[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread Tom
Hi :)
I think the Design Team's mailing list address is 
des...@global.libreoffice.org
It might be good to forwards your last email to them.  I think they can help
you set-up some space in the LibreOffice wiki for uploading test-files to.  

Also they would probably be glad to see new people join so if you or anyone
else wants to join in then please  do! :)
Regards from 
Tom :)  




chimak111 wrote
 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM, M Henri wrote:
 
 It is only when we come to the scalable apps, which are saved as
 .svg files, that we see the sizes 
 you mentioned ; under usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps, I find, just
 as you mentioned, that 
 storing libreoffice-calc.svg requires some 1.3 MB. 
*
 My question is - what would happen if the LO 
 apps were simply removed from this folder
*
  ; would that influence use of the programme in any 
 important way ?...
 
Henri   
 
 
 Hi, and thank you for confirming what I saw regarding the scalable apps...
 
 Now, I did not remove those files. Instead, I made smaller svg files, ~
 700 
*
 bytes
*
  each for base, calc, draw, impress, and writer files and ~ 450 bytes for
 the start-center-related files. I gave them the corresponding file names
 and replaced the bloated ones with the smaller ones. And, so far, I can
 still open LibreOffice just fine. So I still don't know what part those
 files play and why they're there.
 
 If you're interested, here's my replacement code for the calc svg file
 :) Obviously, it doesn't look the same but it gets the point across ;)

 
 svg width=166 height=205 xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
   
 rect ry=9 rx=9 id=svg_21 height=194 width=156 y=5.5 x=5
 stroke-width=5 stroke=#91E185 fill=#7f7f7f/
   
 path fill=#91E185 stroke-width=5 d=m83,7l76,1l0,68l-76,-69z
 id=svg_22 stroke-linejoin=round/
   
 path stroke=#999 id=svg_24
 d=m81,5.5l7,-0.5l73.5,67.5l0,7l-81,-74l0.5,0z stroke-width=5
 fill=#999/
   
 text font-weight=bold xml:space=preserve text-anchor=middle
 font-family=Monospace font-size=134 id=svg_1 y=155 x=83
 fill=#91E185
 C
 /text
 /svg

 
 To view it as an svg file, paste the code into a text editor, and save the
 file with any prefix but the 
*
 suffix must be .svg
*
 . You can then view the file with your default image viewer.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread chimak111
Tom wrote
 Hi :)
 I think the Design Team's mailing list address is 
 des...@global.libreoffice.org...

Tom, thanks for your response. I threw libreoffice design team menu icons
into a Google search and came up with several useful links which I'm
including below:
http://user-prompt.com/portfolio/libreoffice/
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/threads.html

Plus, there is:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
which I'll try at the risk of being ignored. Designers are artists and
artists aren't concerned with trivial things such as file sizes ;)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks :)
Without clicking on those links i suspect that the 2 wiki ones
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
are the important ones.  The others are probably suggestions that may not have 
reached the Design Team yet (or they may have been rough drafts that did reach 
the wiki eventually)
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 11:32
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice 
(Linux)?
 

Tom wrote
 Hi :)
 I think the Design Team's mailing list address is 
 des...@global.libreoffice.org...

Tom, thanks for your response. I threw libreoffice design team menu icons
into a Google search and came up with several useful links which I'm
including below:
http://user-prompt.com/portfolio/libreoffice/
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/threads.html

Plus, there is:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
which I'll try at the risk of being ignored. Designers are artists and
artists aren't concerned with trivial things such as file sizes ;)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread M Henri Day
2013/5/22 chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com


 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM, M Henri wrote:

  It is only when we come to the scalable apps, which are saved as
  .svg files, that we see the sizes
  you mentioned ; under usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps, I find, just
 as
  you mentioned, that
  storing libreoffice-calc.svg requires some 1.3 MB. *My question is - what
  would happen if the LO
  apps were simply removed from this folder* ; would that influence use of
  the programme in any
  important way ?...

 Henri


 Hi, and thank you for confirming what I saw regarding the scalable apps...

 Now, I did not remove those files. Instead, I made smaller svg files, ~ 700
 *bytes* each for base, calc, draw, impress, and writer files and ~ 450
 bytes
 for the start-center-related files. I gave them the corresponding file
 names
 and replaced the bloated ones with the smaller ones. And, so far, I can
 still open LibreOffice just fine. So I still don't know what part those
 files play and why they're there.

