Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-13 Thread Stephen Morris 

On 13/11/24 09:36, Cătălin George Feștilă wrote:

$ dnf group list
...
audio                       Audio Production                     no
authoring-and-publishing    Authoring and Publishing                 no
budgie-desktop              Budgie                 no
budgie-desktop-apps         Budgie Desktop Applications               
   no
c-development               C Development Tools and Libraries         
         no

cloud-infrastructure        Cloud Infrastructure                 no
cloud-management            Cloud Management Tools                 no
compiz                      Compiz                 no
container-management        Container Management                 no
cosmic-desktop              COSMIC Desktop                 no
cosmic-desktop-apps         COSMIC Desktop Supplementary Applications 
         no
d-development               D Development Tools and Libraries         
         no

design-suite                Design Suite                 no
desktop-accessibility       Desktop accessibility                  no
development-tools           Development Tools
...
uname -a ...
... 6.11.6-300.fc41.x86_64 #1 SMP

Yep, that is exactly the issue I'm raising.

regards,
Steve



On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 12:21 AM Stephen Morris 
 wrote:


On 13/11/24 09:14, Stephen Morris wrote:

Why do, for example the Gnome group and the KDE/Plasma group no
longer get listed as installed groups as they used to?
Why have they removed the user friendly list output of installed
groups under an appropriate heading followed by a list of all the
available groups under an appropriate heading, and replaced it by
a list of all groups with an installed or otherwise flag
intermixed in the list?

All the groups that appeared to be missing get displayed if the
--hidden option is used, so this looks like another change in
dnf5, they appear to have changed what they consider to be
"hidden" groups.

regards,
Steve

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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-12 Thread Cătălin George Feștilă 
$ dnf group list
...
audio   Audio Production
no
authoring-and-publishingAuthoring and Publishing
no
budgie-desktop  Budgie
no
budgie-desktop-apps Budgie Desktop Applications
   no
c-development   C Development Tools and Libraries
   no
cloud-infrastructureCloud Infrastructure
no
cloud-managementCloud Management Tools
no
compiz  Compiz
no
container-managementContainer Management
no
cosmic-desktop  COSMIC Desktop
no
cosmic-desktop-apps COSMIC Desktop Supplementary Applications
   no
d-development   D Development Tools and Libraries
   no
design-suiteDesign Suite
no
desktop-accessibility   Desktop accessibility
   no
development-tools   Development Tools
...
uname -a ...
... 6.11.6-300.fc41.x86_64 #1 SMP

On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 12:21 AM Stephen Morris 
wrote:

> On 13/11/24 09:14, Stephen Morris wrote:
>
> Why do, for example the Gnome group and the KDE/Plasma group no longer get
> listed as installed groups as they used to?
> Why have they removed the user friendly list output of installed groups
> under an appropriate heading followed by a list of all the available groups
> under an appropriate heading, and replaced it by a list of all groups with
> an installed or otherwise flag intermixed in the list?
>
> All the groups that appeared to be missing get displayed if the --hidden
> option is used, so this looks like another change in dnf5, they appear to
> have changed what they consider to be "hidden" groups.
>
> regards,
> Steve
>
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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-12 Thread Stephen Morris 

On 13/11/24 09:14, Stephen Morris wrote:
Why do, for example the Gnome group and the KDE/Plasma group no longer 
get listed as installed groups as they used to?
Why have they removed the user friendly list output of installed 
groups under an appropriate heading followed by a list of all the 
available groups under an appropriate heading, and replaced it by a 
list of all groups with an installed or otherwise flag intermixed in 
the list?
All the groups that appeared to be missing get displayed if the --hidden 
option is used, so this looks like another change in dnf5, they appear 
to have changed what they consider to be "hidden" groups.


regards,
Steve



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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-12 Thread Stephen Morris 




On 12/11/24 18:16, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote:

Hi.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 21:44:13 -0500 Todd Zullinger wrote:


Stephen Morris wrote:

While we are on this groups topic, I used to be able to issue commands
dnf grouplist and dnf groupinstall as alternatives to dnf group list and dnf
group install, but the first two commands don't work anymore, was this a
deliberate alias removal and if so why?

It is deliberate, AFAICT.

Right. See:

   https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes_from_dnf4.7.html

Note for example that options specific to install should be put after
the install action. Ex: --allowerasing.

In addition, "dnf --disablerepo=NON_EXISTING_REPO ..." fails.

Ex:

   sudo dnf --disablerepo=foo list bar; echo $?
   No matching repositories for "foo". Add "--help" for more information about 
the arguments.
   2

Those changes are kind or boring, but less than the deprecation of
egrep :-(

Why do, for example the Gnome group and the KDE/Plasma group no longer 
get listed as installed groups as they used to?
Why have they removed the user friendly list output of installed groups 
under an appropriate heading followed by a list of all the available 
groups under an appropriate heading, and replaced it by a list of all 
groups with an installed or otherwise flag intermixed in the list?


regards,
Steve




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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-12 Thread Stephen Morris 




On 12/11/24 09:52, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 5:28 PM Stephen Morris
 wrote:

 In earlier versions of Fedora to F41, and earlier versions of DNF, the 
command dnf group list used to list the Gnome and KDE/Plasma groups as 
installed, and listed the Mate and XFCE groups as installable, now it no longer 
does but it does list COSMIC-DESKTOP as an installable group.
 Why are these not shown anymore, and because it doesn't show these what 
other groups that are installable is it not showing? The list of installed and 
installable groups seems to be a lot smaller than what I remember (it might be 
F39 was the last time I used this).

