Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

> So, I think there is an error in the startup of the gnome desktop you are 
> using.

Yes, I did run `journalctl -r' and there was many errors related to 
"gnome-shell" also in the graphical environment I did run gnome-abrt ("Problem 
reporting" applicatin) and there was the same crash report, so I did report it.

> Can you try another desktop?

Yes after exprience of LightDM I myself had the idea to install a light-weight 
desktop to see what will happens, my choice is XFCE, I did install it and it 
runs without any problem! :)

> I think there is also a way to tell Gnome to run X instead of wayland from 
> the desktop manager. Have you tried that?

Yes, I did try all of them before. "... none of the available sessions can't 
start ..."

Well, thank you for answer to this thread, I hope this problem be solved for 
next release.
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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[stan]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:29:18 -
"Farhad Mohammadi Majd"  wrote:

> Instead of upgrade, I did install LightDM, then stop-disable
> gdm.service and enable lightdm.service, then I did boot Fedora without
> "nomodeset" kernel parameter and the result was LightDM ran on the
> highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080, but like the
> past, none of the available sessions can't start, I did reboot again
> without "nomodeset" and log-in as normal user in one TTY then `startx'
> the below log is for this:
> 
> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/HlME-Kh45WrnP8tkA02fdw
> 

This seems strange
RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 508 x 285
but everything else looks good right up until you switch back to a
virtual console.  So, I think there is an error in the startup of the
gnome desktop you are using.  Can you try another desktop?  The lightest
weight desktop available is LXDE, so it wouldn't take a lot of
installs.  And, because it is so simple, it is likely to be less
affected by any conflicts that are affecting your gnome desktop.

I think there is also a way to tell Gnome to run X instead of wayland
from the desktop manager.  Have you tried that?

When the desktop fails to start, and you switch to a virtual console,
if you run journalctl -r (reverse) there should be an indication of what
went wrong with the desktop startup also.

Here's another method.  Boot into runlevel 3.  Then run the commands
below in your home directory.  This boots Gnome directly into X.  The
advantage here is that the errors will display in the terminal if Gnome
fails to start.

echo '#! /bin/bash' > $XCLIENTS
echo ' ' >> $XCLIENTS
chmod +x $XCLIENTS
echo 'GSESSION="$(type -p gnome-session)"' >> $XCLIENTS
echo 'exec $GSESSION' >> $XCLIENTS
startx

> you can see them in log files in the line begins with "Kernel command
> line"
> 
> "  ro nomodeset rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8"
> 

If this were a kernel problem, it might be worthwhile to remove quiet,
but for the actual issue this line is fine (you might want to
permanently remove the nomodeset, though, since your card supports
modeset).

> > What is the resolution on the virtual console when you boot into
> > runlevel 3?  
> 
> the highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080

Your kernel and driver are just fine.  You can confirm by running
lsmod | grep radeon
and seeing radeon show up.

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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

> Could you try doing a dnf distro-sync as root from runlevel 3, just
> to be sure no cruft was left around from the upgrade to F27.

Yes I could, but there was 900-1000 MB data for full upgrade! I did
remove some packages which I don't use them like "libreoffice**",
"qt**", 'cheese', gnome-boxes, totem, rhythmbox and even firefox, this
reduced size of upgrade to 500-600 MB, but because there is no guaranty
after download all of them my problem be solved, I didn't upgrade.

Instead of upgrade, I did install LightDM, then stop-disable
gdm.service and enable lightdm.service, then I did boot Fedora without
"nomodeset" kernel parameter and the result was LightDM ran on the
highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080, but like the
past, none of the available sessions can't start, I did reboot again
without "nomodeset" and log-in as normal user in one TTY then `startx'
the below log is for this:

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/HlME-Kh45WrnP8tkA02fdw

> Could you show the kernel settings line?

you can see them in log files in the line begins with "Kernel command line"

"  ro nomodeset rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8"

> What is the resolution on the virtual console when you boot into runlevel 3?

the highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080

> If you type the command journalctl -b and look through the output, do
> you see any error when the kernel tries to load the radeon module?

yes, there was some lines in the red color when I boot Fedora with
"nomodeset" but there was no red colored lines when boot without
'nomodeset' and even run the command `startx' as root:

<>
[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
.
.
[drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!


> What does the negotiation look like for video?

what should I do?
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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

> Could you try doing a dnf distro-sync as root from runlevel 3, just
> to be sure no cruft was left around from the upgrade to F27.

Yes I could, but there was 900-1000 MB data for full upgrade! I did
remove some packages which I don't use them like "libreoffice**",
"qt**", 'cheese', gnome-boxes, totem, rhythmbox and even firefox, this
reduced size of upgrade to 500-600 MB, but because there is no guaranty
after download all of them my problem be solved, I didn't upgrade.

Instead of upgrade, I did install LightDM, then stop-disable
gdm.service and enable lightdm.service, then I did boot Fedora without
"nomodeset" kernel parameter and the result was LightDM ran on the
highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080, but like the
past, none of the available sessions can't start, I did reboot again
without "nomodeset" and log-in as normal user in one TTY then `startx'
the below log is for this:

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/HlME-Kh45WrnP8tkA02fdw

> Could you show the kernel settings line?

you can see them in log files in the line begins with "Kernel command
line"

"  ro nomodeset rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8"

> What is the resolution on the virtual console when you boot into
> runlevel 3?

the highest resolution supported by the monitor, 1920x1080

> If you type the command journalctl -b and look through the output, do
> you see any error when the kernel tries to load the radeon module?

yes, there was some lines in the red color when I boot Fedora with
"nomodeset" but there was no red colored lines when boot without
'nomodeset' and even run the command `startx' as root:

<>
[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
.
.
[drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!


> What does the negotiation look like for video?

what should I do?
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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[stan]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 20:07:52 +0330
Farhad Mohammadi Majd  wrote:

> > What does lsmod show for the module the kernel is using?  
> 
> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/h7C~gfz~QdvZ~nueqbbXBQ
> 

The radeon driver is not being loaded by the kernel.  It has support
for your card, from what I can find online.  This is what is causing
your lack of hardware support.  I run the radeon driver and when I do
lsmod | grep -i radeon 
I get
radeon   1552384  12

> > What shows in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?  
> 
> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/MIiOaUrOOjtDGWSZ-Xo5XQ
> 

The X module for radeon shows support for the RS740 (your card).

> > Can you successfully boot into multiuser (runlevel 3)?  
> 
> Yes, I did add "3" to the end of the line that begins with "linux" and
> removed "nomodeset" parameter to boot as normal, see the line "Kernel
> command line"

Could you try doing a
dnf distro-sync
as root from runlevel 3, just to be sure no cruft was left around from
the upgrade to F27. I notice that your X was compiled on F26, and it
should have updated to an F27 version, I think.

