Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-03 Thread vinc...@massol.net
Hi Mahomed,

2 things:  

1) if you pressed “later” XWiki will not ask you again until it’s restarted  
2) if you don’t upgrade now you are going to risk having stuff in your wiki 
that don’t work so it’s important you upgrade ASAP. Having a reminder at each 
XWiki restart is a good thing and bypassing that is not such a brilliant idea 
IMO :)

Thanks  
-Vincent

On 3 Apr 2015 at 13:01:10, Mahomed Hussein 
(maho...@custodiandc.com(mailto:maho...@custodiandc.com)) wrote:  
 Hi
  
 This is brilliant and just what I needed. Thank you very much!
  
  
 Kind regards,
  
 Mahomed
  
  
  
  
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 From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Marius Dumitru 
 Florea
 Sent: 03 April 2015 11:37
 To: XWiki Users
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing
  
 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
 wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
  wrote:
  Hi
 
  I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice and 
  pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade wizard 
  automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I pressed 
  “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared to have 
  upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom showed 6.4.3 
  when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started with 6.4.2 
  (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my questions:
 
 
  · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it to 
  notify me then I can plan the upgrade
 
  You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
  part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
  because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
  don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
  configuration.
  
  As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
  not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.
  
 I successfully 'blocked' upgrades for XWiki by creating the file
  
 /etc/apt/preferences.d/xwiki
  
 with this content:
  
 Package: xwiki-*
 Pin: version 6.2.7
 Pin-Priority: 1001
  
 See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
  
 Hope this helps,
 Marius
  
 
 
  · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate that this 
  is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to do an 
  upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version 
  doesn’t break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. 
  Would the only way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check 
  them with every upgrade?
 
  The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
  of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
  before doing it on the production server.
 
 
  Thanks in advance for your time and help.
 
 
  Kind regards,
 
 
 
 
  Mahomed Hussein
  Senior NOC Engineer
 
  P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, 
  please help us to win and VOTE for us here
 
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Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-03 Thread Mahomed Hussein
Hi

This is brilliant and just what I needed. Thank you very much!


Kind regards,

Mahomed




-Original Message-
From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Marius Dumitru Florea
Sent: 03 April 2015 11:37
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
 maho...@custodiandc.com wrote:
 Hi

 I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice and 
 pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade wizard 
 automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I pressed 
 “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared to have 
 upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom showed 6.4.3 
 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started with 6.4.2 
 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my questions:


 · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it 
 to notify me then I can plan the upgrade

 You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
 part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
 because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
 don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
 configuration.

 As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
 not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.

I successfully 'blocked' upgrades for XWiki by creating the file

/etc/apt/preferences.d/xwiki

with this content:

Package: xwiki-*
Pin: version 6.2.7
Pin-Priority: 1001

See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto

Hope this helps,
Marius



 · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate 
 that this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to 
 do an upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version 
 doesn’t break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. Would 
 the only way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check them with 
 every upgrade?

 The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
 of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
 before doing it on the production server.


 Thanks in advance for your time and help.


 Kind regards,




 Mahomed Hussein
 Senior NOC Engineer

 P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, 
 please help us to win and VOTEhttp://www.dcsawards.com/voting.php for us 
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Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-03 Thread Marius Dumitru Florea
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:05 PM, vinc...@massol.net vinc...@massol.net wrote:
 Hi Mahomed,

 2 things:

 1) if you pressed “later” XWiki will not ask you again until it’s restarted

 2) if you don’t upgrade now you are going to risk having stuff in your wiki 
 that don’t work so it’s important you upgrade ASAP. Having a reminder at each 
 XWiki restart is a good thing and bypassing that is not such a brilliant idea 
 IMO :)

My comment was about blocking the WAR upgrades not the UI upgrades
(through the DW). When you install XWiki through APT you may get
unwanted WAR uppdates because:

* the system is configured to update automatically
* the list of system updates is large and you don't notice that XWiki
is included in the list

Thanks,
Marius


 Thanks
 -Vincent

 On 3 Apr 2015 at 13:01:10, Mahomed Hussein 
 (maho...@custodiandc.com(mailto:maho...@custodiandc.com)) wrote:
 Hi

 This is brilliant and just what I needed. Thank you very much!


