Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Hi Joris,
I think that you can accomplish your scenario partially by using the following
macro:
{{include document=TestPage2/}}
That will give you another page linked into yours in the 'in-line' mode.
Unfortunately you cannot edit such
page from the context of your main document.
W dniu 10-11-18 00:56, Joris Dirks wrote:
Real-time editing would be great, but IMHO a real tough job to
accomplish with a complicated markup language as XWiki's. Section
editing is to me/us a great one, too. I'd go even further: in my frame
of mind, a section is nothing different from a page.
I see many users finnicking around, not sure if they should put
everything on a topic in one page with headers, or splitting the text
in different pages.
As we already have hierarchy, it would make sense to me to let users
just create a new 'sub-page' below their current content. That
sub-page is, in the data model, just a child with a weight set; for
the original page, a property is set like: content splitted in child
pages, include every child in order of ascending weight.
In fact, before I migrated to XWiki I wanted to use Wiki from Liferay and since
their implementation doesn't
support sections at all, I had a plan to substitute them like in your idea.
Unfortunately this cannot be
done without an application model redesign ( like how to handle subdocument
reindexing if you add/remove
something from the middle of structure etc. ).
What I want to say is that currently I'd opt for the simplest solutions because
they don't need a lot of
work with implementation :)
Regards,
Piotr
Did I make any sense to you guys?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.]
ricardo.rodrig...@ebiotic.net wrote:
Piotr Dziubecki wrote:
W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote:
Piotr Dziubecki wrote:
W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote:
Piotr Dziubecki wrote:
Hi :)
W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote:
Hi!
Piotr Dziubecki wrote:
Hello :)
I configured my XWiki instance in the following way:
#-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing.
xwiki.section.edit=1
#-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section
editing.
#-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing.
xwiki.section.depth=6
I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to
minimize document locking and possible
merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I
noticed that when, for instance, two users
edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the
message:
This object is currently locked by user1
I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of
concurrent changes to that document, but the
message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's
possible to change xwiki configuration to
not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs
within the same page ?
To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if
any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message.
I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems
following the same problem. When an user received this message,
although
she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they
are
in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a
document using the same user at two different locations, you won't
receive the locking message.
Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular
way of collaborative editing (
avoiding the whole page locks ).
I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current
MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a
warning only if two users edit the same section?
Thanks!
To be sure, I did some tests here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox
no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to
get through the merge phase. In that
case you see such a message:
Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The
upper text area contains the page text
as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area.
You will have to merge your changes
into the existing text.
Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki
sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here!
Just summing up:
Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts:
1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current
XWiki release.
Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or
maybe there is a 'merge plugin' -
I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the
article content overridden by
someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try
to fix
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
HI Piotr,
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Piotr Dziubecki deep...@man.poznan.pl wrote:
Hi Joris,
I think that you can accomplish your scenario partially by using the
following macro:
{{include document=TestPage2/}}
That will give you another page linked into yours in the 'in-line' mode.
Unfortunately you cannot edit such
page from the context of your main document.
Thanks, that's indeed the modus we are using right now. Yet it isn't
easy enough :)
W dniu 10-11-18 00:56, Joris Dirks wrote:
Real-time editing would be great, but IMHO a real tough job to
accomplish with a complicated markup language as XWiki's. Section
editing is to me/us a great one, too. I'd go even further: in my frame
of mind, a section is nothing different from a page.
I see many users finnicking around, not sure if they should put
everything on a topic in one page with headers, or splitting the text
in different pages.
As we already have hierarchy, it would make sense to me to let users
just create a new 'sub-page' below their current content. That
sub-page is, in the data model, just a child with a weight set; for
the original page, a property is set like: content splitted in child
pages, include every child in order of ascending weight.
In fact, before I migrated to XWiki I wanted to use Wiki from Liferay and
since their implementation doesn't
support sections at all, I had a plan to substitute them like in your idea.
Unfortunately this cannot be
done without an application model redesign ( like how to handle subdocument
reindexing if you add/remove
something from the middle of structure etc. ).
What I want to say is that currently I'd opt for the simplest solutions
because they don't need a lot of
work with implementation :)
Regards,
Piotr
Did I make any sense to you guys?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.]
ricardo.rodrig...@ebiotic.net wrote:
Piotr Dziubecki wrote:
W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote:
Piotr Dziubecki wrote:
W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote:
Piotr Dziubecki wrote:
Hi :)
W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote:
Hi!
Piotr Dziubecki wrote:
Hello :)
I configured my XWiki instance in the following way:
#-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing.
xwiki.section.edit=1
#-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section
editing.
#-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing.
xwiki.section.depth=6
I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order
to minimize document locking and possible
merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I
noticed that when, for instance, two users
edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the
message:
This object is currently locked by user1
I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of
concurrent changes to that document, but the
message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's
possible to change xwiki configuration to
not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs
within the same page ?
To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So,
if
any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message.
I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems
following the same problem. When an user received this message,
although
she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they
are
in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a
document using the same user at two different locations, you won't
receive the locking message.
Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular
way of collaborative editing (
avoiding the whole page locks ).
I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current
MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a
warning only if two users edit the same section?
Thanks!
To be sure, I did some tests here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox
no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to
get through the merge phase. In that
case you see such a message:
Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The
upper text area contains the page text
as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area.
