Re: [libreoffice-users] A (sane) way of doing bullets and numbering
On 02/08/2013 08:02 AM, sun shine wrote: Hi list One of the biggest (personal) bugbears I have with LibO (and OOo before this) is the issue of numbering and bulleting. It just seems counter-intuitive to me and is one of the very few areas where I think that MS has a better approach. I have a numbered list in a table and now I want sub-numbers, such as: 1. text text text text text 1.1. text text text text 1.2. text text text text 2. text text text text text However two things happen: (1) I have to manually play around with the sub-number positions so that there isn't (a) a large tab space between the number and the start of the text and (b) the sub-number is aligned reasonably close to the main number; and (2) the text of the sub-number (e.g. 1.1.) does not align itself to where the text for that sub-number starts. Instead, it goes all the way to align with the main number (e.g. 1.). This is difficult to reproduce using the email but basically it looks really sloppy, and I don't know how to set it up so that the numbers and sub-numbers and the associated text align in blocks. I think that there is something I might be able to do with a style page - but that seems like a lot of work just to get some numbers aligned. Any ideas/ suggestions? Thanks You are using a numbering style in the Styles and Formatting window (List styles)? It appears so, because I don't know how to use sub-numbers without using this style. There are three values that determine where numbering and text appears on a given line of the list: the distance from the beginning of numbering to the beginning of text,where the numbering begins, and where additional lines for a given sub-number begin. These are controlled in the Position page (tab) of the numbering style you are using. It should be easier to enter values in the following order: Aligned at, Numbering followed by, and Indent at. In fact in my experience, Numbering followed by and Indent at are usually the same value. This way the text in succeeding lines line up with the text of the top line for a given number or sub-number. Aligned at: This is where the numbering begins. For the top level of the list, use this to determine how much of an indent the entire list will have. For the each of the succeeding levels, use the same value as you used in Numbering followed by in the level above it. Numbering followed by and Indent at are very similar. Both are the positions for text. Numbering followed by is where text begins on the first line for a given number or sub-number. Indent at is where the text begins on the succeeding lines. (You are having problems with both of these.) Of these two, Numbering followed by is the more important. That is because you need to be concerned with the difference between Numbering followed by and Aligned at. This difference is the length available for the number or sub-number. If either is longer than the allowed length, Writer begins the text at the next tab stop producing the wide tab space you notice. The default value in Numbering 1 list style for Numbering followed by is 0.5 and the Aligned at 0.25. The difference is 0.25. For the LibreOffice documents Numbering followed by is 0.51 and the Aligned at 0.39. the difference is 0.12. The reason for the slight difference is documentation tends to have longer numbers and sub-numbers (especially the latter). Here are some suggested steps that might help: 1.) For level 1, set Aligned at with what you want the left side of the list to be. Set the Numbering followed followed by next. Just make sure the difference between these two is greater than the longest level one number. Now set Indent at to be the same as Numbering followed by. 2.) For level 2 and beyond: Set Aligned at to be the same as Numbering followed by of the level above it. Set Numbering followed by to be greater than the longest sub-number for this level. Set Aligned at to equal Numbering followed by. One additional point. You probably want the difference between Numbering followed by and Aligned by to be the same for all levels. If this is the case, you need to determine what will be the largest of these values. Then use this to determine what each of the Numbering followed by should be. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A (sane) way of doing bullets and numbering