After that, try rebooting with the nomodeset gone from the kernel
line.  I think it is adding nomodeset because the radeon driver is not
loading.  Could you show the kernel settings line?  

What is the resolution on the virtual console when you boot into
runlevel 3?

Until the kernel loads the radeon module at startup, your video card is
not going to work properly.  Something is preventing it from doing
that.  If you type the command 
journalctl -b
and look through the output, do you see any error when the kernel tries
to load the radeon module?  What does the negotiation look like for
video?
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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

> Is there no video? Is the video at the wrong resolution? Does X (or
> wayland) fail to start?

I have video output, but when `nomodeset' parameter is used, xorg and
wayland use VESA resolutions, there is no full and complete resolutions
and also hardware acceleration, this is the problem. Both xorg and
Wayland sessions can be run via GDM, there is no problem in here.

> wayland might not support older hardware.

Wayland works very well on this PC.

> What does lsmod show for the module the kernel is using?

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/h7C~gfz~QdvZ~nueqbbXBQ

> What shows in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/MIiOaUrOOjtDGWSZ-Xo5XQ

> Can you successfully boot into multiuser (runlevel 3)?

Yes, I did add "3" to the end of the line that begins with "linux" and
removed "nomodeset" parameter to boot as normal, see the line "Kernel
command line"

> If you can, what happens if you then run the command startx?

log-in as normal user and then:
$ startx

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/wcFQGkSgwoltO1umSrycIw

log-out, then log-in as root in another tty:
# startx

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/0bd1QIqIvmGmHlSXS5UQuQ

THANKS
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Re: Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[stan]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:58:36 -
"Farhad Mohammadi Majd" <farhadbenya...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello, I have an old PC from 2008 which has integrated graphics
> processors (IGP), I did install Fedora 26 few months ago and it had
> mentioned problem, I used "nomodeset" kernel parameter for boot
> during installation and local boot, but I didn't report the problem.
> 
> Today I did install Fedora 27 (Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-27-1.6)
> and same problem was exist, fortunately Fedora 27 is smarter and it
> added "nomodeset" kernel parameter to the GRUB configuration file for
> local boot, so there is no need to enter it manually to GRUB.
> 
> 
> $ lspci | grep VGA
> 
> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
> [AMD/ATI] RS740 [Radeon 2100] 
> 
> Please guide me step-by-step to solve this problem, thank you.

It isn't clear to me from your description what your problem is.  Is
there no video?  Is the video at the wrong resolution?  Does X (or
wayland) fail to start?  If your system is using the radeon driver from
the kernel, I think that is the best that the kernel provides for older
radeon hardware. There is an amdgpu module for newer hardware.

wayland might not support older hardware.  In X, you will need to be
sure that the correct xorg-X11-driver package is installed, 
xorg-x11-drv-ati.

What does lsmod show for the module the kernel is using?
What shows in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?

Can you successfully boot into multiuser (runlevel 3)?  When the grub
menu comes up, you can hit a key and edit the kernel option line to add
a 3 to the end of it to boot into multiuser.  If you can, what happens
if you then run the command startx?

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Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

Hello, I have an old PC from 2008 which has integrated graphics processors 
(IGP), I did install Fedora 26 few months ago and it had mentioned problem, I 
used "nomodeset" kernel parameter for boot during installation and local boot, 
but I didn't report the problem.

Today I did install Fedora 27 (Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-27-1.6) and same 
problem was exist, fortunately Fedora 27 is smarter and it added "nomodeset" 
kernel parameter to the GRUB configuration file for local boot, so there is no 
need to enter it manually to GRUB.


$ lspci | grep VGA

01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS740 
[Radeon 2100]


Please guide me step-by-step to solve this problem, thank you.
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Re: (solved) Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno sab, 18/11/2017 alle 10.47 +0100, Dario Lesca ha scritto:
> 
> 
> $ sudo dnf downgrade dnf -y

Today

Another upgrade from f26 to f27 failed after reboot

Another dnf downgrade done

Another successful update using old dnf version.

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(inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 27 Workstation)
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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[ogio spam]

Hi all,
thankyou for this help.
I solved changing the options in the sddm.conf

Bye
 Ambrogio

Il giorno mer, 15/11/2017 alle 15.08 +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer ha
scritto:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:52:23 -0600
> Rex Dieter  wrote:
> 
> > Rex Dieter wrote:
> > 
> > > ogio spam wrote:
> > >   
> > > > [  ]
> > > > I attached the photos.
> > > > 
> > > > Before update
> > > > https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI3FMuKOvmx
> > > > 
> > > > After update
> > > > https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI32ZFW0rMs  ;
> > > 
> > > How many users do you have?  I vaguely recall the breeze style
> > > was
> > > adapted at some point to better deal with many users... if above
> > > some threshold would no longer give a userlist.  
> > 
> > found it, see /etc/sddm.conf, 
> > DisableAvatarsThreshold=
> > key, defaults to 7
> 
> This, and note the bug for man sddm.conf, where the explanation for
> this config option should be documented, which it isn't:
> 
> https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/785
> 
> and here:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=856195
> 
> "tl;dr: Add this block to your /etc/sddm.conf (create the file if it
> doesn't exists):
> [Theme]
> EnableAvatars=true
> 
> The new version of sddm has a new configuration option 
> (DisableAvatarsThreshold) that disables the use of the avatars when
> the
> amount of users is greater than this value. This option reduces the
> time sddm takes to load in systems that have a large number of users,
> that probably have their home directories using nfs automount.
> 
> The upstream default is 7, which is kind of low. If you have more
> than
> 7 users in your system you might want to raise this value, or you can
> explicitly set the EnableAvatars value.
> 
> This is documented in the generated example configuration file in 
> (/usr/share/doc/sddm/sddm.conf), I'm requesting upstream to 
> document this option in the sddm.conf manpage."
> 
> The important file 
> /usr/share/doc/sddm/sddm.conf
> seems to be nowhere to be found here on F26  or in any package
> that
> might provide it for this system or I failed to search for it ...
> 
> 
> 
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Re: (solved) Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno gio, 16/11/2017 alle 18.09 +0100, Dario Lesca ha scritto:
> I have update my notebook since Fedora 18 to Fedora 26 always without
> problem.
> 
> Today I have try to update Fedora 26 to 27, but after download
> packages
> and run "dnf system-upgrade reboot", when the system restart the
> update
> fail after a while after this boot message
> 
> Why the offline update try to connect to "updates" online repo?
> 
> What's happen ? someone can help me?
> 

I have successful updated downgrade dnf to previous version.