 Kind regards,

 Mahomed




 -Original Message-
 From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Marius Dumitru 
 Florea
 Sent: 03 April 2015 11:37
 To: XWiki Users
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
 wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
  wrote:
  Hi
 
  I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice 
  and pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade 
  wizard automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I 
  pressed “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared 
  to have upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom 
  showed 6.4.3 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started 
  with 6.4.2 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my 
  questions:
 
 
  · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it to 
  notify me then I can plan the upgrade
 
  You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
  part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
  because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
  don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
  configuration.

  As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
  not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.

 I successfully 'blocked' upgrades for XWiki by creating the file

 /etc/apt/preferences.d/xwiki

 with this content:

 Package: xwiki-*
 Pin: version 6.2.7
 Pin-Priority: 1001

 See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto

 Hope this helps,
 Marius

 
 
  · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate that 
  this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to 
  do an upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version 
  doesn’t break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. 
  Would the only way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check 
  them with every upgrade?
 
  The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
  of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
  before doing it on the production server.
 
 
  Thanks in advance for your time and help.
 
 
  Kind regards,
 
 
 
 
  Mahomed Hussein
  Senior NOC Engineer
 
  P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, 
  please help us to win and VOTE for us here
 
  Tel: +44 (0)1622 230382
 
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Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-03 Thread vinc...@massol.net
Indeed not upgrading WAR + UI makes sense. Upgrading only WAR without the UI 
doesn’t.

We agree :)

Thanks
-Vincent

On 3 Apr 2015 at 13:37:48, Marius Dumitru Florea 
(mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com) wrote:

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:05 PM, vinc...@massol.net vinc...@massol.net wrote:
 Hi Mahomed,

 2 things:

 1) if you pressed “later” XWiki will not ask you again until it’s restarted

 2) if you don’t upgrade now you are going to risk having stuff in your wiki 
 that don’t work so it’s important you upgrade ASAP. Having a reminder at each 
 XWiki restart is a good thing and bypassing that is not such a brilliant idea 
 IMO :)

My comment was about blocking the WAR upgrades not the UI upgrades
(through the DW). When you install XWiki through APT you may get
unwanted WAR uppdates because:

* the system is configured to update automatically
* the list of system updates is large and you don't notice that XWiki
is included in the list

Thanks,
Marius


 Thanks
 -Vincent

 On 3 Apr 2015 at 13:01:10, Mahomed Hussein 
 (maho...@custodiandc.com(mailto:maho...@custodiandc.com)) wrote:
 Hi

 This is brilliant and just what I needed. Thank you very much!


 Kind regards,

 Mahomed




 -Original Message-
 From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Marius Dumitru 
 Florea
 Sent: 03 April 2015 11:37
 To: XWiki Users
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
 wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
  wrote:
  Hi
 
  I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice 
  and pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade 
  wizard automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I 
  pressed “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared 
  to have upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom 
  showed 6.4.3 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started 
  with 6.4.2 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my 
  questions:
 
 
  · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it to 
  notify me then I can plan the upgrade
 
  You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
  part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
  because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
  don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
  configuration.

  As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
  not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.

 I successfully 'blocked' upgrades for XWiki by creating the file

 /etc/apt/preferences.d/xwiki

 with this content:

 Package: xwiki-*
 Pin: version 6.2.7
 Pin-Priority: 1001

 See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto

 Hope this helps,
 Marius

 
 
  · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate that 
  this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to 
  do an upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version 
  doesn’t break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. 
  Would the only way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check 
  them with every upgrade?
 
  The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
  of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
  before doing it on the production server.
 
 
  Thanks in advance for your time and help.
 
 
  Kind regards,
 
 
 
 
  Mahomed Hussein
  Senior NOC Engineer
 
  P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, 
  please help us to win and VOTE for us here
 
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Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-03 Thread Mahomed Hussein
I admit I didn't initially understand the WAR + UI upgrade relation. But now 
that it has been explained,  I promise to upgrade both when I do my testing and 
production upgrades :)


Kind regards,

Mahomed




-Original Message-
From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of vinc...@massol.net
Sent: 03 April 2015 12:39
To: Marius Dumitru Florea; XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

Indeed not upgrading WAR + UI makes sense. Upgrading only WAR without the UI 
doesn’t.

