencil" and "+" Icons are not explicit for everyone.

But I would go further :
1/ "Create" does't tell me what I will create. The next screen tells me
Create Page.  => so I think : "Create a new page" is more relevant
(in the landing page, we could include the "Duplicate this page" (aka
"copy") function
2/ The "kebab" 3 vertical dots is not explicit either : doesn't tell me
what's behind (what's the difference with the hamburger)=> I think it would
be better to display "More actions" (which is coherent because Edit and
Create (a new page) are the most performed actions (presumably)









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On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Mahomed Hussein <maho...@custodiandc.com>
wrote:

> This P2 is much nicer, but I still prefer P4.
>
> I can see why some people like P2 as it is more descriptive. But, P4 still
> matches the current icons better (and I am guessing not many people have
> complained that they don't know what those mysterious buttons in the top
> right are for.) Additionally there's a tool tip when you hover over the
> buttons and once you know what the button does, you don't actually need the
> label.
>
> The icons are pretty universal as well. i.e. a Pencil indicates editing
> and a Plus sign indicates "adding".
>
> I don't suppose this could be a wiki wide configurable option? :) Or maybe
> something that can be turned on/off with a class in the skin.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
> Mahomed Hussein
> Custodian Data Centre
> Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
> http://www.CustodianDC.com
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Ecaterina
> Moraru (Valica)
> Sent: 26 April 2017 16:06
> To: XWiki Users <users@xwiki.org>
> Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content
> Actions
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Craig Wright <crw+xw...@crw.xyz> wrote:
>
> > Hi Caty,
> >
> > I would use the Edit text w/ pencil on Edit and just the plus icon for
> > Create. The reason is Edit needs to be differentiated from Create, but
> > this is accomplished with the word Edit. On small resolutions (iPhone)
> > I think it is acceptable to hide the word Edit.
> >
>
> I have to disagree here. The purpose is to promote and highlight both
> important actions and that is both 'Edit' and 'Create'. The 'plus' sign can
> be also confusing for new users. Highlighting just 'Edit' would be hard to
> justify.
>
>
> >
> > The triple-dot icon needs to be a button. P2 has it as a free-floating
> > icon, P4 has it as a button: it needs to be a button as per P4.
> >
>
> Yes, a better screenshot for P2 is
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P2_
> noRightPanels.png
> The symmetric P4 screenshot is
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P4_
> noRightPanels.png
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> > Otherwise, looks good!
> >
> > Be well,
> > Craig
> >
> > > On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Miroslav Galajda <
> > miroslav.gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons
> > > with dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of
> > > the
> > dropdown
> > > menu.
> > > Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep
> > > consistent with the buttons for inline section editing.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Miroslav Galajda
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > > <vali...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2
> > >> version
> > and
> > >> actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
> > >>
> > >> I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
> > >> Thanks to everyone that is participating, Caty
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright
> > >> <je...@abrightfamily.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> They both look great but I like the lo

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Mahomed Hussein]

This P2 is much nicer, but I still prefer P4.

I can see why some people like P2 as it is more descriptive. But, P4 still 
matches the current icons better (and I am guessing not many people have 
complained that they don't know what those mysterious buttons in the top right 
are for.) Additionally there's a tool tip when you hover over the buttons and 
once you know what the button does, you don't actually need the label.

The icons are pretty universal as well. i.e. a Pencil indicates editing and a 
Plus sign indicates "adding".

I don't suppose this could be a wiki wide configurable option? :) Or maybe 
something that can be turned on/off with a class in the skin.


Kind regards,




Mahomed Hussein
Custodian Data Centre
Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
http://www.CustodianDC.com

-Original Message-
From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Ecaterina Moraru 
(Valica)
Sent: 26 April 2017 16:06
To: XWiki Users <users@xwiki.org>
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Craig Wright <crw+xw...@crw.xyz> wrote:

> Hi Caty,
>
> I would use the Edit text w/ pencil on Edit and just the plus icon for
> Create. The reason is Edit needs to be differentiated from Create, but
> this is accomplished with the word Edit. On small resolutions (iPhone)
> I think it is acceptable to hide the word Edit.
>

I have to disagree here. The purpose is to promote and highlight both important 
actions and that is both 'Edit' and 'Create'. The 'plus' sign can be also 
confusing for new users. Highlighting just 'Edit' would be hard to justify.