$ sudo dnf downgrade dnf -y

Before downgrade:
[lesca@dodo ~]$ rpm -q dnf
dnf-2.7.5-1.fc26.noarch

After downgrade:
[lesca@dodo ~]$ rpm -q dnf
dnf-2.5.1-1.fc26.noarch

Then I have move all rpm downloaded from new (bugged?) dnf into some
repo subfolder, into old place user by old (worked) dnf with:

$ sudo  mv /var/lib/dnf/system-upgrade/*/packages/*rpm 
/var/lib/dnf/system-upgrade/.

Then I have run 
$ sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=27 --refresh

and

$ sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot

And finally the update is done.

Thanks

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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Sam Varshavchik]

Gordon Messmer writes:


On 11/16/2017 03:34 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
This explains why someone else managed to upgrade a wireless laptop without  
networking. Something is going horribly sideways here. 'system-upgrade  
reboot' is whining only about my local repo:



Does your repository configuration specify a very short "metadata_expire"  
setting?


Yes, it did. This seems to trigger "system-upgrade reboot" to try to refresh  
it during the reboot.




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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Gordon Messmer]

On 11/16/2017 03:34 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
This explains why someone else managed to upgrade a wireless laptop 
without networking. Something is going horribly sideways here. 
'system-upgrade reboot' is whining only about my local repo: 



Does your repository configuration specify a very short 
"metadata_expire" setting?

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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Gordon Messmer]

On 11/16/2017 02:47 PM, John Pilkington wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1513111 


The bug appears to be that dnf processes the last metadata update time 
while in the offline system-upgrade mode.  I was able to work around the 
problem by re-running "dnf system-upgrade download --releasever 27" 
immediately before "dnf system-upgrade reboot"

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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Sam Varshavchik]

John Pilkington writes:


On 16/11/17 22:33, Dario Lesca wrote:

Il giorno gio, 16/11/2017 alle 13.39 -0500, Sam Varshavchik ha scritto:

Looks like this is going to be a common, very, very popular bug.
Pretty sure
this is bug 1513111.

"system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working
network  stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos,
despite that this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by
"system-upgrade download".

I think this is a bug, and it needs to be fixed.


Thanks Sam, what Bug you talking about?, can you please post me the
link?

Thanks


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1513111


The plot thickens. By pointing changing the URL to the server own's repo to  
a file:/// URL its upgraded succeeding. Now, it's up on F27, and serving the  
local repository.


But now, an upgrade of another server failed because, once again, 'system- 
upgrade reboot' decided to resync during its reboot, and it failed to reach  
the local server. The local repo server itself is up, 'system-upgrade  
download' doesn't squeak, but the server being upgraded apparently does not  
have networking during 'system-upgrade reboot'.


This explains why someone else managed to upgrade a wireless laptop without  
networking. Something is going horribly sideways here. 'system-upgrade  
reboot' is whining only about my local repo:


Nov 16 18:20:29 monster.email-scan.com dnf[1026]: Failed to synchronize  
cache for repo 'my', disabling.


Which is immediately followed by about dozen packages from this repo that  
it's "Unable to match":


Nov 16 18:20:36 monster.email-scan.com dnf[1026]: Unable to match package:  
cone-0.96.1-4.fc27.x86_64 my


And followed by a dozen more. But no mention is made of thousands of  
packages from fedora, and fedora-updates! So why is this dumb thing refuses  
to run only because it can't reach my repository, but it doesn't feel the  
need to verify that the stock fedora repositories are reachable over the  
network?


Of course, I can always copy my local repo to the same server, and stick a  
file:/// URL on it. But why do I need to do something so stupid? No reason  
why this shouldn't work, as is.


The only thing I could possibly think of is that, for my local repository, I  
do not use a signing PGP key. Is that the B.S.? I'll find out later tonight.




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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[John Pilkington]

On 16/11/17 22:33, Dario Lesca wrote:

Il giorno gio, 16/11/2017 alle 13.39 -0500, Sam Varshavchik ha scritto:

Looks like this is going to be a common, very, very popular bug.
Pretty sure
this is bug 1513111.

"system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working
network  stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos,
despite that this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by
"system-upgrade download".

I think this is a bug, and it needs to be fixed.


Thanks Sam, what Bug you talking about?, can you please post me the
link?

Thanks


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1513111
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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno gio, 16/11/2017 alle 13.39 -0500, Sam Varshavchik ha scritto:
> Looks like this is going to be a common, very, very popular bug.
> Pretty sure  
> this is bug 1513111.
> 
> "system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working
> network  stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos,
> despite that this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by
> "system-upgrade download".
> 
> I think this is a bug, and it needs to be fixed.

Thanks Sam, what Bug you talking about?, can you please post me the
link?

Thanks

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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Ulf Volmer]

On 16.11.2017 19:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> "system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working network
> stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos, despite
> that this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by "system-upgrade
> download".

i doubt that is a general issue. i have just upgrade a virtual machine
from fc26 to fc27 and before the reboot i switched the NIC to the 'host
only' network. no issues.

best regards
Ulf
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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[murph]

It worked for me on wireless last night.  I saw no errors, not sure if
the wireless was started at that stage of the upgrade.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Terry Polzin  wrote:
> So wireless won't cut it eh?
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Sam Varshavchik 
> wrote:
>>
>> Dario Lesca writes:
>>
>>
>>> ott 2017 06:39:15 CEST.
>>> 2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG Impossibile scaricare '
>>> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-f27=x86_64'
>>> : Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host
>>> name for
>>> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-
>>
>>
>> Looks like this is going to be a common, very, very popular bug. Pretty
>> sure this is bug 1513111.
>>
>> "system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working network
>> stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos, despite that
>> this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by "system-upgrade download".
>>
>> I think this is a bug, and it needs to be fixed.
>>
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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Terry Polzin]

So wireless won't cut it eh?

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Sam Varshavchik 
wrote:

> Dario Lesca writes:
>
>
> ott 2017 06:39:15 CEST.
>> 2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG Impossibile scaricare '
>> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-rele
>> ased-f27=x86_64': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: Curl
>> error (6): Couldn't resolve host name for https://mirrors.
>> fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-
>>
>
> Looks like this is going to be a common, very, very popular bug. Pretty
> sure this is bug 1513111.
>
> "system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working network
> stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos, despite that
> this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by "system-upgrade download".
>
> I think this is a bug, and it needs to be fixed.
>
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Re: Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Sam Varshavchik]

Dario Lesca writes:



ott 2017 06:39:15 CEST.
2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG Impossibile scaricare ' 
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released- 
f27=x86_64': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: Curl error (6):  
Couldn't resolve host name for  
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released- 


Looks like this is going to be a common, very, very popular bug. Pretty sure  
this is bug 1513111.


