[libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-07 Thread JR75018
Hi,

By now I have LinuxMint 14 Xfce Nadia 32 bit. My printer is a Canon Ip4500
and I don't remember how I managed to make it work. I am not a geek neither
a nerd, just somebody who had some jobs in bank computer services long time
ago. So when I don't remember how I did it, it means I ha no problem. But I
tried to print from W7 to the same printer on XP and it was impossible.

I managed to print from an Xp via Samba, even it was less easy. I am very
surprised by the giant step Linux has climb from Debian Potatoes till
today. Everything is so simple : when I was in Delhi I had no problem to
use my 3G Tata photon on Ubuntu and then on Nadia. And mainly, to make
easier the compatibility between my computer and my wife'one I
use...Windows. It means I don't know Linux.

Windows is stuck when, Linux runs ?

Today I opened the same small files with calc on Nadia, it was LO 3.6, and
I has to wait 12 seconds instead of 50 seconds !

Regards

Jacques


2013/4/6 krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
ml-node+s969070n4048249...@n3.nabble.com


 Which version are you going to use?

 I understand there are two now, one based on Ubuntu and the other based
 directly on Debian.

 I had difficulties with installing networked printers - Canon and Epson
 inkjets - when I tested Linux Mint on a computer I attached to my TV for
 media streaming for YouTube and other Internet content.  Otherwise it
 worked well.

 Are you going to go with Cinnamon or MATE desktop, or the non-GNOME
 ported ones.

 As for using RPi's version of LO, it was compiled fore its hardware and
 OS system so it might not work well at all on an Atom system.

 I do wonder how hard it would be to compile LO to a specific system and
 its hardware.  I know it would take a real long time to do the compiling
 on a slower systems.

 On 04/06/2013 12:56 PM, JR75018 wrote:

  Thanks Tom and krackedpress,
 
  I keep this idea and will have a look later. After four days I will be
 on
  LinuxMint...
 
 
  2013/4/6 Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
  [hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4048249i=0
 
  Hi :)
  So the trick would be to try to download and use the LibreOffice from
 the
  Raspberry Pi people.  Compiling yourself takes a ridiculously long
 time.
  If the RPi one does work then it's an instant win
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
  
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  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading
 speed
  of Calc ?
 
  I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was
  modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi
 was
  compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the
 RPi's
  specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 700 MHz
  depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the hardware.
  The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million
 mark
  of made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even
 if
  a quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them,
 that
  will give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count for
  that could be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school
 kids
  started with LO should tend to make them want to use LO on more
 traditional
  and more powerful systems.
  As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
  It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic
  one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few
  languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able
 to
  create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics and
  controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level
 systems
  for those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy all of
 the
  needed units for their computer lab to have one computer per student
 in
  the lab.  Actually, with the SD card having both the OS and
 data/programs,
  the student could have a RPi at home and bring in the SD card he/she
 was
  using and work on the same OS and data/program in the school's lab.  No
  need to have a networked server with student accounts and such.  The
 RPi
  was designed to work as well as it could at the lowest cost possible to
 the
  schools and the kids.
 
  Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs
  for home/office and mobile needs.
  So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the
 slower
  systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the small
  foot-print system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.
 
  For me, even a single core AMD 3500+ CPU with 512 - 1,024 MB RAM
 desktop

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-07 Thread Jay Lozier

On 04/07/2013 08:11 AM, JR75018 wrote:

Hi,

By now I have LinuxMint 14 Xfce Nadia 32 bit. My printer is a Canon Ip4500
and I don't remember how I managed to make it work. I am not a geek neither
a nerd, just somebody who had some jobs in bank computer services long time
ago. So when I don't remember how I did it, it means I ha no problem. But I
tried to print from W7 to the same printer on XP and it was impossible.
To access the CUPS interface for any Linux distro using any web browser 
enter: http://localhost:631/ into the browser.

I managed to print from an Xp via Samba, even it was less easy. I am very
surprised by the giant step Linux has climb from Debian Potatoes till
today. Everything is so simple : when I was in Delhi I had no problem to
use my 3G Tata photon on Ubuntu and then on Nadia. And mainly, to make
easier the compatibility between my computer and my wife'one I
use...Windows. It means I don't know Linux.

Windows is stuck when, Linux runs ?

Today I opened the same small files with calc on Nadia, it was LO 3.6, and
I has to wait 12 seconds instead of 50 seconds !

Regards

Jacques


2013/4/6 krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
ml-node+s969070n4048249...@n3.nabble.com


Which version are you going to use?

I understand there are two now, one based on Ubuntu and the other based
directly on Debian.