>
> The triple-dot icon needs to be a button. P2 has it as a free-floating
> icon, P4 has it as a button: it needs to be a button as per P4.
>

Yes, a better screenshot for P2 is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P2_noRightPanels.png
The symmetric P4 screenshot is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P4_noRightPanels.png

Thanks,
Caty


> Otherwise, looks good!
>
> Be well,
> Craig
>
> > On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Miroslav Galajda <
> miroslav.gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons
> > with dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of
> > the
> dropdown
> > menu.
> > Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep
> > consistent with the buttons for inline section editing.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Miroslav Galajda
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > <vali...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2
> >> version
> and
> >> actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
> >>
> >> I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
> >> Thanks to everyone that is participating, Caty
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright
> >> <je...@abrightfamily.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jesse
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> >>> vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the
> >>>> 'Edit' and 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we 
> >>>> have a 'cog'
> >>> icon
> >>>> that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
> >> contain
> >>>> other actions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
> >>>> P2:
> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> >> IdeaLabeledActions/
> >>> advancedUser.png
> >>>> P4:
> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> >>> IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
> >>>>
> >>>> Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main
> >>>> difference
> is
> >>>> that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the
> >>>> consistency
> >> with
> >>>> the top icons and a more minimalist style.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
> >>> category
> >>>> labels, see
> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> >> IdeaLabeledActions/
> >>> moreActions.png
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your
> >>>> instances? Did
> >>> you
> >>>> encounter the same problem?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Caty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Craig Wright  wrote:

> Hi Caty,
>
> I like the current P2. What are the drop-down options for Edit?
>

'Edit' drop-down is for 'Advanced' users and it contains the other edit
modes, see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/advancedExpanded.png
For 'Normal' users the 'Edit' is just a button, see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/simpleUser.png


>
> My reasoning for hiding Create is that the Create function is a little
> confusing to begin with for new users. If you are used to files and
> folders, it is weird that a file is also a folder (that a node can have
> child nodes that are also documents). This makes sense to me because I am a
> computer science grad, but it isn’t that obvious to long-time Mac/Windows
> users. I would almost want it to be called “Create New Child Page” or
> something, to better indicate what is going to happen when you click that
> button. Except, sometimes, it doesn’t create a new child page, depending on
> the template you choose. In any case, there is no obvious solution, P2
> looks best of the options provided. :)
>

That's another story :)

Thanks,
Caty


>
> Thanks,
> Craig
>
>
> > On Apr 26, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Craig Wright  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Caty,
> >>
> >> I would use the Edit text w/ pencil on Edit and just the plus icon for
> >> Create. The reason is Edit needs to be differentiated from Create, but
> this
> >> is accomplished with the word Edit. On small resolutions (iPhone) I
> think
> >> it is acceptable to hide the word Edit.
> >>
> >
> > I have to disagree here. The purpose is to promote and highlight both
> > important actions and that is both 'Edit' and 'Create'. The 'plus' sign
> can
> > be also confusing for new users. Highlighting just 'Edit' would be hard
> to
> > justify.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> The triple-dot icon needs to be a button. P2 has it as a free-floating
> >> icon, P4 has it as a button: it needs to be a button as per P4.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, a better screenshot for P2 is
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaLabeledActions/P2_noRightPanels.png
> > The symmetric P4 screenshot is
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaLabeledActions/P4_noRightPanels.png
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> >> Otherwise, looks good!
> >>
> >> Be well,
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Miroslav Galajda <
> >> miroslav.gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons with
> >>> dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of the
> >> dropdown
> >>> menu.
> >>> Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep consistent
> >>> with the buttons for inline section editing.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Miroslav Galajda
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> vali...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2
> version
> >> and
>  actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
> 
>  I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
>  Thanks to everyone that is participating,
>  Caty
> 
>  On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright <
> je...@abrightfamily.com>
>  wrote:
> 
> > They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> >> On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit'
> and
> >> 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a
> 'cog'
> > icon
> >> that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
>  contain
> >> other actions.
> >>
> >> Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
> >> P2:
> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>  IdeaLabeledActions/
> > advancedUser.png
> >> P4:
> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> > IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
> >>
> >> Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference
> >> is
> >> that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency
>  with
> >> the top icons and a more minimalist style.
> >>
> >> For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
> > category
> >> labels, see
> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>  IdeaLabeledActions/
> > moreActions.png
> >>
> >> What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances?
> Did
> > you
> >> encounter the same problem?
> >>
> 