"system-upgrade reboot" apparently now requires a fully working network  
stack, because it tries to resynchronize with all the repos, despite that  
this is supposed to be done, and it was done, by "system-upgrade download".


I think this is a bug, and it needs to be fixed.



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Fedora 26 to 27: Update problem.

[Dario Lesca]

I have update my notebook since Fedora 18 to Fedora 26 always without
problem.

Today I have try to update Fedora 26 to 27, but after download packages
and run "dnf system-upgrade reboot", when the system restart the update
fail after a while after this boot message:

 Starting System Upgrade using DNF...
[  OK  ] Listening on D-Bus System Message Bus Socket.
 Starting Update the operating system whilst offline...
[  OK  ] Started Update the operating system whilst offline.
[  205.755691] dnf[967]: Errore: Sincronizzazione cache non riuscita per il 
repo 'updates'
[FAILED] Failed to start System Upgrade using DNF.
See 'systemctl status dnf-system-upgrade.service' for details.

I restart the notebook in Fedora 26 and into log I fount this error:

2017-11-16T15:37:58Z INFO --- logging initialized ---
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DDEBUG timer: config: 4 ms
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DEBUG Loaded plugins: builddep, config-manager, copr, 
debug, debuginfo-install, download, generate_completion_cache, 
needs-restarting, playground, repoclosure, repograph, repomanage, reposync, 
system-upgrade
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DEBUG DNF version: 2.7.5
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DDEBUG Command: dnf system-upgrade reboot 
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DDEBUG Installroot: /
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DDEBUG Releasever: 26
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DEBUG cachedir: /var/cache/dnf
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DDEBUG Base command: system-upgrade
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DDEBUG Extra commands: ['system-upgrade', 'reboot']
2017-11-16T15:37:58Z DDEBUG Cleaning up.
2017-11-16T15:39:15Z INFO --- logging initialized ---
2017-11-16T15:39:15Z DDEBUG timer: config: 1240 ms
2017-11-16T15:39:16Z DEBUG Loaded plugins: builddep, config-manager, copr, 
debug, debuginfo-install, download, generate_completion_cache, 
needs-restarting, playground, repoclosure, repograph, repomanage, reposync, 
system-upgrade
2017-11-16T15:39:16Z DEBUG DNF version: 2.7.5
2017-11-16T15:39:16Z DDEBUG Command: dnf --releasever=27 system-upgrade 
upgrade 
2017-11-16T15:39:16Z DDEBUG Installroot: /
2017-11-16T15:39:16Z DDEBUG Releasever: 27
2017-11-16T15:39:16Z DEBUG cachedir: /var/cache/dnf
2017-11-16T15:39:16Z DDEBUG Base command: system-upgrade
2017-11-16T15:39:16Z DDEBUG Extra commands: ['--releasever=27', 
'system-upgrade', 'upgrade']
2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG repository: uso della cache per 
adobe-linux-x86_64
2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG not found deltainfo for: Adobe Systems 
Incorporated
2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG not found updateinfo for: Adobe Systems 
Incorporated
2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG adobe-linux-x86_64: usando metadati di gio 26 
ott 2017 06:39:15 CEST.
2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DEBUG Impossibile scaricare '
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-f27=x86_64'
: Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host 
name for 
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-f27=x86_64
 [Could not resolve host: mirrors.fedoraproject.org].
2017-11-16T15:39:31Z DDEBUG Cleaning up.
2017-11-16T15:39:32Z SUBDEBUG 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/repo.py", line 229, in _perform
return super(_Handle, self).perform(result)
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/librepo/__init__.py", line 1522, 
in perform
_librepo.Handle.perform(self, result)
librepo.LibrepoException: (8, "Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: Curl 
error (6): Couldn't resolve host name for 
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-f27=x86_64
 [Could not resolve host: mirrors.fedoraproject.org]", 'An Curl handle 
error')

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/repo.py", line 909, in load
if self._try_revive():
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/repo.py", line 857, in 
_try_revive
return self._try_revive_by_metalink()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/repo.py", line 810, in 
_try_revive_by_metalink
handle._perform()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/repo.py", line 233, in _perform
raise _DetailedLibrepoError(exc, source)
dnf.repo._DetailedLibrepoError

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 64, in main
return _main(base, args, cli_class, option_parser_class)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 99, in _main
return cli_run(cli, base)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 115, in 
cli_run

Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:52:23 -0600
Rex Dieter  wrote:

> Rex Dieter wrote:
> 
> > ogio spam wrote:
> >   
> >> [  ]
> >> I attached the photos.
> >> 
> >> Before update
> >> https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI3FMuKOvmx
> >> 
> >> After update
> >> https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI32ZFW0rMs  
> > 
> > How many users do you have?  I vaguely recall the breeze style was
> > adapted at some point to better deal with many users... if above
> > some threshold would no longer give a userlist.  
> 
> found it, see /etc/sddm.conf, 
> DisableAvatarsThreshold=
> key, defaults to 7

This, and note the bug for man sddm.conf, where the explanation for
this config option should be documented, which it isn't:

https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/785

and here:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=856195

"tl;dr: Add this block to your /etc/sddm.conf (create the file if it
doesn't exists):
[Theme]
EnableAvatars=true

The new version of sddm has a new configuration option 
(DisableAvatarsThreshold) that disables the use of the avatars when the
amount of users is greater than this value. This option reduces the
time sddm takes to load in systems that have a large number of users,
that probably have their home directories using nfs automount.

The upstream default is 7, which is kind of low. If you have more than
7 users in your system you might want to raise this value, or you can
explicitly set the EnableAvatars value.

This is documented in the generated example configuration file in 
(/usr/share/doc/sddm/sddm.conf), I'm requesting upstream to 
document this option in the sddm.conf manpage."

The important file 
/usr/share/doc/sddm/sddm.conf
seems to be nowhere to be found here on F26  or in any package that
might provide it for this system or I failed to search for it ...