I had difficulties with installing networked printers - Canon and Epson
inkjets - when I tested Linux Mint on a computer I attached to my TV for
media streaming for YouTube and other Internet content.  Otherwise it
worked well.

Are you going to go with Cinnamon or MATE desktop, or the non-GNOME
ported ones.

As for using RPi's version of LO, it was compiled fore its hardware and
OS system so it might not work well at all on an Atom system.

I do wonder how hard it would be to compile LO to a specific system and
its hardware.  I know it would take a real long time to do the compiling
on a slower systems.

On 04/06/2013 12:56 PM, JR75018 wrote:


Thanks Tom and krackedpress,

I keep this idea and will have a look later. After four days I will be

on

LinuxMint...


2013/4/6 Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
[hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4048249i=0


Hi :)
So the trick would be to try to download and use the LibreOffice from

the

Raspberry Pi people.  Compiling yourself takes a ridiculously long

time.

If the RPi one does work then it's an instant win
Regards from
Tom :)







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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading

speed

of Calc ?

I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was

modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi

was

compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the

RPi's

specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 700 MHz
depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the hardware.

The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million

mark

of made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even

if

a quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them,

that

will give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count for
that could be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school

kids

started with LO should tend to make them want to use LO on more

traditional

and more powerful systems.

As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic

one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few
languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able

to

create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics and
controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level

systems

for those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy all of

the

needed units for their computer lab to have one computer per student

in

the lab.  Actually, with the SD card having both the OS and

data/programs,

the student could have a RPi at home and bring in the SD card he/she

was

using and work on the same OS and data/program in the school's lab.  No
need to have a networked server with student accounts and such.  The

RPi

was designed to work as well as it could at the lowest cost possible to

the

schools and the kids.

Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs

for home/office and mobile needs.

So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the

slower

systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the small
foot-print system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.

For me, even

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
So the trick would be to try to download and use the LibreOffice from the 
Raspberry Pi people.  Compiling yourself takes a ridiculously long time.  If 
the RPi one does work then it's an instant win
Regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013, 21:26
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of 
Calc ?
 

I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was 
modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi was 
compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the RPi's 
specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 700 MHz 
depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the hardware.

The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million mark of 
made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even if a 
quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them, that will 
give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count for that could 
be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school kids started with LO 
should tend to make them want to use LO on more traditional and more powerful 
systems.

As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic 
one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few 
languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able to 
create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics and 
controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level systems for 
those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy all of the needed 
units for their computer lab to have one computer per student in the lab.  
Actually, with the SD card having both the OS and data/programs, the student 
could have a RPi at home and bring in the SD card he/she was using and work on 
the same OS and data/program in the school's lab.  No need to have a networked 
server with student accounts and such.  The RPi was designed to work as well 
as it could at the lowest cost possible to the schools and the kids.


Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs for 
home/office and mobile needs.

So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the slower 
systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the small foot-print 
system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.


For me, even a single core AMD 3500+ CPU with 512 - 1,024 MB RAM desktop seems 
too slow for my needs.  My Intel dual core T3200 2.0 GHz CPU and 3 GB RAM DELL 
laptop seems slow to me now.  My new[er] dual core Intel Pentium B950 2.1 GHz 
with 4 GB RAM Gateway laptop is better, but not up-to my quad desktop I bought 
in Feb 2010.  I needed the power/speed of the quad for my home/office use.


On 04/05/2013 10:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Sadly i suspect that it's really going to take someone building it from 
 source code in order to make much faster.  Current builds and standard 
 downloads are built against very different architecture.  It might be worth 
 exploring the Pi project to see if they have a usable build but that might 
 still be not quite perfect on other Atom machines.  The Pi one is likely to 
 be shed loads better even if not quite perfect.
 
 Sorry, i should have thought of it before!
 Apols and regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
     
     *From:* Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
     *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org
     *Sent:* Friday, 5 April 2013, 14:56
     *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the
     loading speed of Calc ?
 
     On 04/05/2013 03:22 AM, JR75018 wrote:
      Hi krackedpress,
     
      This is accounting. I try to explain in details:
     
      Three lines and for each three columns of numeric datas and two
     of text .
      Two colums are the sums of the expenses for each account = for
     one of them
      I have 24 lines and three colums: one for text, one for the
     expenses and one
      for the dates. For the two others I have three columns : one of
     text  and
      two of expenses. For one of this both account  I have 25 lines
     and for the
      last one 8 lines. I have two celles more with a sum in each.
     Nothing more
      complicated except different colors. 18 cells with sums.
     
      My LO version is 4.0.1.2 (in french).
     