On 09/02/13 16:34, Dan Lewis wrote: On 02/08/2013 08:02 AM, sun shine wrote: Hi list One of the biggest (personal) bugbears I have with LibO (and OOo before this) is the issue of numbering and bulleting. It just seems counter-intuitive to me and is one of the very few areas where I think that MS has a better approach. I have a numbered list in a table and now I want sub-numbers, such as: 1. text text text text text 1.1. text text text text 1.2. text text text text 2. text text text text text However two things happen: (1) I have to manually play around with the sub-number positions so that there isn't (a) a large tab space between the number and the start of the text and (b) the sub-number is aligned reasonably close to the main number; and (2) the text of the sub-number (e.g. 1.1.) does not align itself to where the text for that sub-number starts. Instead, it goes all the way to align with the main number (e.g. 1.). This is difficult to reproduce using the email but basically it looks really sloppy, and I don't know how to set it up so that the numbers and sub-numbers and the associated text align in blocks. I think that there is something I might be able to do with a style page - but that seems like a lot of work just to get some numbers aligned. Any ideas/ suggestions? Thanks You are using a numbering style in the Styles and Formatting window (List styles)? It appears so, because I don't know how to use sub-numbers without using this style. There are three values that determine where numbering and text appears on a given line of the list: the distance from the beginning of numbering to the beginning of text,where the numbering begins, and where additional lines for a given sub-number begin. These are controlled in the Position page (tab) of the numbering style you are using. It should be easier to enter values in the following order: Aligned at, Numbering followed by, and Indent at. In fact in my experience, Numbering followed by and Indent at are usually the same value. This way the text in succeeding lines line up with the text of the top line for a given number or sub-number. Aligned at: This is where the numbering begins. For the top level of the list, use this to determine how much of an indent the entire list will have. For the each of the succeeding levels, use the same value as you used in Numbering followed by in the level above it. Numbering followed by and Indent at are very similar. Both are the positions for text. Numbering followed by is where text begins on the first line for a given number or sub-number. Indent at is where the text begins on the succeeding lines. (You are having problems with both of these.) Of these two, Numbering followed by is the more important. That is because you need to be concerned with the difference between Numbering followed by and Aligned at. This difference is the length available for the number or sub-number. If either is longer than the allowed length, Writer begins the text at the next tab stop producing the wide tab space you notice. The default value in Numbering 1 list style for Numbering followed by is 0.5 and the Aligned at 0.25. The difference is 0.25. For the LibreOffice documents Numbering followed by is 0.51 and the Aligned at 0.39. the difference is 0.12. The reason for the slight difference is documentation tends to have longer numbers and sub-numbers (especially the latter). Here are some suggested steps that might help: 1.) For level 1, set Aligned at with what you want the left side of the list to be. Set the Numbering followed followed by next. Just make sure the difference between these two is greater than the longest level one number. Now set Indent at to be the same as Numbering followed by. 2.) For level 2 and beyond: Set Aligned at to be the same as Numbering followed by of the level above it. Set Numbering followed by to be greater than the longest sub-number for this level. Set Aligned at to equal Numbering followed by. One additional point. You probably want the difference between Numbering followed by and Aligned by to be the same for all levels. If this is the case, you need to determine what will be the largest of these values. Then use this to determine what each of the Numbering followed by should be. --Dan Thanks Dan. I really do appreciate your input and will apply that for the next time this issue applies. I must say though, that this solution you have suggested seems unnecessarily complicated. Surely there must be an easier way in terms of time and code optimisation? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will
[libreoffice-users] A (sane) way of doing bullets and numbering
Hi list One of the biggest (personal) bugbears I have with LibO (and OOo before this) is the issue of numbering and bulleting. It just seems counter-intuitive to me and is one of the very few areas where I think that MS has a better approach. I have a numbered list in a table and now I want sub-numbers, such as: 1. text text text text text 1.1. text text text text 1.2. text text text text 2. text text text text text However two things happen: (1) I have to manually play around with the sub-number positions so that there isn't (a) a large tab space between the number and the start of the text and (b) the sub-number is aligned reasonably close to the main number; and (2) the text of the sub-number (e.g. 1.1.) does not align itself to where the text for that sub-number starts. Instead, it goes all the way to align with the main number (e.g. 1.). This is difficult to reproduce using the email but basically it looks really sloppy, and I don't know how to set it up so that the numbers and sub-numbers and the associated text align in blocks. I think that there is something I might be able to do with a style page - but that seems like a lot of work just to get some numbers aligned. Any ideas/ suggestions? Thanks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
