[libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
Hi :) +1 A huge +1 really. Just +1 doesn't really get close! Definitely impressive work from Stuart there! "Above and beyond" gets closer. I tried voting but found that really unclear, and i have been editing wiki's for a while now. I was able to add a comment in support but i'm not sure if it's the type of thing they are looking for. Stuart also gave links to the relevant bug-reports and i have a feeling it might be easier to post comments there but only if they help the devs get closer to fixing the problems, such as version number of LO you are using and which OS (Windows Xp, Ubuntu or whatever) I think the wiki wanted more conversational type comments but i wasn't sure what i should say. Regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 15/10/12, Kevin Cussick wrote: From: Kevin Cussick Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date To: "V Stuart Foote" Cc: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org, libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, us...@glogal.libreoffice.org Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 20:04 Hello, No apology needed Stuart. You have done more than most and i would like to take this opportunity to thank you on list. I knew the LO was not right but I now am pleased that someone from LO is now agreeing with me. Anyway. moving on, I will take a look at the link to vote on the ticket to get accessibleIa2 added into the code for LO. Let me once again thank you for all your effort and hard work on this. OK we don't have the result we would like but now we know we can maybe try and get a fix for it. On 15/10/2012 01:10, V Stuart Foote wrote: > LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java > Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles > for Windows users. > > It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle > test utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not > implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose > accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies. > > Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will > make a difference. > > I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of > which are functional. > > In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 to 3.5.7rc2. With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. > > The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role > mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the > 3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice. And, for these versions Windows > Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader > will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire > document tree. > > Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, > are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable > with Windows Assistive Technologies at any point. > > For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with > LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize. > I've updated the FDO#53474 (http: bug report > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage > folks to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 > API ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows > builds by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a > replacement of the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest > means of bringing Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level > as Linux builds that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs. > > Stuart > -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
Hi :) Is anyone able to post a bug-report about this? It sounds pretty serious! Regards from Tom :) > > From: V Stuart Foote >To: users@global.libreoffice.org >Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 1:11 >Subject: [libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API >non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date > > >LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java >Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles >for Windows users. > >It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle test >utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not >implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose >accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies. > >Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will >make a difference. > >I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of >which are functional. > >In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 >to 3.5.7rc2. With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java >Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. > >The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role >mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the >3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice. And, for these versions Windows >Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader >will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire >document tree. > >Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, >are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable with >Windows Assistive Technologies at any point. > >For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with >LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive >Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize. >I've updated the FDO#53474 (http: bug report >https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage folks >to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 API ( >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows builds >by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a replacement of >the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest means of bringing >Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level as Linux builds >that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs. > >Stuart > >-- >For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > > -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles for Windows users. It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle test utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies. Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will make a difference. I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of which are functional. In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 to 3.5.7rc2. With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the 3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice. And, for these versions Windows Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire document tree. Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable with Windows Assistive Technologies at any point. For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize. I've updated the FDO#53474 (http: bug report https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage folks to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 API ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows builds by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a replacement of the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest means of bringing Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level as Linux builds that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs. Stuart Apologize for cross posting to the Users list--this had been an ongoing discussion on the Accessibility list with several open threads but a broader dissemination was appropriate as this is a major oops folks should be aware of. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Reality-Check-Windows-Java-Accessibility-API-non-functional-for-ALL-LibreOffice-3-6-x-releases-to-dae-tp4013336.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles for Windows users. It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle test utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies. Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will make a difference. I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of which are functional. In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 to 3.5.7rc2. With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the 3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice. And, for these versions Windows Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire document tree. Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable with Windows Assistive Technologies at any point. For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize. I've updated the FDO#53474 (http: bug report https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage folks to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 API ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows builds by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a replacement of the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest means of bringing Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level as Linux builds that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs. Stuart -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