      Number of operations : 100.
      Memory for LO : 20 Mo
      Memory per item : 5,2 Mo.
     
      My file : 24,6 ko (28 on the disk).
     
      Thanks.
     
      Jacques
 
     Thanks
 
     Yes, the sheet is not complex enough for the file to be large and
     slow.
 
     We must have a user out there that knows tricks

[libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-06 Thread JR75018
Thanks Tom and krackedpress,

I keep this idea and will have a look later. After four days I will be on
LinuxMint...


2013/4/6 Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
ml-node+s969070n4048241...@n3.nabble.com

 Hi :)
 So the trick would be to try to download and use the LibreOffice from the
 Raspberry Pi people.  Compiling yourself takes a ridiculously long time.
 If the RPi one does work then it's an instant win
 Regards from
 Tom :)





 
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 To:
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 Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013, 21:26
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed
 of Calc ?
 
 
 I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was
 modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi was
 compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the RPi's
 specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 700 MHz
 depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the hardware.
 
 The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million mark
 of made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even if
 a quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them, that
 will give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count for
 that could be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school kids
 started with LO should tend to make them want to use LO on more traditional
 and more powerful systems.
 
 As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
 It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic
 one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few
 languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able to
 create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics and
 controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level systems
 for those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy all of the
 needed units for their computer lab to have one computer per student in
 the lab.  Actually, with the SD card having both the OS and data/programs,
 the student could have a RPi at home and bring in the SD card he/she was
 using and work on the same OS and data/program in the school's lab.  No
 need to have a networked server with student accounts and such.  The RPi
 was designed to work as well as it could at the lowest cost possible to the
 schools and the kids.
 
 
 Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs
 for home/office and mobile needs.
 
 So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the slower
 systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the small
 foot-print system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.
 
 
 For me, even a single core AMD 3500+ CPU with 512 - 1,024 MB RAM desktop
 seems too slow for my needs.  My Intel dual core T3200 2.0 GHz CPU and 3 GB
 RAM DELL laptop seems slow to me now.  My new[er] dual core Intel Pentium
 B950 2.1 GHz with 4 GB RAM Gateway laptop is better, but not up-to my quad
 desktop I bought in Feb 2010.  I needed the power/speed of the quad for my
 home/office use.
 
 
 On 04/05/2013 10:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  Sadly i suspect that it's really going to take someone building it from
 source code in order to make much faster.  Current builds and standard
 downloads are built against very different architecture.  It might be worth
 exploring the Pi project to see if they have a usable build but that might
 still be not quite perfect on other Atom machines.  The Pi one is likely to
 be shed loads better even if not quite perfect.
 
  Sorry, i should have thought of it before!
  Apols and regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
 
  
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  email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4048241i=3

  *To:* [hidden 
  email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4048241i=4
  *Sent:* Friday, 5 April 2013, 14:56
  *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the
  loading speed of Calc ?
 
  On 04/05/2013 03:22 AM, JR75018 wrote:
   Hi krackedpress,
  
   This is accounting. I try to explain in details:
  
   Three lines and for each three columns of numeric datas and two
  of text .
   Two colums are the sums of the expenses for each account = for
  one of them
   I have 24 lines and three colums: one for text, one for the
  expenses and one
   for the dates. For the two others I have three columns : one of
  text  and
   two of expenses. For one of this both account  I have 25 lines
  and for the
   last one 8 lines. I have two celles more with a sum in each.
  Nothing more

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-06 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


Which version are you going to use?

I understand there are two now, one based on Ubuntu and the other based 
directly on Debian.


I had difficulties with installing networked printers - Canon and Epson 
inkjets - when I tested Linux Mint on a computer I attached to my TV for 
media streaming for YouTube and other Internet content.  Otherwise it 
worked well.


Are you going to go with Cinnamon or MATE desktop, or the non-GNOME 
ported ones.


As for using RPi's version of LO, it was compiled fore its hardware and 
OS system so it might not work well at all on an Atom system.


I do wonder how hard it would be to compile LO to a specific system and 
its hardware.  I know it would take a real long time to do the compiling 
on a slower systems.


On 04/06/2013 12:56 PM, JR75018 wrote:

Thanks Tom and krackedpress,

I keep this idea and will have a look later. After four days I will be on
LinuxMint...


2013/4/6 Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
ml-node+s969070n4048241...@n3.nabble.com


Hi :)
So the trick would be to try to download and use the LibreOffice from the
Raspberry Pi people.  Compiling yourself takes a ridiculously long time.
If the RPi one does work then it's an instant win
Regards from
Tom :)







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[hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4048241i=2

Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013, 21:26
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed

of Calc ?


