Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
I was desperately look for this yesterday morning. I finally resorted to drawing a line using the draw menu. Now I am trying to do it the new way, described below, and that doesn't work either. On this page (https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Drawing_Lines_in_Text) the instructions say: 1. Create a horizontal line by applying the preset Paragraph Style Horizontal Line. Click into an empty paragraph, and double-click the Horizontal Line Style in the Styles and Formatting window. If the entry for horizontal lines is not visible in the list of Paragraph Styles, select All Styles in the lower listbox. Well, there is no Horizontal Line Style listed even after selecting All Styles. So, what is the official, documented replacement for Insert Horizontal Line? -Bill On 6/13/2013 10:48 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: Having installed Mageia-3 on a trial basis, I have come across an omission in its LO 4.0.3.3 that I have been using on Mageia-2's LO 3.5.7.2, namely 'Insert: Horizontal rule' The result is that any document prepared with 3.5.7.2 does not appear correctly under 4.0.3.3. I see from: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/14922/why-is-horizontal-line-broken-in-401/ that the omission is a deliberate change rather than accidental (although it seems the Help info still thinks otherwise...). Why on earth drop a feature that people are using? What is the rationale? Failing any other solution to my problem, is there any way I can copy the 3.5.7.2 'ruler' file over in to 4.0.3.3 so that the latter shows the lines properly? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) 2 things 1. Documentation is always playing catch up 2. I think a bug report has been filed to try to get the feature put back into the next release (or a subsequent one if it doesn't make it back in so quickly) Stuart was saying that if you type 3 - or ~ or (errr i can't remember the other character) then it creates the whole rest of the line for you. Much the same happens in emails i think although you might have to use more than 3. So on an empty line in Writer try --- ~~~ e. when you press enter after typing --- a single line appears. Pressing it after the ~~~ makes a double-line. However, i have to say that getting a line from the draw menu was inspired. LibreOffice is designed for you to create things in one of the apps/modules and then pull them into one of the other ones. So you could make something fancy in Draw and then use that in Writer. If opening Writer takes ages but after it's open you open a Draw document you will notice the Draw one appears really quite fast. LO is much more tightly integrated like that than MSO. Regards from Tom :) From: William Drago wdr...@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013, 12:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing I was desperately look for this yesterday morning. I finally resorted to drawing a line using the draw menu. Now I am trying to do it the new way, described below, and that doesn't work either. On this page (https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Drawing_Lines_in_Text) the instructions say: 1. Create a horizontal line by applying the preset Paragraph Style Horizontal Line. Click into an empty paragraph, and double-click the Horizontal Line Style in the Styles and Formatting window. If the entry for horizontal lines is not visible in the list of Paragraph Styles, select All Styles in the lower listbox. Well, there is no Horizontal Line Style listed even after selecting All Styles. So, what is the official, documented replacement for Insert Horizontal Line? -Bill On 6/13/2013 10:48 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: Having installed Mageia-3 on a trial basis, I have come across an omission in its LO 4.0.3.3 that I have been using on Mageia-2's LO 3.5.7.2, namely 'Insert: Horizontal rule' The result is that any document prepared with 3.5.7.2 does not appear correctly under 4.0.3.3. I see from: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/14922/why-is-horizontal-line-broken-in-401/ that the omission is a deliberate change rather than accidental (although it seems the Help info still thinks otherwise...). Why on earth drop a feature that people are using? What is the rationale? Failing any other solution to my problem, is there any way I can copy the 3.5.7.2 'ruler' file over in to 4.0.3.3 so that the latter shows the lines properly? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
From: William Drago [wdr...@suffolk.lib.ny.us] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 6:32 AM ... Horizontal Line Style in the Styles and Formatting window. If the entry for horizontal lines is not visible in the list of Paragraph Styles, select All Styles in the lower listbox. Well, there is no Horizontal Line Style listed even after selecting All Styles. No, it is there. open the Styles and Formatting window, first button on the Formatting toolbar (or just enter F11). When panel opens, if still set to install defaults, you'll be on the Paragraph tab with Default Style selected and the filter dropdown list set to Automatic. With that filter in place Horizontal Line is not a listed paragraph style. Change the drop down filter to ALL, or to HTML and you'll see the Horizontal Line. Unfortunately, the line weights for the paragraph border (just the bottom edge) set by the Horizontal Line style default settings are too thin. And the associated text handling for the paragraph style don't seem correct--but that could just be misuse on my part. Paragraph bottom border assigned as horizontal line with auto-replace of character triplets seem to have more reasonable default line weights--but since those are a direct styling of each paragraph, it is more efficient in the long run to figure out use of the style and formatting panel to handle whole document. Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