We agree :)

Thanks
-Vincent

On 3 Apr 2015 at 13:37:48, Marius Dumitru Florea 
(mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com) wrote:

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:05 PM, vinc...@massol.net vinc...@massol.net wrote:
 Hi Mahomed,

 2 things:

 1) if you pressed “later” XWiki will not ask you again until it’s restarted

 2) if you don’t upgrade now you are going to risk having stuff in your wiki 
 that don’t work so it’s important you upgrade ASAP. Having a reminder at each 
 XWiki restart is a good thing and bypassing that is not such a brilliant idea 
 IMO :)

My comment was about blocking the WAR upgrades not the UI upgrades
(through the DW). When you install XWiki through APT you may get
unwanted WAR uppdates because:

* the system is configured to update automatically
* the list of system updates is large and you don't notice that XWiki
is included in the list

Thanks,
Marius


 Thanks
 -Vincent

 On 3 Apr 2015 at 13:01:10, Mahomed Hussein 
 (maho...@custodiandc.com(mailto:maho...@custodiandc.com)) wrote:
 Hi

 This is brilliant and just what I needed. Thank you very much!


 Kind regards,

 Mahomed




 -Original Message-
 From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Marius Dumitru 
 Florea
 Sent: 03 April 2015 11:37
 To: XWiki Users
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
 wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
  wrote:
  Hi
 
  I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice 
  and pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade 
  wizard automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I 
  pressed “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared 
  to have upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom 
  showed 6.4.3 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started 
  with 6.4.2 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my 
  questions:
 
 
  · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it to 
  notify me then I can plan the upgrade
 
  You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
  part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
  because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
  don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
  configuration.

  As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
  not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.

 I successfully 'blocked' upgrades for XWiki by creating the file

 /etc/apt/preferences.d/xwiki

 with this content:

 Package: xwiki-*
 Pin: version 6.2.7
 Pin-Priority: 1001

 See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto

 Hope this helps,
 Marius

 
 
  · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate that 
  this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to 
  do an upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version 
  doesn’t break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. 
  Would the only way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check 
  them with every upgrade?
 
  The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
  of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
  before doing it on the production server.
 
 
  Thanks in advance for your time and help.
 
 
  Kind regards,
 
 
 
 
  Mahomed Hussein
  Senior NOC Engineer
 
  P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, 
  please help us to win and VOTE for us here
 
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Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-03 Thread Marius Dumitru Florea
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
 maho...@custodiandc.com wrote:
 Hi

 I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice and 
 pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade wizard 
 automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I pressed 
 “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared to have 
 upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom showed 6.4.3 
 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started with 6.4.2 
 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my questions:


 · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it 
 to notify me then I can plan the upgrade

 You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
 part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
 because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
 don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
 configuration.

 As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
 not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.

I successfully 'blocked' upgrades for XWiki by creating the file

/etc/apt/preferences.d/xwiki

with this content:

Package: xwiki-*
Pin: version 6.2.7
Pin-Priority: 1001

See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto

Hope this helps,
Marius



 · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate 
 that this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to 
 do an upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version 
 doesn’t break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. Would 
 the only way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check them with 
 every upgrade?

 The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
 of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
 before doing it on the production server.


 Thanks in advance for your time and help.


 Kind regards,




 Mahomed Hussein
 Senior NOC Engineer

 P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, 
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[xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-01 Thread Mahomed Hussein
Hi

I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice and 
pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade wizard 
automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I pressed “Later” 
it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared to have upgraded part 
of the system as the core version at the bottom showed 6.4.3 when the 
extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started with 6.4.2 (installed using 
apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my questions:


· How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it to 
notify me then I can plan the upgrade

· How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate that 
this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to do an 
upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version doesn’t 
break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. Would the only 
way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check them with every 
upgrade?

Thanks in advance for your time and help.


Kind regards,




Mahomed Hussein
Senior NOC Engineer

P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, please 
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Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-01 Thread Mahomed Hussein
Hi Thomas

Thanks for the quick reply.

 You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
 part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
 because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade.

This makes things A LOT clearer. Thanks. We have set the Ubuntu server to 
automatically install updates. I will get this stopped. I have seen that new 
versions are announced on this mailing list so that is good enough as 
notification for me :-)

I'll look into the test server procedure and look at creating a clone. Thanks 
to the magic of virtualisation, this shouldn't be too difficult. The only minor 
issues might be IP Address and DNS name (might need to move it to a lab network 
instead). Also any suggestions for checking changes/apps? I assume the simplest 
way is a document where I note down every change that I've made (maybe at a 
high level such as Macro names and extensions and skin name etc.)