I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was

modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi was
compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the RPi's
specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 700 MHz
depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the hardware.

The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million mark

of made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even if
a quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them, that
will give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count for
that could be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school kids
started with LO should tend to make them want to use LO on more traditional
and more powerful systems.

As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic

one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few
languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able to
create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics and
controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level systems
for those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy all of the
needed units for their computer lab to have one computer per student in
the lab.  Actually, with the SD card having both the OS and data/programs,
the student could have a RPi at home and bring in the SD card he/she was
using and work on the same OS and data/program in the school's lab.  No
need to have a networked server with student accounts and such.  The RPi
was designed to work as well as it could at the lowest cost possible to the
schools and the kids.


Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs

for home/office and mobile needs.

So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the slower

systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the small
foot-print system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.


For me, even a single core AMD 3500+ CPU with 512 - 1,024 MB RAM desktop

seems too slow for my needs.  My Intel dual core T3200 2.0 GHz CPU and 3 GB
RAM DELL laptop seems slow to me now.  My new[er] dual core Intel Pentium
B950 2.1 GHz with 4 GB RAM Gateway laptop is better, but not up-to my quad
desktop I bought in Feb 2010.  I needed the power/speed of the quad for my
home/office use.


On 04/05/2013 10:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Sadly i suspect that it's really going to take someone building it from

source code in order to make much faster.  Current builds and standard
downloads are built against very different architecture.  It might be worth
exploring the Pi project to see if they have a usable build but that might
still be not quite perfect on other Atom machines.  The Pi one is likely to
be shed loads better even if not quite perfect.

Sorry, i should have thought of it before!
Apols and regards from
Tom :)





  

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Grrr i thought the Raspberry Pi was using an Atom chip but it's using an Arm11 
:(  So, i have been talking a complete load of nonsense.  

It might be worth asking on the devs list to see if anyone there is willing and 
able to compile/build the 4.02 on an Atom or ask them for help building it 
yourself.  It will take ages.  I get the impression you have to leave it 
running overnight (or whenever you do sleep) in order to avoid too much 
frustration.  Also the first time you try it it might well not pan out quite 
right so you might need to redo it.  Hence why i suggest asking the devs if 
they can do it.  However once you do get it done it should be far better as a 
result.  If you get help from the devs they might be more willing to accept it 
as an official build which might  help other people.  

Apols and regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013, 18:11
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of 
Calc ?
 

Which version are you going to use?

I understand there are two now, one based on Ubuntu and the other based 
directly on Debian.

I had difficulties with installing networked printers - Canon and Epson 
inkjets - when I tested Linux Mint on a computer I attached to my TV for 
media streaming for YouTube and other Internet content.  Otherwise it 
worked well.

Are you going to go with Cinnamon or MATE desktop, or the non-GNOME 
ported ones.

As for using RPi's version of LO, it was compiled fore its hardware and 
OS system so it might not work well at all on an Atom system.

I do wonder how hard it would be to compile LO to a specific system and 
its hardware.  I know it would take a real long time to do the compiling 
on a slower systems.

On 04/06/2013 12:56 PM, JR75018 wrote:
 Thanks Tom and krackedpress,

 I keep this idea and will have a look later. After four days I will be on
 LinuxMint...


 2013/4/6 Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
 ml-node+s969070n4048241...@n3.nabble.com

 Hi :)
 So the trick would be to try to download and use the LibreOffice from the
 Raspberry Pi people.  Compiling yourself takes a ridiculously long time.
 If the RPi one does work then it's an instant win
 Regards from
 Tom :)





 
 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster [hidden 
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 I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was
 modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi was
 compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the RPi's
 specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 700 MHz
 depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the hardware.
 The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million mark
 of made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even if
 a quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them, that
 will give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count for
 that could be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school kids
 started with LO should tend to make them want to use LO on more traditional
 and more powerful systems.
 As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
 It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic
 one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few
 languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able to
 create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics and
 controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level systems
 for those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy all of the
 needed units for their computer lab to have one computer per student in
 the lab.  Actually, with the SD card having both the OS and data/programs,
 the student could have a RPi at home and bring in the SD card he/she was
 using and work on the same OS and data/program in the school's lab.  No
 need to have a networked server with student accounts and such.  The RPi
 was designed to work as well as it could at the lowest cost possible to the
 schools and the kids.

 Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs
 for home/office and mobile needs.
 So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the slower
 systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the small
 foot-print system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.