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Craig Wright]

Hi Caty,

I like the current P2. What are the drop-down options for Edit?

My reasoning for hiding Create is that the Create function is a little 
confusing to begin with for new users. If you are used to files and folders, it 
is weird that a file is also a folder (that a node can have child nodes that 
are also documents). This makes sense to me because I am a computer science 
grad, but it isn’t that obvious to long-time Mac/Windows users. I would almost 
want it to be called “Create New Child Page” or something, to better indicate 
what is going to happen when you click that button. Except, sometimes, it 
doesn’t create a new child page, depending on the template you choose. In any 
case, there is no obvious solution, P2 looks best of the options provided. :)

Thanks,
Craig


> On Apr 26, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Craig Wright  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Caty,
>> 
>> I would use the Edit text w/ pencil on Edit and just the plus icon for
>> Create. The reason is Edit needs to be differentiated from Create, but this
>> is accomplished with the word Edit. On small resolutions (iPhone) I think
>> it is acceptable to hide the word Edit.
>> 
> 
> I have to disagree here. The purpose is to promote and highlight both
> important actions and that is both 'Edit' and 'Create'. The 'plus' sign can
> be also confusing for new users. Highlighting just 'Edit' would be hard to
> justify.
> 
> 
>> 
>> The triple-dot icon needs to be a button. P2 has it as a free-floating
>> icon, P4 has it as a button: it needs to be a button as per P4.
>> 
> 
> Yes, a better screenshot for P2 is
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P2_noRightPanels.png
> The symmetric P4 screenshot is
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P4_noRightPanels.png
> 
> Thanks,
> Caty
> 
> 
>> Otherwise, looks good!
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Miroslav Galajda <
>> miroslav.gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons with
>>> dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of the
>> dropdown
>>> menu.
>>> Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep consistent
>>> with the buttons for inline section editing.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Miroslav Galajda
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2 version
>> and
 actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
 
 I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
 Thanks to everyone that is participating,
 Caty
 
 On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright 
 wrote:
 
> They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jesse
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and
>> 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog'
> icon
>> that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
 contain
>> other actions.
>> 
>> Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
>> P2:
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
 IdeaLabeledActions/
> advancedUser.png
>> P4:
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
>> 
>> Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference
>> is
>> that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency
 with
>> the top icons and a more minimalist style.
>> 
>> For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
> category
>> labels, see
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
 IdeaLabeledActions/
> moreActions.png
>> 
>> What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did
> you
>> encounter the same problem?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
> 
> 
> 
 
>> 
>> 

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Craig Wright  wrote:

> Hi Caty,
>
> I would use the Edit text w/ pencil on Edit and just the plus icon for
> Create. The reason is Edit needs to be differentiated from Create, but this
> is accomplished with the word Edit. On small resolutions (iPhone) I think
> it is acceptable to hide the word Edit.
>

I have to disagree here. The purpose is to promote and highlight both
important actions and that is both 'Edit' and 'Create'. The 'plus' sign can
be also confusing for new users. Highlighting just 'Edit' would be hard to
justify.