Kind regards,



Mahomed Hussein
Senior NOC Engineer

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-Original Message-
From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Mortagne
Sent: 01 April 2015 10:51
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
maho...@custodiandc.com wrote:
 Hi

 I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice and 
 pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade wizard 
 automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I pressed 
 “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared to have 
 upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom showed 6.4.3 
 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started with 6.4.2 
 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my questions:


 · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it to 
 notify me then I can plan the upgrade

You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
configuration. As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.


 · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate that 
 this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to do an 
 upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version doesn’t 
 break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. Would the only 
 way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check them with every 
 upgrade?

The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
before doing it on the production server.


 Thanks in advance for your time and help.


 Kind regards,




 Mahomed Hussein
 Senior NOC Engineer

 P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, please 
 help us to win and VOTEhttp://www.dcsawards.com/voting.php for us 
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Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-01 Thread Thomas Mortagne
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
maho...@custodiandc.com wrote:
 Hi

 I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice and 
 pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade wizard 
 automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I pressed 
 “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared to have 
 upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom showed 6.4.3 
 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started with 6.4.2 
 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my questions:


 · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it to 
 notify me then I can plan the upgrade

You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
configuration. As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.


 · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate that 
 this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to do an 
 upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version doesn’t 
 break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. Would the only 
 way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check them with every 
 upgrade?

The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
before doing it on the production server.


 Thanks in advance for your time and help.


 Kind regards,




 Mahomed Hussein
 Senior NOC Engineer

 P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, please 
 help us to win and VOTEhttp://www.dcsawards.com/voting.php for us 
 herehttp://www.dcsawards.com/voting.php

 Tel: +44 (0)1622 230382

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Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-01 Thread Mahomed Hussein
Thanks again for the info. I've bookmarked Selenium and will look into it again 
in a few weeks. I think my main question/concern about the automatic upgrade 
has been answered and that will make things simpler going forward.


Kind regards,



Mahomed Hussein
Senior NOC Engineer

Custodian Data Centre
Tel: +44 (0)1622 230382   ||  Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
Web: www.CustodianDC.com  ||  Info:  http://info.custodiandc.com

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-Original Message-
From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Mortagne
Sent: 01 April 2015 13:09
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Mahomed Hussein
maho...@custodiandc.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas

 Thanks for the quick reply.

 You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
 part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
 because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade.

 This makes things A LOT clearer. Thanks. We have set the Ubuntu server to 
 automatically install updates. I will get this stopped. I have seen that new 
 versions are announced on this mailing list so that is good enough as 
 notification for me :-)

 I'll look into the test server procedure and look at creating a clone. Thanks 
 to the magic of virtualisation, this shouldn't be too difficult. The only 
 minor issues might be IP Address and DNS name (might need to move it to a lab 
 network instead).

 Also any suggestions for checking changes/apps? I assume the simplest way is 
 a document where I note down every change that I've made (maybe at a high 
 level such as Macro names and extensions and skin name etc.)

Best is to avoid as much as possible modifying standard stuff and use
extension mechanism when they exist (even if the upgrade wizard is
applying a 3 ways merge). Now for testing that upgrade did not broke
anything I don't have much more idea than maintaining a list of things
to check (by hand or automatically with something like selenium) after
each upgrade.



 Kind regards,



 Mahomed Hussein
 Senior NOC Engineer

 Custodian Data Centre
 Tel: +44 (0)1622 230382   ||  Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
 Web: www.CustodianDC.com  ||  Info:  http://info.custodiandc.com

 facebook: custodian.datacentre  ||  Twitter: @CustodianDC


 Disclaimer: http://www.custodiandc.com/disclaimer.txt
 Registered Office: Vinters Business Park, New Cut Rd, Maidstone, Kent ME14 
 5NZ. Company Number: 07878023

 -Original Message-
 From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Mortagne
 Sent: 01 April 2015 10:51
 To: XWiki Users
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
 maho...@custodiandc.com wrote:
 Hi

 I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice and 
 pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade wizard 
 automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I pressed 
 “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared to have 
 upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom showed 6.4.3 
 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started with 6.4.2 
 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my questions:


 · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it 
 to notify me then I can plan the upgrade

 You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
 part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
 because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
 don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
 configuration. As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
 not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.


 · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate 
 that this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to 
 do an upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version 
 doesn’t break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. Would 
 the only way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check them with 
 every upgrade?

 The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
 of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
 before doing it on the production server.


 Thanks in advance for your time and help.


 Kind regards,




 Mahomed Hussein
 Senior NOC Engineer

 P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, 
 please help us to win and VOTEhttp://www.dcsawards.com/voting.php for us 
 herehttp://www.dcsawards.com/voting.php

 Tel: +44 (0)1622 230382

  | Email: maho...@custodiandc.com

Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

2015-04-01 Thread Thomas Mortagne
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Mahomed Hussein
maho...@custodiandc.com wrote:
 Hi Thomas

 Thanks for the quick reply.

 You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
 part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
 because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade.

 This makes things A LOT clearer. Thanks. We have set the Ubuntu server to 
 automatically install updates. I will get this stopped. I have seen that new 
 versions are announced on this mailing list so that is good enough as 
 notification for me :-)

 I'll look into the test server procedure and look at creating a clone. Thanks 
 to the magic of virtualisation, this shouldn't be too difficult. The only 
 minor issues might be IP Address and DNS name (might need to move it to a lab 
 network instead).

 Also any suggestions for checking changes/apps? I assume the simplest way is 
 a document where I note down every change that I've made (maybe at a high 
 level such as Macro names and extensions and skin name etc.)

Best is to avoid as much as possible modifying standard stuff and use
extension mechanism when they exist (even if the upgrade wizard is
applying a 3 ways merge). Now for testing that upgrade did not broke
anything I don't have much more idea than maintaining a list of things
to check (by hand or automatically with something like selenium) after
each upgrade.



 Kind regards,



 Mahomed Hussein
 Senior NOC Engineer

 Custodian Data Centre
 Tel: +44 (0)1622 230382   ||  Email: maho...@custodiandc.com
 Web: www.CustodianDC.com  ||  Info:  http://info.custodiandc.com

 facebook: custodian.datacentre  ||  Twitter: @CustodianDC


 Disclaimer: http://www.custodiandc.com/disclaimer.txt
 Registered Office: Vinters Business Park, New Cut Rd, Maidstone, Kent ME14 
 5NZ. Company Number: 07878023

 -Original Message-
 From: users [mailto:users-boun...@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Mortagne
 Sent: 01 April 2015 10:51
 To: XWiki Users
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Advice on upgrade and testing

 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mahomed Hussein
 maho...@custodiandc.com wrote:
 Hi

 I wonder if anyone could be kind enough to provide me with some advice and 
 pointers. I’ve noticed that XWiki runs its distribution upgrade wizard 
 automatically when a new version is detected, but even though I pressed 
 “Later” it still went ahead and upgraded. Or at least it appeared to have 
 upgraded part of the system as the core version at the bottom showed 6.4.3 
 when the extensions etc. were still for 6.4.2. We started with 6.4.2 
 (installed using apt-get on Ubuntu 14.04). So, to summarise my questions:


 · How do I stop Xwiki from automatically upgrading. I just want it 
 to notify me then I can plan the upgrade

 You are mixing two different things. The upgrade wizard is only about
 part of XWiki (the standard wiki pages) and it's been triggered
 because you upgraded the WAR probably using apt-get upgrade. If you
 don't want XWiki to be upgraded by apt-get you need to look at apt-get
 configuration. As far as I know you can indicate a list of packages to
 not be taken into account automatically by apt-get upgrade.


 · How do you perform a controlled upgrade and test (I appreciate 
 that this is a rather in-depth question)? What I need to be able to do is to 
 do an upgrade and then be able to fairly easily test that the new version 
 doesn’t break any of our documents or functionality that we depend on. Would 
 the only way to do this be to keep a list of my changes and check them with 
 every upgrade?

 The safest for this is usually to have a test server which is a clone
 of the production server on which you do the upgrade and test it
 before doing it on the production server.


 Thanks in advance for your time and help.


 Kind regards,




 Mahomed Hussein
 Senior NOC Engineer

 P.S. We are finalists for Data Centre Colocation Supplier of the year, 
 please help us to win and VOTEhttp://www.dcsawards.com/voting.php for us 
 herehttp://www.dcsawards.com/voting.php

 Tel: +44 (0)1622 230382

  | Email: maho...@custodiandc.com


  | Web: www.CustodianDC.comhttp://www.CustodianDC.com


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