 While we are on this groups topic, I used to be able to issue commands dnf 
grouplist and dnf groupinstall as alternatives to dnf group list and dnf group 
install, but the first two commands don't work anymore, was this a deliberate 
alias removal and if so why?

`dnf grouplist` and `dnf groupinstall` look like they are present in
dnf5, but they are subcommands of `dnf list`. See
.
List and install are subcommands of group, grouplist and groupinstall no 
longer exist.


regards,
Steve



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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-12 Thread Stephen Morris 

On 12/11/24 18:16, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote:

Hi.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 21:44:13 -0500 Todd Zullinger wrote:


Stephen Morris wrote:

While we are on this groups topic, I used to be able to issue commands
dnf grouplist and dnf groupinstall as alternatives to dnf group list and dnf
group install, but the first two commands don't work anymore, was this a
deliberate alias removal and if so why?

It is deliberate, AFAICT.

Right. See:

   https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes_from_dnf4.7.html
I'm not completely in agreeance with this doco, yes the groupinstall and 
grouplist aliases have been dropped, but they have not been replaced by 
dnf group list and dnf group install, those commands have always been 
there. The aliases have just been dropped and as far as I can see from 
the doco, for not good reason.


regards,
Steve



Note for example that options specific to install should be put after
the install action. Ex: --allowerasing.

In addition, "dnf --disablerepo=NON_EXISTING_REPO ..." fails.

Ex:

   sudo dnf --disablerepo=foo list bar; echo $?
   No matching repositories for "foo". Add "--help" for more information about 
the arguments.
   2

Those changes are kind or boring, but less than the deprecation of
egrep :-(





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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-11 Thread Francis . Montagnac 
Hi.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 21:44:13 -0500 Todd Zullinger wrote:

> Stephen Morris wrote:
>> While we are on this groups topic, I used to be able to issue commands
>> dnf grouplist and dnf groupinstall as alternatives to dnf group list and dnf
>> group install, but the first two commands don't work anymore, was this a
>> deliberate alias removal and if so why?

> It is deliberate, AFAICT.

Right. See:

  https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes_from_dnf4.7.html

Note for example that options specific to install should be put after
the install action. Ex: --allowerasing.

In addition, "dnf --disablerepo=NON_EXISTING_REPO ..." fails.

Ex:

  sudo dnf --disablerepo=foo list bar; echo $?
  No matching repositories for "foo". Add "--help" for more information about 
the arguments.
  2

Those changes are kind or boring, but less than the deprecation of
egrep :-(

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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-11 Thread Tim via users 
On Mon, 2024-11-11 at 17:52 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> `dnf grouplist` and `dnf groupinstall` look like they are present in
> dnf5, but they are subcommands of `dnf list`. See
> .

Going off on a tangent:  What ever happened to man files with an
example or two at the end?  Yes, I know this one has them, but I'd seen
plenty that didn't, and this is a bit of an off-topic reply.  It's all
very well just listing the raw syntax and options, but some command
structures are far from obvious.

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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-11 Thread Todd Zullinger 
Stephen Morris wrote:
>     While we are on this groups topic, I used to be able to issue commands
> dnf grouplist and dnf groupinstall as alternatives to dnf group list and dnf
> group install, but the first two commands don't work anymore, was this a
> deliberate alias removal and if so why?

It is deliberate, AFAICT.

The grouplist and groupinstall commands were deprecated
aliases even in dnf 4.x.  They were not carried forward to
the current release of dnf5.

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Re: DNF Group Issue

2024-11-11 Thread Jeffrey Walton 
On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 5:28 PM Stephen Morris
 wrote:
>
> In earlier versions of Fedora to F41, and earlier versions of DNF, the 
> command dnf group list used to list the Gnome and KDE/Plasma groups as 
> installed, and listed the Mate and XFCE groups as installable, now it no 
> longer does but it does list COSMIC-DESKTOP as an installable group.
> Why are these not shown anymore, and because it doesn't show these what 
> other groups that are installable is it not showing? The list of installed 
> and installable groups seems to be a lot smaller than what I remember (it 
> might be F39 was the last time I used this).
>
> While we are on this groups topic, I used to be able to issue commands 
> dnf grouplist and dnf groupinstall as alternatives to dnf group list and dnf 
> group install, but the first two commands don't work anymore, was this a 
> deliberate alias removal and if so why?

`dnf grouplist` and `dnf groupinstall` look like they are present in
dnf5, but they are subcommands of `dnf list`. See
.

Jeff
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DNF Group Issue

2024-11-11 Thread Stephen Morris 

Hi,
    In earlier versions of Fedora to F41, and earlier versions of DNF, 
the command dnf group list used to list the Gnome and KDE/Plasma groups 
as installed, and listed the Mate and XFCE groups as installable, now it 
no longer does but it does list COSMIC-DESKTOP as an installable group.
    Why are these not shown anymore, and because it doesn't show these 
what other groups that are installable is it not showing? The list of 
installed and installable groups seems to be a lot smaller than what I 
remember (it might be F39 was the last time I used this).


    While we are on this groups topic, I used to be able to issue 
commands dnf grouplist and dnf groupinstall as alternatives to dnf group 
list and dnf group install, but the first two commands don't work 
anymore, was this a deliberate alias removal and if so why?


regards,
Steve



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