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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[Rex Dieter]

Rex Dieter wrote:

> ogio spam wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 22.49 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
>> 
>>> I have fully updated F26 systems and the login displays have not
>>> changed for me.  So,
>>> I can't think of what may have happened for you.
>>> 
>>> I am not entirely clear on what you display looks like now.  Possible
>>> to post a
>>> screenshot or photo?
>> 
>> I attached the photos.
>> 
>> Before update
>> https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI3FMuKOvmx
>> 
>> After update
>> https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI32ZFW0rMs
> 
> How many users do you have?  I vaguely recall the breeze style was adapted
> at some point to better deal with many users... if above some threshold
> would no longer give a userlist.

found it, see /etc/sddm.conf, 
DisableAvatarsThreshold=
key, defaults to 7

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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[Rex Dieter]

ogio spam wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 22.49 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
> 
>> I have fully updated F26 systems and the login displays have not
>> changed for me.  So,
>> I can't think of what may have happened for you.
>> 
>> I am not entirely clear on what you display looks like now.  Possible
>> to post a
>> screenshot or photo?
> 
> I attached the photos.
> 
> Before update
> https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI3FMuKOvmx
> 
> After update
> https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI32ZFW0rMs

How many users do you have?  I vaguely recall the breeze style was adapted 
at some point to better deal with many users... if above some threshold 
would no longer give a userlist.

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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/14/2017 10:08 AM, ogio spam wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 22.49 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
> 
>> I have fully updated F26 systems and the login displays have not
>> changed for me.  So,
>> I can't think of what may have happened for you.
>>
>> I am not entirely clear on what you display looks like now.  Possible
>> to post a
>> screenshot or photo?
> 
> I attached the photos.
> 
> Before update
> https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI3FMuKOvmx
> 
> After update
> https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI32ZFW0rMs

If you're using sddm-greeter, have a look at the "/etc/sddm.conf" file.
There's a "MinimumUID" parameter which is set by default to 1000. This
means that users must have that user ID or higher to be displayed in the
login screen. If a user has a UID of <1000, then they're not displayed.

If you're using lightdm, then the file is "/etc/lightdm/users.conf" and
the equivalent parameter is "minimum-uid".

You may have buggered that at one time to display lower numbers or
(possibly) your greeter got changed from one to the other and is now
using a config that's not the same.

IIRC, somewhere around F22 or something, the default minimum UID used
when you create users bumped to 1000 from the previous value of 500. I
use XFCE/lightdm and my machines have all been continually upgraded. My
users were created long ago with UIDs based on the 500 number, so I have
"minimum-uid=500" in my "/etc/lightdm/users.conf" file.
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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[ogio spam]

Hi all,

Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 22.49 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:

> I have fully updated F26 systems and the login displays have not
> changed for me.  So,
> I can't think of what may have happened for you.
> 
> I am not entirely clear on what you display looks like now.  Possible
> to post a
> screenshot or photo?

I attached the photos.

Before update
https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI3FMuKOvmx

After update
https://imagebin.ca/v/3hI32ZFW0rMs

Thanks
 Ambrogio

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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[Rick Stevens]

On 11/13/2017 06:56 AM, ogio spam wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> I can't remember... can photos be attached to a messages or there is a
> simply way to upload images?

Take a screen snapshot or photo, upload it to something like pastebin
and include a link to the pastebin upload in your message. Do NOT
attach the screenshot to a message here in the list.

> Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 22.49 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
>> On 11/13/17 22:09, ogio spam wrote:
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 19.48 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Actually the display manager is sddm:
>>> lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 36  6 lug 00.04 /etc/systemd/system/display
>>> -manager.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service
>>>
>>> The date of the file is Jul 06, so I think no changes was done
>>> after
>>> the date.
>>> So the question is, why it is so different after an update?
>>
>> I have fully updated F26 systems and the login displays have not
>> changed for me.  So,
>> I can't think of what may have happened for you.
>>
>> I am not entirely clear on what you display looks like now.  Possible
>> to post a
>> screenshot or photo?
>>
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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[ogio spam]

Hi Ed,
I can't remember... can photos be attached to a messages or there is a
simply way to upload images?

Tnx

Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 22.49 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
> On 11/13/17 22:09, ogio spam wrote:
> > Hi Ed,
> > 
> > Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 19.48 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
> > 
> > Actually the display manager is sddm:
> > lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 36  6 lug 00.04 /etc/systemd/system/display
> > -manager.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service
> > 
> > The date of the file is Jul 06, so I think no changes was done
> > after
> > the date.
> > So the question is, why it is so different after an update?
> 
> I have fully updated F26 systems and the login displays have not
> changed for me.  So,
> I can't think of what may have happened for you.
> 
> I am not entirely clear on what you display looks like now.  Possible
> to post a
> screenshot or photo?
> 
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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/13/17 22:09, ogio spam wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 19.48 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
>
> Actually the display manager is sddm:
> lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 36  6 lug 00.04 
> /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service -> 
> /usr/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service
>
> The date of the file is Jul 06, so I think no changes was done after
> the date.
> So the question is, why it is so different after an update?

I have fully updated F26 systems and the login displays have not changed for 
me.  So,
I can't think of what may have happened for you.

I am not entirely clear on what you display looks like now.  Possible to post a
screenshot or photo?

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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[ogio spam]

Hi Ed,

Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 19.48 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:
> On 11/13/17 18:03, ogio spam wrote:
> > I don't know what I'm using.
> > The question is that it changed after dnf update.
> > How can I check what i'm using?
> 
> 
> The output of
> 
> ll /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service
> 
> Will point to the display manager you're using
> 

Actually the display manager is sddm:
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 36  6 lug 00.04 
/etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service -> 
/usr/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service

The date of the file is Jul 06, so I think no changes was done after
the date.
So the question is, why it is so different after an update?

Bye
 Ambrogio

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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[Ed Greshko]

On 11/13/17 18:03, ogio spam wrote:
> I don't know what I'm using.
> The question is that it changed after dnf update.
> How can I check what i'm using?


The output of

ll /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service

Will point to the display manager you're using

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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[ogio spam]

I don't know what I'm using.
The question is that it changed after dnf update.
How can I check what i'm using?
Tnx
 Ambrogio
Il giorno lun, 13/11/2017 alle 10.41 +0100, Silvia Sánchez ha scritto:
> 
> What is your login screen? GDM? SDDM? Other?
> It never showed a list to me, but it depends on what do you use and
> how do you set up the theme.
> 
> Regards,
> Silvia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 13 November 2017 at 10:13, ogio spam <ogio.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > before the last updates, after power on, my fedora 26 showed a list
> > of
> > users and asked for password.
> > I use KDE.
> > 
> > After last upgrade (I can't remember what changed, but some related
> > to
> > KDE and X11) the login requires user and password, and it no more
> > lists
> > users and pictures.
> > 
> > Can someone explain me why every update change the behaviour of the
> > system? And what appened?
> > 
> > Thankyou
> >  Ambrogio
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Re: Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[Silvia Sánchez]

What is your login screen? GDM? SDDM? Other?
It never showed a list to me, but it depends on what do you use and how do
you set up the theme.

