Re: [xwiki-users] XWiki WorkSpaces for public service

2008-03-17 Thread Jerome Velociter
 Congratulation to the XWiki team for the first release! and thanks for
 your
 replies.

 I didn't realize I'v tried it before your release notice! :-) (as I
 thought
 it was released some time in the last week) Anyway, I've been actively
 waiting for it.

 The key decision is just whether I should use XE and copy the XWS
 functions,
 or hack the code and request for features to allow XWS be used for public
 service. It seems obviously that the latter option is much better. As
 mentioned before, it's for a JUG. The use cases are straightforward:

- a global blog+wiki+photo that is readable by anonymous users and
editable by a few committee members, (maybe comment by registered
 users)
- Some spaces for collaboration works that any registered member are
editable, and
- every user could create his own space.

 The functions are pretty much there already. The key missing thing is just
 making the global space publicly accessible. I'll fire some Jira issues
 later.  Thanks.

If you are ready to look under the hood, we can definitely help you
realizing that. Actually having your organization's space visible by
unregistered users is not very hard. Once its created, you can do as
follow (logged as Admin):

- Click the Administration link in the XWiki toolbar
- Click the Space rights tab in the administration page
- Select your organization top-level space in the drop-down list (the one
without any suffix: Space_MyOrganization, not Space_MyOrganization_Wiki or
Space_MyOrganization_Blog)
- Once its loaded, click twice the checkbox for unregistered users under
view to have it green-checked (it should appear with a red circle at
first).
- ... and your done! The _Wiki, _Blog, etc. spaces will inherit their
rights from that top-level one, so you shouldn't have anything to do for
them.

If you want to have registered users able to comment, you can check the
comment box for XWikiAllGroup as well.

Hope this helps,
Jerome.


 Regards,
 mingfai

 On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Vincent Massol [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


 On Mar 17, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Mingfai wrote:

 hi,

 I wonder if I'm the first few outside people to try XWS milestone 1. :-)

 Well, I'm evaluating the XWiki series of products for my Java User Group
 in Hong Kong. XWS looks better than XE to me and it seems XWS allows
 every
 user to create his/her own space of blog, wiki, photo and files, that
 perfectly fit my needs. I wonder:

- could XWS provide public registration, and anonymous
(/non-logged-in) user access mode?
- could XE actually do all XWS can do and I should use XE for public
service? In fact, I feel XE has steeper learning curve than XWS. It
 seems XE
does not provide individual blog, photo and file spaces

 XE can do everything. It's a second generation wiki. All XWiki products
 are based on XE (and the underlying platform). For example even if in XE
 you
 have one blog by default, nothing prevents you to create as many as you
 want
 in the way you want them to be (you can imagine any kind of use case).

 XWS is definitely meant to be a wrapper around XE to make it simpler and
 to provide a solution which is oriented towards personal work spaces
 that
 you can share with others. XE is generic, XWS implements a specific
 solution
 based on work groups.

 Thus if XWS matches your needs you should definitely use it over XE.

 Thanks
 -Vincent


- any pointer if I want to limit one user to create only one space?
- could anyone point me to where I may be able to customize the
space name and url? basically, the use of Space_ as prefix look
 quite odd
to me and i would like to remove it. And if it is possible i would
 want to
make the url shorter. Currently, it's something like: 
http://mydomain.com/xwiki/bin/view/Space_username/;, i am able to
remove the context xwiki, and i suppose it shouldn't be difficult
 to turn
Space_username to username. It's most desirable to turn bin/view to
 nothing
or make it a single folder, e.g. remove /bin (i suppose the
action cannot be removed.)

 regarding URL, i wonder if the developers like to go to the REST-ful
 direction. Some people think in REST-ful URL only resource but not
 action
 should be put as the path. (certainly, i understand in using Struts,
 some
 options may not be available)

 Thank you very much.

 Regards,
 mingfai


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Re: [xwiki-users] XWiki WorkSpaces for public service

2008-03-17 Thread Guillaume Lerouge

 [Snip]

 - Click the Administration link in the XWiki toolbar


You can access the Administration toolbar by moving your mose over the small
icon at the top left of the page (the tools on a transparent background, you
maight not see them if you're not using Firefox), on hover the menu will
unfold and provide you with the Administration link Jérome is talking
about (which is different from the Global Admin link on a red background).