 For me, even a single core AMD 3500+ CPU with 512 - 1,024 MB RAM desktop
 seems too slow for my needs.  My Intel dual core T3200 2.0 GHz CPU and 3 GB
 RAM

[libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-05 Thread JR75018
Hi krackedpress,

This is accounting. I try to explain in details:

Three lines and for each three columns of numeric datas and two of text .
Two colums are the sums of the expenses for each account = for one of them
I have 24 lines and three colums: one for text, one for the expenses and one
for the dates. For the two others I have three columns : one of text  and
two of expenses. For one of this both account  I have 25 lines and for the
last one 8 lines. I have two celles more with a sum in each. Nothing more
complicated except different colors. 18 cells with sums.

My LO version is 4.0.1.2 (in french).

Number of operations : 100.
Memory for LO : 20 Mo
Memory per item : 5,2 Mo.

My file : 24,6 ko (28 on the disk).

Thanks.

Jacques



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-05 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Sadly i suspect that it's really going to take someone building it from source 
code in order to make much faster.  Current builds and standard downloads are 
built against very different architecture.  It might be worth exploring the Pi 
project to see if they have a usable build but that might still be not quite 
perfect on other Atom machines.  The Pi one is likely to be shed loads better 
even if not quite perfect.  

Sorry, i should have thought of it before!
Apols and regards from 
Tom :)  







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To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013, 14:56
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Calc ?
 
On 04/05/2013 03:22 AM, JR75018 wrote:
 Hi krackedpress,

 This is accounting. I try to explain in details:

 Three lines and for each three columns of numeric datas and two of text .
 Two colums are the sums of the expenses for each account = for one of them
 I have 24 lines and three colums: one for text, one for the expenses and one
 for the dates. For the two others I have three columns : one of text  and
 two of expenses. For one of this both account  I have 25 lines and for the
 last one 8 lines. I have two celles more with a sum in each. Nothing more
 complicated except different colors. 18 cells with sums.

 My LO version is 4.0.1.2 (in french).

 Number of operations : 100.
 Memory for LO : 20 Mo
 Memory per item : 5,2 Mo.

 My file : 24,6 ko (28 on the disk).

 Thanks.

 Jacques

Thanks

Yes, the sheet is not complex enough for the file to be large and slow.

We must have a user out there that knows tricks for speeding up Atom 
systems.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-05 Thread JR75018
Thanks krackedpress but don't worry to much for me.

After a couple of days I will play on my desktop (1) and I will be happy.
Even on the EeePc I am not sad (2), I am happy, but slowlier.

I will answer to all the question about this issue if you think we can help
the others users.

Jacques

(1) Dual boot 64 bits (LinuxMint W7), 8Go ram, Core 2 duo E 8400...

(2) I have a roof, heaters when it is cold like now, plenty to eat,
exercises and entertainment for my brain, so...


2013/4/5 krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
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 On 04/05/2013 03:22 AM, JR75018 wrote:

  Hi krackedpress,
 
  This is accounting. I try to explain in details:
 
  Three lines and for each three columns of numeric datas and two of text
 .
  Two colums are the sums of the expenses for each account = for one of
 them
  I have 24 lines and three colums: one for text, one for the expenses and
 one
  for the dates. For the two others I have three columns : one of text
  and
  two of expenses. For one of this both account  I have 25 lines and for
 the
  last one 8 lines. I have two celles more with a sum in each. Nothing
 more
  complicated except different colors. 18 cells with sums.
 
  My LO version is 4.0.1.2 (in french).
 
  Number of operations : 100.
  Memory for LO : 20 Mo
  Memory per item : 5,2 Mo.
 
  My file : 24,6 ko (28 on the disk).
 
  Thanks.
 
  Jacques

 Thanks

 Yes, the sheet is not complex enough for the file to be large and slow.

 We must have a user out there that knows tricks for speeding up Atom
 systems.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-05 Thread JR75018
Thank you Tom.

Jacques


2013/4/5 Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
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 Hi :)
 Sadly i suspect that it's really going to take someone building it from
 source code in order to make much faster.  Current builds and standard
 downloads are built against very different architecture.  It might be worth
 exploring the Pi project to see if they have a usable build but that might
 still be not quite perfect on other Atom machines.  The Pi one is likely to
 be shed loads better even if not quite perfect.

 Sorry, i should have thought of it before!
 Apols and regards from
 Tom :)






 
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 On 04/05/2013 03:22 AM, JR75018 wrote:
  Hi krackedpress,
 
  This is accounting. I try to explain in details:
 
  Three lines and for each three columns of numeric datas and two of text
 .
  Two colums are the sums of the expenses for each account = for one of
 them
  I have 24 lines and three colums: one for text, one for the expenses
 and one
  for the dates. For the two others I have three columns : one of text
 and
  two of expenses. For one of this both account  I have 25 lines and for
 the
  last one 8 lines. I have two celles more with a sum in each. Nothing
 more
  complicated except different colors. 18 cells with sums.
 