>
> The triple-dot icon needs to be a button. P2 has it as a free-floating
> icon, P4 has it as a button: it needs to be a button as per P4.
>

Yes, a better screenshot for P2 is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P2_noRightPanels.png
The symmetric P4 screenshot is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P4_noRightPanels.png

Thanks,
Caty


> Otherwise, looks good!
>
> Be well,
> Craig
>
> > On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Miroslav Galajda <
> miroslav.gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons with
> > dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of the
> dropdown
> > menu.
> > Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep consistent
> > with the buttons for inline section editing.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Miroslav Galajda
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2 version
> and
> >> actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
> >>
> >> I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
> >> Thanks to everyone that is participating,
> >> Caty
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jesse
> >>>
>  On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> >>> vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and
>  'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog'
> >>> icon
>  that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
> >> contain
>  other actions.
> 
>  Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
>  P2:
>  http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> >> IdeaLabeledActions/
> >>> advancedUser.png
>  P4:
>  http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> >>> IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
> 
>  Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference
> is
>  that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency
> >> with
>  the top icons and a more minimalist style.
> 
>  For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
> >>> category
>  labels, see
>  http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> >> IdeaLabeledActions/
> >>> moreActions.png
> 
>  What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did
> >>> you
>  encounter the same problem?
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Caty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Craig Wright]

Hi Caty,

I would use the Edit text w/ pencil on Edit and just the plus icon for Create. 
The reason is Edit needs to be differentiated from Create, but this is 
accomplished with the word Edit. On small resolutions (iPhone) I think it is 
acceptable to hide the word Edit.

The triple-dot icon needs to be a button. P2 has it as a free-floating icon, P4 
has it as a button: it needs to be a button as per P4. 

Otherwise, looks good!

Be well,
Craig

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Miroslav Galajda  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons with
> dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of the dropdown
> menu.
> Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep consistent
> with the buttons for inline section editing.
> 
> Best regards,
> Miroslav Galajda
> 
> 
> 
> On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) 
> wrote:
> 
>> This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2 version and
>> actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
>> 
>> I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
>> Thanks to everyone that is participating,
>> Caty
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Jesse
>>> 
 On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>> vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and
 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog'
>>> icon
 that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
>> contain
 other actions.
 
 Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
 P2:
 http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>> IdeaLabeledActions/
>>> advancedUser.png
 P4:
 http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>>> IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
 
 Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference is
 that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency
>> with
 the top icons and a more minimalist style.
 
 For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
>>> category
 labels, see
 http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>> IdeaLabeledActions/
>>> moreActions.png
 
 What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did
>>> you
 encounter the same problem?
 
 Thanks,
 Caty
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Miroslav Galajda]

Hi,

I'm voting for P2 because it is making the visual style of buttons with
dropdown menu to look as they should look, with indication of the dropdown
menu.
Secondly, the visual style of the edit page button will keep consistent
with the buttons for inline section editing.

Best regards,
Miroslav Galajda



On 26 April 2017 at 15:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) 
wrote:

> This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2 version and
> actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.
>
> I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
> Thanks to everyone that is participating,
> Caty
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright 
> wrote:
>
> > They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and
> > > 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog'
> > icon
> > > that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that
> contain
> > > other actions.
> > >
> > > Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
> > > P2:
> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaLabeledActions/
> > advancedUser.png
> > > P4:
> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> > IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
> > >
> > > Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference is
> > > that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency
> with
> > > the top icons and a more minimalist style.
> > >
> > > For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
> > category
> > > labels, see
> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaLabeledActions/
> > moreActions.png
> > >
> > > What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did
> > you
> > > encounter the same problem?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)]

This is getting interesting since I know users that like the P2 version and
actually it was one of the first choices for re-implementation.