You will have to merge your changes
into the existing text.
Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki
sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here!
Just summing up:
Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts:
1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current
XWiki release.
Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or
maybe there is a 'merge plugin' -
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Real-time editing would be great, but IMHO a real tough job to accomplish with a complicated markup language as XWiki's. Section editing is to me/us a great one, too. I'd go even further: in my frame of mind, a section is nothing different from a page. I see many users finnicking around, not sure if they should put everything on a topic in one page with headers, or splitting the text in different pages. As we already have hierarchy, it would make sense to me to let users just create a new 'sub-page' below their current content. That sub-page is, in the data model, just a child with a weight set; for the original page, a property is set like: content splitted in child pages, include every child in order of ascending weight. Did I make any sense to you guys? On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] ricardo.rodrig...@ebiotic.net wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
W dniu 10-11-13 09:50, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present XWiki to a new group of users, this is the question I would like to avoid: how XWiki manage concurrent edition? I talk about locking behaviour and a future real-time editor, but this is not a good answer at all. To use instant messaging to agree on a timetable to edit a
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
On 11/15/2010 11:23 AM, Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-13 09:50, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present XWiki to a new group of users, this is the question I would like to avoid: how XWiki manage concurrent edition? I talk about locking behaviour and a future real-time editor, but this is not a good answer at all. To use
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
W dniu 10-11-15 11:34, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: On 11/15/2010 11:23 AM, Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-13 09:50, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present XWiki to a new group of users, this is the question I would like to avoid: how XWiki manage concurrent edition? I talk about locking behaviour and a future real-time
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
On 11/15/2010 12:03 PM, Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-15 11:34, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: On 11/15/2010 11:23 AM, Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-13 09:50, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present XWiki to a new group of users, this is the question I would like to avoid: how XWiki manage concurrent edition? I talk
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-13 09:50, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
W dniu 10-11-15 12:14, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: On 11/15/2010 12:03 PM, Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-15 11:34, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: On 11/15/2010 11:23 AM, Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-13 09:50, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present XWiki to a new group of users, this is the question I would like to
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
W dniu 10-11-15 14:18, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-13 09:50, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present XWiki to a new group of users, this is the question I would like to avoid: how XWiki manage concurrent edition? I talk about locking behaviour and a future real-time
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present XWiki to a new group of users, this is the question I would like to avoid: how XWiki manage concurrent edition? I talk about locking behaviour and a future real-time editor, but this
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. 2. Locking is done at document level. Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe we could figure out a solution for that issue. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing fine ;) ) It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. Looking forward to your feedback guys ! Regards, Piotr ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. But the solution to this situation is on its way! Are you aware of this? http://markmail.org/thread/erlky73x5np3gllh Hope this helps! Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez CTO eBioTIC. Life Sciences, Data Modeling and Information Management Systems ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). In fact it was one of the reason I've chosen XWiki ( possibility to edit sections ). In my case, it could happen that several people work on the same document at once, so sections could preserve the separation of their work. But the solution to this situation is on its way! Are you aware of this? http://markmail.org/thread/erlky73x5np3gllh That is really interesting, will try it if that's possible. Hope this helps! Ricardo Thank you Ricardo ! Regards, Piotr ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! In fact it was one of the reason I've chosen XWiki ( possibility to edit sections ). In my case, it could happen that several people work on the same document at once, so sections could preserve the separation of their work. But the solution to this situation is on its way! Are you aware of this? http://markmail.org/thread/erlky73x5np3gllh That is really interesting, will try it if that's possible. Hope this helps! Ricardo Thank you Ricardo ! Regards, Piotr ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- Ricardo Rodríguez CTO eBioTIC. Life Sciences, Data Modeling and Information Management Systems ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Cheers, Piotr In fact it was one of the reason I've chosen XWiki ( possibility to edit sections ). In my case, it could happen that several people work on the same document at once, so sections could preserve the separation of their work. But the solution to this situation is on its way! Are you aware of this? http://markmail.org/thread/erlky73x5np3gllh That is really interesting, will try it if that's possible. Hope this helps! Ricardo Thank you Ricardo ! Regards, Piotr ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Piotr Dziubecki wrote: W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hi :) W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: Hi! Piotr Dziubecki wrote: Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems following the same problem. When an user received this message, although she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a document using the same user at two different locations, you won't receive the locking message. Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( avoiding the whole page locks ). I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a warning only if two users edit the same section? Thanks! To be sure, I did some tests here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that case you see such a message: Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes into the existing text. Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! Just summing up: 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current XWiki release. 2. Locking is done at document level. 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will solve all these issues! It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! In fact it was one of the reason I've chosen XWiki ( possibility to edit sections ). In my case, it could happen that several people work on the same document at once, so sections could preserve the separation of their work. But the solution to this situation is on its way! Are you aware of this? http://markmail.org/thread/erlky73x5np3gllh That is really interesting, will try it if that's possible. Hope this helps! Ricardo Thank you Ricardo ! Regards, Piotr ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez CTO eBioTIC. Life Sciences, Data Modeling and Information Management Systems ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing
Hello :) I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. xwiki.section.edit=1 #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. xwiki.section.depth=6 I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: This object is currently locked by user1 I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? Regards, Piotr ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