Regards,
Silvia




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> Hi all,
> before the last updates, after power on, my fedora 26 showed a list of
> users and asked for password.
> I use KDE.
>
> After last upgrade (I can't remember what changed, but some related to
> KDE and X11) the login requires user and password, and it no more lists
> users and pictures.
>
> Can someone explain me why every update change the behaviour of the
> system? And what appened?
>
> Thankyou
>  Ambrogio
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Login Page changed after last fedora 26 update

[ogio spam]

Hi all,
before the last updates, after power on, my fedora 26 showed a list of
users and asked for password.
I use KDE.

After last upgrade (I can't remember what changed, but some related to
KDE and X11) the login requires user and password, and it no more lists
users and pictures.

Can someone explain me why every update change the behaviour of the
system? And what appened?

Thankyou
 Ambrogio
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Razer Orochi Gaming Mouse Doesn't work in Fedora 26 with Bluetooth Enabled

[Stephen Morris]

Hi,

    I have just purchased this mouse for gaming use (mainly under 
windows). The mouse is both wired and wireless enabled via bluetooth. I 
have purchased a bluetooth 4.1 dongle as my pc doesn't have bluetooth 
and I have been able to pair the mouse to the dongle under Windows 10 
and I am able to use it wirelessly, and been able to use the mouse wired 
when I don't want the power saving built into the mouse.


    Under Fedora 26 I cannot get bluetoothctl to see the mouse. 
Bluetooth is enabled and bluetoothctl can see my dongle and can see 
localhost.localdomain and my TV (even though the TV has not been paired 
with the dongle) but cannot see the mouse.


    Lsusb displays info on the device id github documents as the id 
used by Razer devices. The github documentation indicates the service is 
designed to be used via xdg-autostart, but I'm not sure what this means.


    As I was not able to get the mouse working wirelessly via bluetooth 
I downloaded and installed the Razer Repository for Fedora 26 (they have 
repositories for Rawhide and Fedora 25 as well). I then installed their 
configuration applications for the mouse which both run fine but they 
cannot connect to the required service. I have also installed the kernel 
driver which autoinstalls via dkms (dkms tells me the kernel driver is 
installed) and I have installed their daemon user space service.


    When I try to enable the service systemctl tells me it cannot find 
the service. To remedy this I (possibly this should not have been done) 
placed a link to the service in /usr/lib/systemd/system which then 
allowed systemctl to enable the service. Having done this I tried to 
start the service but it failed to start. Systemctl status 
openrazer-daemon.service produced the message 
'dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: 
Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11'    , what 
does this message mean and what do I need to do to get the mouse working 
wirelessly?



regards,

Steve
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Re: Why Fedora 26 comes with old Scala version?

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/31/2017 11:12 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net
> <mailto:sam...@sieb.net>> wrote:
> 
> On 10/31/2017 09:01 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
> 
>    I'm just upgrading a laptop from Fedora 25 to 26. The upgrade
> process just announced it will downgrade Scala from 2.12 to
> 2.10. Why Fedora 26 comes with a very old Scala version, when
> the latest is Scala 2.12.4 and it is available as RPM
> <http://www.scala-lang.org/download/
> <http://www.scala-lang.org/download/>>?
> 
> 
> I assume you installed that 2.12 version of Scala yourself, it's not
> from Fedora.
> 
> 
>   Yes, it is not from Fedora. So, why Fedora doesn't provide Scala 2.12?

Did you bother reading the URL that Sam posted?

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1080923

You'll see why it's not in there. In a nutshell, Scala 2.11 and later
are not binary-compatible with 2.10 so all the packages that depend
on Scala will break. The maintainer of Scala has no control over those
other packages.

At least that's how I read it.
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Re: Why Fedora 26 comes with old Scala version?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/31/2017 11:12 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Samuel Sieb > wrote:

I assume you installed that 2.12 version of Scala yourself, it's not
from Fedora.


   Yes, it is not from Fedora. So, why Fedora doesn't provide Scala 
2.12? Thanks!


Did you look at the bugzilla link I sent in the previous email?
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Re: Why Fedora 26 comes with old Scala version?

[Oliver Ruebenacker]

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net> wrote:

> On 10/31/2017 09:01 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
>
>>I'm just upgrading a laptop from Fedora 25 to 26. The upgrade process
>> just announced it will downgrade Scala from 2.12 to 2.10. Why Fedora 26
>> comes with a very old Scala version, when the latest is Scala 2.12.4 and it
>> is available as RPM <http://www.scala-lang.org/download/>?
>>
>
> I assume you installed that 2.12 version of Scala yourself, it's not from
> Fedora.
>

  Yes, it is not from Fedora. So, why Fedora doesn't provide Scala 2.12?
Thanks!


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Re: Why Fedora 26 comes with old Scala version?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/31/2017 09:01 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
   I'm just upgrading a laptop from Fedora 25 to 26. The upgrade process 
just announced it will downgrade Scala from 2.12 to 2.10. Why Fedora 26 
comes with a very old Scala version, when the latest is Scala 2.12.4 and 
it is available as RPM <http://www.scala-lang.org/download/>?


I assume you installed that 2.12 version of Scala yourself, it's not 
from Fedora.


Here's some info on why it hasn't been updated yet:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1080923
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Why Fedora 26 comes with old Scala version?

[Oliver Ruebenacker]

 Hello,

  I'm just upgrading a laptop from Fedora 25 to 26. The upgrade process
just announced it will downgrade Scala from 2.12 to 2.10. Why Fedora 26
comes with a very old Scala version, when the latest is Scala 2.12.4 and it
is available as RPM <http://www.scala-lang.org/download/>?

  Thanks!

 Best, Oliver

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Re: repos for Fedora 26 i386 (Mate) network install?

[Franta Hanzlik]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:35:04 -0700
Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net> wrote:

> On 10/14/2017 07:37 PM, Franta Hanzlík wrote:
> > Hello Ralf and Jeff,
> > thank you for your answers. I finally found the repos descriptions here:
> > 
> > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora-secondary/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/f/fedora-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
> > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/local/fedora/26/i386/os/Packages/bellet-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
> > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/remi/fedora/26/remi/i386/remi-release-26-2.fc26.remi.noarch.rpm
> > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpmfusion/free/fedora/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/r/rpmfusion-free-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
> > ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpmfusion/nonfree/fedora/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/r/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
> > ftp://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/26/i386/planetccrma-repo-1.1-3.fc26.ccrma.noarch.rpm
> >   
> 
> Or you could just go to the websites of each project where they provide 
> the release rpms.
> 
> > My troubles were especially with the determination of the places of the
> > Fedora repos itself - thanks to my error with the evaluation of the metalink
> > reference to the Fedora 26/i386 mirror list, and also because I did not find
> > mirrors on any server I used before. The explanation was simple - while
> > the metalink 
> > https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-26=x86_64
> > returns 77 sites of mirrors, the metalink for i386 return only 5 (!) sites
> > - that were not the ones I was looking for.  
> 
> Why does that matter?  dnf will use the metalink and find the mirrors 
> that are available.  What are you trying to do?