 If you're interested, here's my replacement code for the calc svg file :)
 Obviously, it doesn't look the same but it gets the point across ;)


 svg width=166 height=205 xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
   rect ry=9 rx=9 id=svg_21 height=194 width=156 y=5.5 x=5
 stroke-width=5 stroke=#91E185 fill=#7f7f7f/
   path fill=#91E185 stroke-width=5 d=m83,7l76,1l0,68l-76,-69z
 id=svg_22 stroke-linejoin=round/
   path stroke=#999 id=svg_24
 d=m81,5.5l7,-0.5l73.5,67.5l0,7l-81,-74l0.5,0z stroke-width=5
 fill=#999/
   text font-weight=bold xml:space=preserve text-anchor=middle
 font-family=Monospace font-size=134 id=svg_1 y=155 x=83
 fill=#91E185C/text
 /svg


 To view it as an svg file, paste the code into a text editor, and save the
 file with any prefix but the *suffix must be .svg*. You can then view the
 file with your default image viewer.


Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
those bloatted .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
that we «still don't know what part those
files play and why they're there» -  or for that mattter, why they are so
large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
enlightenment !...

Henri

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread chimak111
M Henri Day wrote
 ...
 Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
 those bloatted .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
 that we «still don't know what part those
 files play and why they're there» -  or for that mattter, why they are so
 large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
 enlightenment !...
 
 Henri
 ...

Hi Henri, I've also posted here:
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05867.html
That mailing list seems more appropriate. Let us hope someone answers :)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread M Henri Day
2013/5/22 chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com

 M Henri Day wrote
  ...
  Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
  those bloatted .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
  that we «still don't know what part those
  files play and why they're there» -  or for that mattter, why they are so
  large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
  enlightenment !...
 
  Henri
  ...

 Hi Henri, I've also posted here:
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05867.html
 That mailing list seems more appropriate. Let us hope someone answers :)


In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that interested
parties can see the reply ?...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The linked-to thread seems to only have 1 post?  It links to a Nabble thread 
that also only has 1 post.  

I think there is a bit of confusion here.  Whichever system you use to make 
posts they all go into the same back-end.  Then whichever front-end people use 
they all get to see all those messages that are stored in the backend.  This 
means you can view the list and post to the list using Nabble as the front-end 
but people using GMane or normal emails also get to see all those posts (and 
are able to respond using their front-end).  

This whole back-end - front-end thing really confuses a lot of people.  It's 
one of the main blockers that prevents people from realising just how much 
easier it would be to use Base instead of Calc (or Access instead of Excel (if 
you don't mind the vendor lock-in)) for all sorts of things.  Ideally people 
would use Base instead of Excel, obviously, but that is 2 hurdles to cross.  
Just lately i got into Ssh'ing and that uses the term server, vs client to 
mean much the same thing
server ~ back-end
client ~ front-end
Of course it's not quite that simple but it helped me understand it.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com
To: chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 17:09
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice 
(Linux)?
 

2013/5/22 chimak111 chimak...@gmail.com

 M Henri Day wrote
  ...
  Hullo, Hitesh/chimak111 ! And thanks for posting your code for replacing
  those bloated .svg files ! The point is, precisely as you write above,
  that we «still don't know what part those
  files play and why they're there» -  or for that mattter, why they are so
  large. Hope some knowledgeable user or developer can contribute to our
  enlightenment !...
 
  Henri
  ...

 Hi Henri, I've also posted here:
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05867.html
 That mailing list seems more appropriate. Let us hope someone answers :)


In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that interested
parties can see the reply ?...

Henri

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread chimak111
M Henri Day wrote
 In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that
 interested
 parties can see the reply ?...
 
 Henri

Hi, I got an answer from Christian Lohmaier in that other thread. His reply
is here: 
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05868.html
You should be able to access that link from your browser without any
problem. But just to be safe, I will forward his answer to you :) 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-22 Thread V Stuart Foote
chimak111 wrote
 
 M Henri Day wrote
 In that case, could you please post back to this thread, so that
 interested
 parties can see the reply ?...
 
 Henri
 Hi, I got an answer from Christian Lohmaier in that other thread. His
 reply is here: 
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05868.html
 You should be able to access that link from your browser without any
 problem. But just to be safe, I will forward his answer to you :)

Actually,  both threads are available for review in full at Nabble.