At 07:32 28/06/2013 -0400, William Drago wrote: On 6/13/2013 10:48 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: ... I have come across an omission in its LO 4.0.3.3 ..., namely 'Insert: Horizontal rule' I was desperately look for this yesterday morning. I finally resorted to drawing a line using the draw menu. Now I am trying to do it the new way, described below, and that doesn't work either. So, what is the official, documented replacement for Insert Horizontal Line? Workarounds: o Type three or more asterisks, underscores, equals signs, negative signs, hash marks, or swung dashes as a new paragraph (immediately followed by Enter, that is). Instead of seeing a new paragraph, you will see one of a variety of borders attached to the preceding paragraph. This line is a property of that paragraph, not an entity by itself - but the relevant paragraph can be otherwise empty, of course. o You can instead apply such borders directly to a paragraph or paragraph style. Right-click in the paragraph and select Paragraph... or Edit Paragraph Style... as preferred. Go to the Borders tab and select a style and position for a border - above or below the paragraph. Again, the paragraph itself could be empty. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) Feel free to post a bug-report or wish-list item about it https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport There might already be one but you will find that out after filling in a suitable subject-line for the report (hopefully before it asks you to fill in the message part). I suspect that if you put a clickable link to the feature-request/bug-report in the Ask LO thread and another in this thread then a lot of people might support it. Regards from Tom :) From: Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 15:48 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing Having installed Mageia-3 on a trial basis, I have come across an omission in its LO 4.0.3.3 that I have been using on Mageia-2's LO 3.5.7.2, namely 'Insert: Horizontal rule' The result is that any document prepared with 3.5.7.2 does not appear correctly under 4.0.3.3. I see from: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/14922/why-is-horizontal-line-broken-in-401/ that the omission is a deliberate change rather than accidental (although it seems the Help info still thinks otherwise...). Why on earth drop a feature that people are using? What is the rationale? Failing any other solution to my problem, is there any way I can copy the 3.5.7.2 'ruler' file over in to 4.0.3.3 so that the latter shows the lines properly? -- /\/\aurice (Retired in Surrey, UK) Registered Linux User #487649 Linux 64-bit Mageia-2 KDE 4.8.5 Virtualbox 4.1.14 Firefox 17.0.5 KMail 4.8.5 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
On 2013-06-14 02:48, Maurice Batey wrote: Having installed Mageia-3 on a trial basis, I have come across an omission in its LO 4.0.3.3 that I have been using on Mageia-2's LO 3.5.7.2, namely 'Insert: Horizontal rule' The result is that any document prepared with 3.5.7.2 does not appear correctly under 4.0.3.3. 74 I see from: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/14922/why-is-horizontal-line-broken-in-401/ that the omission is a deliberate change rather than accidental (although it seems the Help info still thinks otherwise...). Why on earth drop a feature that people are using? What is the rationale? Failing any other solution to my problem, is there any way I can copy the 3.5.7.2 'ruler' file over in to 4.0.3.3 so that the latter shows the lines properly? For me the big issue is that MSO is flamed for poor backwards compatibility with and support of its own file types, will you be able to open those MS files 10 years down the track, and now LO are heading the same way. Surely if the horizontal rule is to be dropped as such file compatibility can be maintained by converting to a drawn line object, as could removing compatibility with earlier files from the LO binary without moving the code to an optional plugin easily accessed from the binary. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing
Hi :) Hmm, there are many reasons for preferring non-MS. Backwards compatibility is just 1 of the issues. Current compatibility with it's own current formats is another. A third is whether it's current formats work with non-MS products that do follow the OOXML ISO standard. Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: maur...@bcs.org.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 22:10 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.3.3: 'Insert: Horizontal rule' is missing On 2013-06-14 02:48, Maurice Batey wrote: Having installed Mageia-3 on a trial basis, I have come across an omission in its LO 4.0.3.3 that I have been using on Mageia-2's LO 3.5.7.2, namely 'Insert: Horizontal rule' The result is that any document prepared with 3.5.7.2 does not appear correctly under 4.0.3.3. 74 I see from: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/14922/why-is-horizontal-line-broken-in-401/ that the omission is a deliberate change rather than accidental (although it seems the Help info still thinks otherwise...). Why on earth drop a feature that people are using? What is the rationale? Failing any other solution to my problem, is there any way I can copy the 3.5.7.2 'ruler' file over in to 4.0.3.3 so that the latter shows the lines properly? For me the big issue is that MSO is flamed for poor backwards compatibility with and support of its own file types, will you be able to open those MS files 10 years down the track, and now LO are heading the same way. Surely if the horizontal rule is to be dropped as such file compatibility can be maintained by converting to a drawn line object, as could removing compatibility with earlier files from the LO binary without moving the code to an optional plugin easily accessed from the binary. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