I wanted to say that I was surprised that I could not find Fedora 26/i386
repos on (IMO) well-known mirror sites - and that I do not wonder now,
if there are only five of them. Nothing extra.


> > Reason why I'm using i386 arch - I have quite a number 8+ year old PCs,
> > that are quite sufficient for work and have only 0.5 - 2 GB of RAM.
> > (and although some of them should perhaps run on x86_64, I do not like
> > actual 32- and 64-bit SW mishmash on x86_64 (F26/x86_64 release has 19281
> > x86_64.rpm packages and 8200 .i[3456]86.rpm - 30%!). 10+ years ago I was
> > More than ten years ago I worked with Linux on DEC Alpha servers/ws, and
> > pure 64-bit wasn't problem - and now, 15 years later, we still sin for
> > the backward compatibility of x86_64 architecture. ;)  
> 
> You can run pure 64-bit if you want.  The 32-bit libraries are just 
> available if necessary, for example wine or various third-party 
> applications.

For most things I can do with pure 32-bit only ;)
It seems rather strange to me that if x86_64 contains 30% of i386 packages,
the i386 / i686 architecture has been moved to the secondary track.
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Re: repos for Fedora 26 i386 (Mate) network install?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/14/2017 07:37 PM, Franta Hanzlík wrote:

Hello Ralf and Jeff,
thank you for your answers. I finally found the repos descriptions here:

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora-secondary/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/f/fedora-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/local/fedora/26/i386/os/Packages/bellet-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/remi/fedora/26/remi/i386/remi-release-26-2.fc26.remi.noarch.rpm
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpmfusion/free/fedora/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/r/rpmfusion-free-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpmfusion/nonfree/fedora/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/r/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
ftp://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/26/i386/planetccrma-repo-1.1-3.fc26.ccrma.noarch.rpm


Or you could just go to the websites of each project where they provide 
the release rpms.



My troubles were especially with the determination of the places of the
Fedora repos itself - thanks to my error with the evaluation of the metalink
reference to the Fedora 26/i386 mirror list, and also because I did not find
mirrors on any server I used before. The explanation was simple - while
the metalink 
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-26=x86_64
returns 77 sites of mirrors, the metalink for i386 return only 5 (!) sites
- that were not the ones I was looking for.


Why does that matter?  dnf will use the metalink and find the mirrors 
that are available.  What are you trying to do?



Reason why I'm using i386 arch - I have quite a number 8+ year old PCs,
that are quite sufficient for work and have only 0.5 - 2 GB of RAM.
(and although some of them should perhaps run on x86_64, I do not like
actual 32- and 64-bit SW mishmash on x86_64 (F26/x86_64 release has 19281
x86_64.rpm packages and 8200 .i[3456]86.rpm - 30%!). 10+ years ago I was
More than ten years ago I worked with Linux on DEC Alpha servers/ws, and
pure 64-bit wasn't problem - and now, 15 years later, we still sin for
the backward compatibility of x86_64 architecture. ;)


You can run pure 64-bit if you want.  The 32-bit libraries are just 
available if necessary, for example wine or various third-party 
applications.

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Re: repos for Fedora 26 i386 (Mate) network install?

[Franta Hanzlík]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:47:44 +0200
Ralf Corsepius <rc040...@freenet.de> wrote:

> On 10/14/2017 11:24 AM, Franta Hanzlík wrote:
> > I want to try Fedora 26 i386 (with my preferred Mate desktop).
> > I prefer network installation with custom kickstart config.
> > I found that install image can be downloaded on:
> > 
> > https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/26/Workstation/i386/iso/Fedora-Workstation-netinst-i386-26-1.5.iso
> > 
> > But know anyone URLs for usual repos (os, updates,
> >   rpmfusion-{free,nonfree}{,-updates}, livna, ... ?
> > 
> > I feel as if now, with Fedora 26/i386 moving to fedora-secondary,
> >   installation became much more complicated.  
> 
> Why and how? I am aware Fedora's homepage does its best to hide the 
> i386, but just d/l the iso from the URL you mentioned above and try to 
> install it.
> 
> Unless you have a "really old" machine or are tripping general bugs (I 
> am not using Mate), this should "just work as usual".
> 
> Ralf

Hello Ralf and Jeff,
thank you for your answers. I finally found the repos descriptions here:

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora-secondary/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/f/fedora-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/local/fedora/26/i386/os/Packages/bellet-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/remi/fedora/26/remi/i386/remi-release-26-2.fc26.remi.noarch.rpm
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpmfusion/free/fedora/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/r/rpmfusion-free-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpmfusion/nonfree/fedora/releases/26/Everything/i386/os/Packages/r/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-26-1.noarch.rpm
ftp://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/26/i386/planetccrma-repo-1.1-3.fc26.ccrma.noarch.rpm

My troubles were especially with the determination of the places of the
Fedora repos itself - thanks to my error with the evaluation of the metalink
reference to the Fedora 26/i386 mirror list, and also because I did not find
mirrors on any server I used before. The explanation was simple - while
the metalink 
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-26=x86_64
returns 77 sites of mirrors, the metalink for i386 return only 5 (!) sites
- that were not the ones I was looking for.

Reason why I'm using i386 arch - I have quite a number 8+ year old PCs,
that are quite sufficient for work and have only 0.5 - 2 GB of RAM.
(and although some of them should perhaps run on x86_64, I do not like
actual 32- and 64-bit SW mishmash on x86_64 (F26/x86_64 release has 19281
x86_64.rpm packages and 8200 .i[3456]86.rpm - 30%!). 10+ years ago I was
More than ten years ago I worked with Linux on DEC Alpha servers/ws, and
pure 64-bit wasn't problem - and now, 15 years later, we still sin for
the backward compatibility of x86_64 architecture. ;)
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Re: repos for Fedora 26 i386 (Mate) network install?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 10/14/2017 11:24 AM, Franta Hanzlík wrote:

I want to try Fedora 26 i386 (with my preferred Mate desktop).
I prefer network installation with custom kickstart config.
I found that install image can be downloaded on:

https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/26/Workstation/i386/iso/Fedora-Workstation-netinst-i386-26-1.5.iso

But know anyone URLs for usual repos (os, updates,
  rpmfusion-{free,nonfree}{,-updates}, livna, ... ?