I guess we need more votes to reach a conclusion.
Thanks to everyone that is participating,
Caty

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Jesse Bright 
wrote:

> They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jesse
>
> > On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and
> > 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog'
> icon
> > that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that contain
> > other actions.
> >
> > Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
> > P2:
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/
> advancedUser.png
> > P4:
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
> >
> > Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference is
> > that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency with
> > the top icons and a more minimalist style.
> >
> > For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add
> category
> > labels, see
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/
> moreActions.png
> >
> > What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did
> you
> > encounter the same problem?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
>
>
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Jesse Bright]

They both look great but I like the look of P4 better.

Regards,

Jesse

> On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and
> 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog' icon
> that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that contain
> other actions.
> 
> Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
> P2:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/advancedUser.png
> P4:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
> 
> Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference is
> that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency with
> the top icons and a more minimalist style.
> 
> For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add category
> labels, see
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/moreActions.png
> 
> What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did you
> encounter the same problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> Caty

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[BRUMM Steffen]

P4 is my choice

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Von: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] Im Auftrag von Ecaterina Moraru 
(Valica)
Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. April 2017 19:33
An: XWiki Mailinglist
Betreff: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

Hi,

We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and 'Create' 
buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog' icon that 
contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that contain other 
actions.

Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
P2:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/advancedUser.png
P4:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png

Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference is that P2 
also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency with the top icons 
and a more minimalist style.

For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add category 
labels, see 
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/moreActions.png

What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did you 
encounter the same problem?

Thanks,
Caty

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Mahomed Hussein 
wrote:

> P2 is great because it is descriptive and probably helpful on wikis with a
> lot of users who are "less technical" or "slightly technophobic".
>
> P4 is great because it is compact and I think even technophobic users will
> understand what the buttons do after the first few tries. So my vote is for
> P4.
>

Hi, Thank for the vote. Noted :)

Caty


>
> Regarding "combine the actions and add category labels". That looks
> awesome and much more intuitive.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
> Mahomed Hussein
> Custodian Data Centre
> Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
> http://www.CustodianDC.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Ecaterina
> Moraru (Valica)
> Sent: 25 April 2017 18:33
> To: XWiki Mailinglist 
> Subject: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions
>
> Hi,
>
> We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and
> 'Create' buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog' icon
> that contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that contain
> other actions.
>
> Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
> P2:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/
> advancedUser.png
> P4:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png
>
> Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference is
> that P2 also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency with
> the top icons and a more minimalist style.
>
> For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add category
> labels, see http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaLabeledActions/moreActions.png
>
> What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did you
> encounter the same problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>

Re: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

[Mahomed Hussein]

P2 is great because it is descriptive and probably helpful on wikis with a lot 
of users who are "less technical" or "slightly technophobic".

P4 is great because it is compact and I think even technophobic users will 
understand what the buttons do after the first few tries. So my vote is for P4.

Regarding "combine the actions and add category labels". That looks awesome and 
much more intuitive.


Kind regards,




Mahomed Hussein
Custodian Data Centre
Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
http://www.CustodianDC.com

-Original Message-
From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Ecaterina Moraru 
(Valica)
Sent: 25 April 2017 18:33
To: XWiki Mailinglist 
Subject: [xwiki-users] [Proposal][UX] Feedback for Explicit Content Actions

Hi,

We had feedback that new users don't know where to find the 'Edit' and 'Create' 
buttons. Also there is some confusions of why we have a 'cog' icon that 
contains actions like 'Delete' and a 'three dots' icon that contain other 
actions.

Would be great if you could tell us which version you prefer:
P2:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/advancedUser.png
P4:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/P4_1_bigger.png

Both proposals add backgrounds around the icons, the main difference is that P2 
also uses descriptive labels, while P4 keeps the consistency with the top icons 
and a more minimalist style.

For the more actions menu, we want to combine the actions and add category 
labels, see 
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaLabeledActions/moreActions.png

What do you think? Do you have other solutions for your instances? Did you 
encounter the same problem?

Thanks,
Caty