  My LO version is 4.0.1.2 (in french).
 
  Number of operations : 100.
  Memory for LO : 20 Mo
  Memory per item : 5,2 Mo.
 
  My file : 24,6 ko (28 on the disk).
 
  Thanks.
 
  Jacques
 
 Thanks
 
 Yes, the sheet is not complex enough for the file to be large and slow.
 
 We must have a user out there that knows tricks for speeding up Atom
 systems.
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-05 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was 
modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi was 
compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the 
RPi's specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 
700 MHz depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the 
hardware.


The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million mark 
of made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even 
if a quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them, 
that will give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count 
for that could be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school 
kids started with LO should tend to make them want to use LO on more 
traditional and more powerful systems.


As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic 
one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few 
languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able 
to create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics 
and controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level 
systems for those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy 
all of the needed units for their computer lab to have one computer 
per student in the lab.  Actually, with the SD card having both the OS 
and data/programs, the student could have a RPi at home and bring in the 
SD card he/she was using and work on the same OS and data/program in the 
school's lab.  No need to have a networked server with student accounts 
and such.  The RPi was designed to work as well as it could at the 
lowest cost possible to the schools and the kids.



Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs 
for home/office and mobile needs.


So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the 
slower systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the 
small foot-print system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.



For me, even a single core AMD 3500+ CPU with 512 - 1,024 MB RAM desktop 
seems too slow for my needs.  My Intel dual core T3200 2.0 GHz CPU and 3 
GB RAM DELL laptop seems slow to me now.  My new[er] dual core Intel 
Pentium B950 2.1 GHz with 4 GB RAM Gateway laptop is better, but not 
up-to my quad desktop I bought in Feb 2010.  I needed the power/speed of 
the quad for my home/office use.



On 04/05/2013 10:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Sadly i suspect that it's really going to take someone building it 
from source code in order to make much faster.  Current builds and 
standard downloads are built against very different architecture.  It 
might be worth exploring the Pi project to see if they have a usable 
build but that might still be not quite perfect on other Atom 
machines.  The Pi one is likely to be shed loads better even if not 
quite perfect.


Sorry, i should have thought of it before!
Apols and regards from
Tom :)




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*To:* users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Friday, 5 April 2013, 14:56
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the
loading speed of Calc ?

On 04/05/2013 03:22 AM, JR75018 wrote:
 Hi krackedpress,

 This is accounting. I try to explain in details:

 Three lines and for each three columns of numeric datas and two
of text .
 Two colums are the sums of the expenses for each account = for
one of them
 I have 24 lines and three colums: one for text, one for the
expenses and one
 for the dates. For the two others I have three columns : one of
text  and
 two of expenses. For one of this both account  I have 25 lines
and for the
 last one 8 lines. I have two celles more with a sum in each.
Nothing more
 complicated except different colors. 18 cells with sums.

 My LO version is 4.0.1.2 (in french).

 Number of operations : 100.
 Memory for LO : 20 Mo
 Memory per item : 5,2 Mo.

 My file : 24,6 ko (28 on the disk).

 Thanks.

 Jacques

Thanks

Yes, the sheet is not complex enough for the file to be large and
slow.

We must have a user out there that knows tricks for speeding up Atom
systems.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-04 Thread JR75018
Thank you krackedpress,

I checked the box - Chargement de LibreOffice au démarrage du système - (=
Load LibreOffice when the system start).

The first time I click on my file's link I have to wait 50 sec. The second
time 32 sec.

If I open LO I wait maximum 6 sec. Then I click on Calc and I wait less than
1 sec. Now I choose my file in the recent documents list and I wait around
30 sec.

Now I look at my netbook and I remember how big was this machine in 1979. I
remember how long we had to wait sometimes... The most important is : today
we have Writer, Calc... for nothing. And it works fine compare to /others/
you have to pay a lot for.

So it is ok. After somedays I will play /again/on my desktop. I am going to
bring it to the shop where they will change the CPU (a second hand Core 2
duo E 8400 instead of P 4 531), put 8 Go Ram (4 Go x 2) and I will /run/ on
W7 64 bits and Linux Mint 64 bits too. This will be the future for me...

Thanks again,

Jacques  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-04 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
LibreOffice does seem very slow to open, especially first time after a reboot.  
Same on GnuLinux tbh.  The Quickstarter does speed it up a bit but it's the 
2nd or subsequent times that it is a lot less slow.  Even then it is slow but 
is well worth waiting for.  Much better quality documents.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: JR75018 jak.ren...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013, 12:14
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?
 