This from the Users mail list at--
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-such-large-svg-files-in-LibreOffice-Linux-tp4056944.html

And the other response from the Design mail lists at--
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Size-of-LibreOffice-svg-files-tp4057288.html

The Document Foundation maintains the Nabble archive because it is very
efficient in keeping the mail lists organized and accessible to all
interested users.  It has a fairly robust search capability. And, the Nabble
service also brokers subscription to the respective lists. 

Non-subscribers CAN post onto any of the Nabble mail list archives--but
message will be held for moderation when posting to a non-subscribed list.

Poke through Nabble, it is a useful resource.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-21 Thread chimak111

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM, M Henri wrote:

 It is only when we come to the scalable apps, which are saved as
 .svg files, that we see the sizes 
 you mentioned ; under usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps, I find, just as
 you mentioned, that 
 storing libreoffice-calc.svg requires some 1.3 MB. *My question is - what
 would happen if the LO 
 apps were simply removed from this folder* ; would that influence use of
 the programme in any 
 important way ?...

Henri   


Hi, and thank you for confirming what I saw regarding the scalable apps...

Now, I did not remove those files. Instead, I made smaller svg files, ~ 700
*bytes* each for base, calc, draw, impress, and writer files and ~ 450 bytes
for the start-center-related files. I gave them the corresponding file names
and replaced the bloated ones with the smaller ones. And, so far, I can
still open LibreOffice just fine. So I still don't know what part those
files play and why they're there.

If you're interested, here's my replacement code for the calc svg file :)
Obviously, it doesn't look the same but it gets the point across ;)


svg width=166 height=205 xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
  rect ry=9 rx=9 id=svg_21 height=194 width=156 y=5.5 x=5
stroke-width=5 stroke=#91E185 fill=#7f7f7f/
  path fill=#91E185 stroke-width=5 d=m83,7l76,1l0,68l-76,-69z
id=svg_22 stroke-linejoin=round/
  path stroke=#999 id=svg_24
d=m81,5.5l7,-0.5l73.5,67.5l0,7l-81,-74l0.5,0z stroke-width=5
fill=#999/
  text font-weight=bold xml:space=preserve text-anchor=middle
font-family=Monospace font-size=134 id=svg_1 y=155 x=83
fill=#91E185C/text
/svg


To view it as an svg file, paste the code into a text editor, and save the
file with any prefix but the *suffix must be .svg*. You can then view the
file with your default image viewer.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-20 Thread Luuk

On 20-05-2013 08:49, chimak111 wrote:

I installed LibreOffice Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID:
4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) direct from
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ on Lubuntu 13.04. While I have no
issues with it [I]per se[/I], I think it has installed some svg files in
/usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps that are really horrible.

These svg files are several hundred kB in size and one,
libreoffice4.0-calc.svg, is 1.3 MB. Opening that particular svg file in
Firefox 22 or an image viewer takes a while. This is on a Core2Duo laptop
with 4GB RAM.

I really don't see the need for such bloated svg files. When I inspected it
with a text editor and with svg-edit.html
(https://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/), it's clear to see that there's just
so much garbage in there. Grrr...

Do these svg files have any purpose at all? I don't think it's fair to
include such large svg files as part of the installation.




I dont understand the problem

The files (libreoffice*.svg) take up only 98.89% space within that 
directory


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-20 Thread chimak111
Luuk wrote
 ...

 Do these svg files have any purpose at all? I don't think it's fair to
 include such large svg files as part of the installation.


 
 I dont understand the problem
 
 The files (libreoffice*.svg) take up 
*
 only 98.89% space
*
  within that 
 directory
 
 ;)

So you do understand! 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-20 Thread Tom
Hi :)
Perhaps the Design Team might be worth contacting about it?  They might like
to have some input on redesigning the images.  It sounds like they didn't
have much input in the first place tbh
Regards from 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Why such large svg files in LibreOffice (Linux)?

2013-05-20 Thread chimak111
Tom wrote
 ...
 Perhaps the Design Team might be worth contacting about it?...

Hi, one of the reasons I posted here, in the user-to-user section, was to
know if others see the same large (for .svg) files. If others don't, it's
possible that those files crept in from some other source (which I very
much doubt).
Anyway, would you happen to know the exact link where I should ask about
these files?



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