- Click the Space rights tab in the administration page
 - Select your organization top-level space in the drop-down list (the one
 without any suffix: Space_MyOrganization, not Space_MyOrganization_Wiki or
 Space_MyOrganization_Blog)
 - Once its loaded, click twice the checkbox for unregistered users under
 view to have it green-checked (it should appear with a red circle at
 first).
 - ... and your done! The _Wiki, _Blog, etc. spaces will inherit their
 rights from that top-level one, so you shouldn't have anything to do for
 them.

 If you want to have registered users able to comment, you can check the
 comment box for XWikiAllGroup as well.


Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives... We'll be glad to have a
reference from you added on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/once you're done ;-)

Guillaume
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Re: [xwiki-users] XWiki WorkSpaces for public service

2008-03-17 Thread Mingfai
Congratulation to the XWiki team for the first release! and thanks for your
replies.

I didn't realize I'v tried it before your release notice! :-) (as I thought
it was released some time in the last week) Anyway, I've been actively
waiting for it.

The key decision is just whether I should use XE and copy the XWS functions,
or hack the code and request for features to allow XWS be used for public
service. It seems obviously that the latter option is much better. As
mentioned before, it's for a JUG. The use cases are straightforward:

   - a global blog+wiki+photo that is readable by anonymous users and
   editable by a few committee members, (maybe comment by registered users)
   - Some spaces for collaboration works that any registered member are
   editable, and
   - every user could create his own space.

The functions are pretty much there already. The key missing thing is just
making the global space publicly accessible. I'll fire some Jira issues
later.  Thanks.

Regards,
mingfai

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Vincent Massol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Mar 17, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Mingfai wrote:

 hi,

 I wonder if I'm the first few outside people to try XWS milestone 1. :-)

 Well, I'm evaluating the XWiki series of products for my Java User Group
 in Hong Kong. XWS looks better than XE to me and it seems XWS allows every
 user to create his/her own space of blog, wiki, photo and files, that
 perfectly fit my needs. I wonder:

- could XWS provide public registration, and anonymous
(/non-logged-in) user access mode?
- could XE actually do all XWS can do and I should use XE for public
service? In fact, I feel XE has steeper learning curve than XWS. It seems 
 XE
does not provide individual blog, photo and file spaces

 XE can do everything. It's a second generation wiki. All XWiki products
 are based on XE (and the underlying platform). For example even if in XE you
 have one blog by default, nothing prevents you to create as many as you want
 in the way you want them to be (you can imagine any kind of use case).

 XWS is definitely meant to be a wrapper around XE to make it simpler and
 to provide a solution which is oriented towards personal work spaces that
 you can share with others. XE is generic, XWS implements a specific solution
 based on work groups.

 Thus if XWS matches your needs you should definitely use it over XE.

 Thanks
 -Vincent


- any pointer if I want to limit one user to create only one space?
- could anyone point me to where I may be able to customize the
space name and url? basically, the use of Space_ as prefix look quite odd
to me and i would like to remove it. And if it is possible i would want to
make the url shorter. Currently, it's something like: 
http://mydomain.com/xwiki/bin/view/Space_username/;, i am able to
remove the context xwiki, and i suppose it shouldn't be difficult to turn
Space_username to username. It's most desirable to turn bin/view to nothing
or make it a single folder, e.g. remove /bin (i suppose the
action cannot be removed.)

 regarding URL, i wonder if the developers like to go to the REST-ful
 direction. Some people think in REST-ful URL only resource but not action
 should be put as the path. (certainly, i understand in using Struts, some
 options may not be available)

 Thank you very much.

 Regards,
 mingfai


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Re: [xwiki-users] XWiki WorkSpaces for public service

2008-03-17 Thread Mingfai
Thanks Jerome and Guillaume,

I followed Jerome's detailed instruction and did it. I just realize the
Admin tool bar still exists. And in IE 6 there is no small icon, and in IE 7
the bar doesn't slide in. And btw, I got a little confusion as I don't know
how to save after the green arrow is on. (it's ok now.)

just two quick questions:

   1. could the registration page be set to public in the same way? I
   don't see a Register or similar page on the list
   2. by default, /xwiki links to /xwiki/bin/login/XWiki/XWikiLogin , how
   could i make it direct to other page? like dashboard or wiki or blog page of
   the global space? I think i've checked all admin pages (but not yet scanned
   all doc)

Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives... We'll be glad to have a
reference from you added on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/once you're done ;-)

Sure, I'll put up a beta site a few hours later. It may be a better to add
to the References page after my site is stabilized. So far I can't find a
better option than XWS for building a organization wiki + member publishing
and sharing site.