Thank you krackedpress,

I checked the box - Chargement de LibreOffice au démarrage du système - (=
Load LibreOffice when the system start).

The first time I click on my file's link I have to wait 50 sec. The second
time 32 sec.

If I open LO I wait maximum 6 sec. Then I click on Calc and I wait less than
1 sec. Now I choose my file in the recent documents list and I wait around
30 sec.

Now I look at my netbook and I remember how big was this machine in 1979. I
remember how long we had to wait sometimes... The most important is : today
we have Writer, Calc... for nothing. And it works fine compare to /others/
you have to pay a lot for.

So it is ok. After somedays I will play /again/on my desktop. I am going to
bring it to the shop where they will change the CPU (a second hand Core 2
duo E 8400 instead of P 4 531), put 8 Go Ram (4 Go x 2) and I will /run/ on
W7 64 bits and Linux Mint 64 bits too. This will be the future for me...

Thanks again,

Jacques  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-04 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


To get the best results, after the checking of the box, you should 
restart your system.  That is what I was told a year or two ago.


What you are now saying is a file/document loading issue.

How long has it been since you defragged your Atom-based system? The 
more fragmented the drive it the slower the load times can be.  Wor my 
Windows systems [XP to Win7] I have been using the free Auslogics Disk 
Defrag package.


http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag

I keep a list of free security and utility package at this list page.

http://www.lungstrom.com/list/

That way I never need to remember URLs or specific names of packages.  I 
also refer people to that list to find the free security packages that 
they need to replace the paid versions that they do not want to pay for 
any more.  LO is listed there as well.



On 04/04/2013 07:14 AM, JR75018 wrote:

Thank you krackedpress,

I checked the box - Chargement de LibreOffice au démarrage du système - (=
Load LibreOffice when the system start).

The first time I click on my file's link I have to wait 50 sec. The second
time 32 sec.

If I open LO I wait maximum 6 sec. Then I click on Calc and I wait less than
1 sec. Now I choose my file in the recent documents list and I wait around
30 sec.

Now I look at my netbook and I remember how big was this machine in 1979. I
remember how long we had to wait sometimes... The most important is : today
we have Writer, Calc... for nothing. And it works fine compare to /others/
you have to pay a lot for.

So it is ok. After somedays I will play /again/on my desktop. I am going to
bring it to the shop where they will change the CPU (a second hand Core 2
duo E 8400 instead of P 4 531), put 8 Go Ram (4 Go x 2) and I will /run/ on
W7 64 bits and Linux Mint 64 bits too. This will be the future for me...

Thanks again,

Jacques



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-04 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


I do not use the quickstarter options at all.

I think after the install, it take time to setup some things on the 
system, that is needed for a first time use for a new install.


LO use to be 5 or even 10 times slower on my quad Linux system, back in 
the 3.4 and 3.5 days.  Now it is speedy to launch.  3.6.x and 4.0.1 were 
slower on the old AMD 3500 and 3000 32-bit systems, than the 3.4 install 
that was on them.  It all depends on 32/64 bit and system resources.  
Less than 1 GB of RAM can can be really slow and dragging sometimes.  I 
have had so many apps running sometimes, that I make my quad act like an 
old/slow Pentium 4 system.  That is why I needed what I have.  The need 
to have several type of graphics package, LO, Firefox, Thunderbird, and 
some other packages running at the same time for some of my projects.



On 04/04/2013 07:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
LibreOffice does seem very slow to open, especially first time after a reboot.  
Same on GnuLinux tbh.  The Quickstarter does speed it up a bit but it's the 
2nd or subsequent times that it is a lot less slow.  Even then it is slow but is 
well worth waiting for.  Much better quality documents.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: JR75018 jak.ren...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013, 12:14
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

Thank you krackedpress,

I checked the box - Chargement de LibreOffice au démarrage du système - (=
Load LibreOffice when the system start).

The first time I click on my file's link I have to wait 50 sec. The second
time 32 sec.

If I open LO I wait maximum 6 sec. Then I click on Calc and I wait less than
1 sec. Now I choose my file in the recent documents list and I wait around
30 sec.

Now I look at my netbook and I remember how big was this machine in 1979. I
remember how long we had to wait sometimes... The most important is : today
we have Writer, Calc... for nothing. And it works fine compare to /others/
you have to pay a lot for.

So it is ok. After somedays I will play /again/on my desktop. I am going to
bring it to the shop where they will change the CPU (a second hand Core 2
duo E 8400 instead of P 4 531), put 8 Go Ram (4 Go x 2) and I will /run/ on
W7 64 bits and Linux Mint 64 bits too. This will be the future for me...

Thanks again,

Jacques



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[libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-04 Thread JR75018
Thanks a lot krackedpress and Tom,

After the defragmentation (with Auslogics) nothing fantastic happened (the
data partition was 1% fragmented, and system 9%...).

I have a bookmark on my toolbar which is http://www.lungstrom.com/list/. So
I will have look very soon.

Jacques



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-04 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 04/04/2013 01:40 PM, JR75018 wrote:

Thanks a lot krackedpress and Tom,

After the defragmentation (with Auslogics) nothing fantastic happened (the
data partition was 1% fragmented, and system 9%...).

I have a bookmark on my toolbar which is http://www.lungstrom.com/list/. So
I will have look very soon.

Jacques


You would not believe how many time I see systems that are 20 to 30 
percent fragmented.


That is one of the causes of file opening bottleneck and slow down. Also 
it reduces the life of your drive.


I hope you find the solution that works for your Atom system.  I do know 
that our developers have been working hard to remove the old coding that 
made the earlier version slower.


By chance, what type of spreadsheet calculations are you doing, or how 
complex is the cells/sheet?  What was your memory settings in the Tools 
 Options . . . dialogs.  Sometimes the number of objects and memory 
per objects, and the like can cause issues.  It might help, or not, with 
you system.  I have never dealt with an Atom-based system before.  I 
heard once that MS's OSs are not too friendly with the Atom chipset on 
some boards.  But, that was last year.  I know that there are a lot of 
OS based tweaks that can speed up a system, but you will need someone 
else for that, since I use Win7 about 5% of the time and Ubuntu the 95%.




The list was created when I was a Windows-only user and needed to find 
free solutions, since some of the software I needed for a new system 
could cost more than my rent.  I have not gone through all of the links 
in a long time.  When I find one that is bad, I fix it or remove the 
listed item.  Now I use Linux for most things since 99.99% of the needed 
software was free.  The one item [specialty-driver] I needed to buy, no 
longer is since the color laser printer died.


The menu bar is a hover and pop-down system.  You need to click on the 
subsection you want.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-04 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Superb!  I just visited that list too and looks like some good names in there 
that have a good reputation rather than just being  big names (although 
sometimes things have both).  


Have you tried Gnumeric?  If you need a fast, light-weight (but powerful) 
dedicated spreadsheet program without worrying about having all the rest of the 
programs then Gnumeric kinda knocks the socks off Calc (and Excel) 

http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/

but it doesn't have such tight integration with other apps and things in the 
way Calc has.  So, it just does what it says on the tin, ie it only does 
spreadsheet functions.  Oh, and it looks a bit Win98 for it's Gui and website 
which fools people into missing the power under the bonnet.  There is a good 
argument for using Writer for the odd document here or there and then Gnumeric  
if you use spreadsheets a LOT.  

If you do try Gnumeric please let us know how it compares 
Regards from 
Tom :)  







 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013, 19:06
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of 
Calc ?
 
On 04/04/2013 01:40 PM, JR75018 wrote:
 Thanks a lot krackedpress and Tom,
 
 After the defragmentation (with Auslogics) nothing fantastic happened (the
 data partition was 1% fragmented, and system 9%...).
 
 I have a bookmark on my toolbar which is http://www.lungstrom.com/list/. So
 I will have look very soon.
 
 Jacques

You would not believe how many time I see systems that are 20 to 30 percent 
fragmented.

That is one of the causes of file opening bottleneck and slow down. Also it 
reduces the life of your drive.

I hope you find the solution that works for your Atom system.  I do know that 
our developers have been working hard to remove the old coding that made the 
earlier version slower.

By chance, what type of spreadsheet calculations are you doing, or how complex 
is the cells/sheet?  What was your memory settings in the Tools  Options . . 
. dialogs.  Sometimes the number of objects and memory per objects, and the 
like can cause issues.  It might help, or not, with you system.  I have never 
dealt with an Atom-based system before.  I heard once that MS's OSs are not 
too friendly with the Atom chipset on some boards.  But, that was last year.  
I know that there are a lot of OS based tweaks that can speed up a system, but 
you will need someone else for that, since I use Win7 about 5% of the time and 
Ubuntu the 95%.



The list was created when I was a Windows-only user and needed to find free 
solutions, since some of the software I needed for a new system could cost 
more than my rent.  I have not gone through all of the links in a long time.  
When I find one that is bad, I fix it or remove the listed item.  Now I use 
Linux for most things since 99.99% of the needed software was free.  The one 
item [specialty-driver] I needed to buy, no longer is since the color laser 
printer died.

The menu bar is a hover and pop-down system.  You need to click on the 
subsection you want.



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