Regards,
mingfai

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Guillaume Lerouge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 [Snip]
 
  - Click the Administration link in the XWiki toolbar
 

 You can access the Administration toolbar by moving your mose over the
 small icon at the top left of the page (the tools on a transparent
 background, you maight not see them if you're not using Firefox), on hover
 the menu will unfold and provide you with the Administration link Jérome
 is talking about (which is different from the Global Admin link on a red
 background).

 - Click the Space rights tab in the administration page
  - Select your organization top-level space in the drop-down list (the
  one
  without any suffix: Space_MyOrganization, not Space_MyOrganization_Wiki
  or
  Space_MyOrganization_Blog)
  - Once its loaded, click twice the checkbox for unregistered users under
  view to have it green-checked (it should appear with a red circle at
  first).
  - ... and your done! The _Wiki, _Blog, etc. spaces will inherit their
  rights from that top-level one, so you shouldn't have anything to do for
  them.
 
  If you want to have registered users able to comment, you can check the
  comment box for XWikiAllGroup as well.


 Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives... We'll be glad to have a
 reference from you added on
 http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/ once you're done ;-)

 Guillaume



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Re: [xwiki-users] XWiki WorkSpaces for public service

2008-03-17 Thread Jerome Velociter
 Thanks Jerome and Guillaume,

 I followed Jerome's detailed instruction and did it. I just realize the
 Admin tool bar still exists. And in IE 6 there is no small icon, and in IE
 7
 the bar doesn't slide in. And btw, I got a little confusion as I don't
 know
 how to save after the green arrow is on. (it's ok now.)

 just two quick questions:

1. could the registration page be set to public in the same way? I
don't see a Register or similar page on the list

Yes, you can check the register box for unregistered users, and a
register link will appear on the top right corner for non authenticated
users. The only issue is that XWS action bar does not provide a register
link yet. What you can do now is edit the content of your organization's
space home, and provide this link :
http://yourserver/xwiki/bin/register/XWiki/Register

2. by default, /xwiki links to /xwiki/bin/login/XWiki/XWikiLogin , how
could i make it direct to other page? like dashboard or wiki or blog
 page of
the global space? I think i've checked all admin pages (but not yet
 scanned
all doc)

You can edit Main.WebHome, and change the redirection for non
authenticated users ($context.user==XWiki.XWikiGuest) to your
organization space WebHome.

Hope this helps. Regards,
Jerome.

PS: Thank you for the JIRA issues you raised ;)

Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives... We'll be glad to have a
 reference from you added on
 http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/once you're done ;-)

 Sure, I'll put up a beta site a few hours later. It may be a better to add
 to the References page after my site is stabilized. So far I can't find a
 better option than XWS for building a organization wiki + member
 publishing
 and sharing site.

 Regards,
 mingfai

 On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Guillaume Lerouge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 [Snip]
 
  - Click the Administration link in the XWiki toolbar
 

 You can access the Administration toolbar by moving your mose over the
 small icon at the top left of the page (the tools on a transparent
 background, you maight not see them if you're not using Firefox), on
 hover
 the menu will unfold and provide you with the Administration link
 Jérome
 is talking about (which is different from the Global Admin link on a
 red
 background).

 - Click the Space rights tab in the administration page
  - Select your organization top-level space in the drop-down list (the
  one
  without any suffix: Space_MyOrganization, not
 Space_MyOrganization_Wiki
  or
  Space_MyOrganization_Blog)
  - Once its loaded, click twice the checkbox for unregistered users
 under
  view to have it green-checked (it should appear with a red circle at
  first).
  - ... and your done! The _Wiki, _Blog, etc. spaces will inherit their
  rights from that top-level one, so you shouldn't have anything to do
 for
  them.
 
  If you want to have registered users able to comment, you can check
 the
  comment box for XWikiAllGroup as well.


 Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives... We'll be glad to have a
 reference from you added on
 http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/ once you're done ;-)

 Guillaume



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