I feel as if now, with Fedora 26/i386 moving to fedora-secondary,
  installation became much more complicated.


Why and how? I am aware Fedora's homepage does its best to hide the 
i386, but just d/l the iso from the URL you mentioned above and try to 
install it.


Unless you have a "really old" machine or are tripping general bugs (I 
am not using Mate), this should "just work as usual".


Ralf



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Re: repos for Fedora 26 i386 (Mate) network install?

[Jeff Backus]

Hi Franta,

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Franta Hanzlík <fra...@hanzlici.cz> wrote:
> I want to try Fedora 26 i386 (with my preferred Mate desktop).
> I prefer network installation with custom kickstart config.
> I found that install image can be downloaded on:
>
> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/26/Workstation/i386/iso/Fedora-Workstation-netinst-i386-26-1.5.iso
>
> But know anyone URLs for usual repos (os, updates,
>  rpmfusion-{free,nonfree}{,-updates}, livna, ... ?

The yum/dnf repo files for os and updates should be included in the
installer. RPMFusion still has the i386 listed on its main page, so
you should be able to get repo files from there.

> I feel as if now, with Fedora 26/i386 moving to fedora-secondary,
>  installation became much more complicated.

I understand. Unfortunately, we x86 users are a small part of the
community these days.

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repos for Fedora 26 i386 (Mate) network install?

[Franta Hanzlík]

I want to try Fedora 26 i386 (with my preferred Mate desktop).
I prefer network installation with custom kickstart config.
I found that install image can be downloaded on:

https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/26/Workstation/i386/iso/Fedora-Workstation-netinst-i386-26-1.5.iso

But know anyone URLs for usual repos (os, updates,
 rpmfusion-{free,nonfree}{,-updates}, livna, ... ?

I feel as if now, with Fedora 26/i386 moving to fedora-secondary,
 installation became much more complicated.
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Re: How install libdvdcss in fedora 26 rpm (dvd subpicture decoder) ?

[Doug H.]

On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 18:35 +0200, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Hi Fedora lovers ,
> 
> 
> Is there a way to install (yum or dnf) the dvd suppicture decoder ?
> 
> I am not able to manage.
> 
> Be so kind to  help me resolve this , in mine opinion  , simple
> problem :  
> I did install diffusion free and difussion not free .


That and the -devel for it are the two packages still provided by the
"livna" repo.

They are listed as fc24 but this is what you get for fedora 26.

http://rpm.livna.org/


>sudo dnf repository-packages livna info
Last metadata expiration check: 2:21:33 ago on Thu 12 Oct 2017 07:40:34
AM PDT.
Installed Packages
Name : libdvdcss
Version  : 1.4.0
Release  : 1.fc24.remi
Arch : x86_64
Size : 169 k
Source   : libdvdcss-1.4.0-1.fc24.remi.src.rpm
Repo : @System
From repo: livna
Summary  : A portable abstraction library for DVD decryption
URL  : http://www.videolan.org/libdvdcss/
License  : GPLv2+
Description  : This is a portable abstraction library for DVD
decryption which is used by
 : the VideoLAN project, a full MPEG2 client/server
solution.  You will need
 : to install this package in order to have encrypted DVD
playback with the
 : VideoLAN client and the Xine navigation plugin.

Available Packages
Name : libdvdcss-devel
Version  : 1.4.0
Release  : 1.fc24.remi
Arch : x86_64
Size : 131 k
Source   : libdvdcss-1.4.0-1.fc24.remi.src.rpm
Repo : livna
Summary  : Header files and development libraries for libdvdcss
URL  : http://www.videolan.org/libdvdcss/
License  : GPLv2+
Description  : This package contains the header files and development
libraries
 : for libdvdcss. If you like to develop programs using
libdvdcss,
 : you will need to install libdvdcss-devel.




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How install libdvdcss in fedora 26 rpm (dvd subpicture decoder) ?

[Ger van Dijck]

Hi Fedora lovers ,


Is there a way to install (yum or dnf) the dvd suppicture decoder ?

I am not able to manage.

Be so kind to  help me resolve this , in mine opinion  , simple problem :  
I did install diffusion free and difussion not free .




Regards,



Ger van Dijck.

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Communication between Topfield PVR and Fedora 26 ?

[Ger van Dijck]

Hi all,

Question : I have a Topfield 5000 PVR Satallite Reciever equiped with a  
160 mB hard disk.


   Is there a posibillity to communicate between the contains of  
the HD (movies etc.) and Fedora 26 ?


Kind Regards,



Ger van Dijck.
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Re: Calligra flow 3.0.1-6 - missing from Fedora 26

[Earl Ramirez]

> 
> FWIW, if you hover on the screenshot it is from version 2.4.
> 
> If you download the source code for calligra and go into the "flow"
> directory they
> talk about "Kivio" and not calligra-flow.  So, is it possible that
> "flow" has been
> superseded by
> 
> koffice-kivio-3:1.6.3-47.fc26.x86_64 : A flowcharting application
> 
> 

Thanks Ed, this look like the case I will give that a try.

Thanks Again

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Re: Calligra flow 3.0.1-6 - missing from Fedora 26

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/11/17 18:58, Earl Ramirez wrote:
>> It seems there is no longer a calligra-flow package available.  I'm
>> not
>> familiar with calligra, but is it possible that the functionality was
>> moved into the core package if the subpackage was empty?  The
>> documentation should tell you that.
>>
>> * Wed Jul 12 2017 Rex Dieter  - 3.0.1-6 -
>>   drop empty -flow subpkg (#1470345)
>>
> Hello Stan,
>
> Thanks for your response; unfortunately, I do not see the functionality
> in any other of the calligra packages, the calligra-flow [0] is used
> for flowchart and diagrams. Let me ask on the devel list and if there
> will be no chance of getting it into Fedora repo, I'll have to package
> it.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> [0] https://www.calligra.org/flow/
>
FWIW, if you hover on the screenshot it is from version 2.4.

If you download the source code for calligra and go into the "flow" directory 
they
talk about "Kivio" and not calligra-flow.  So, is it possible that "flow" has 
been
superseded by

koffice-kivio-3:1.6.3-47.fc26.x86_64 : A flowcharting application


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Re: Calligra flow 3.0.1-6 - missing from Fedora 26

[Earl Ramirez]

> It seems there is no longer a calligra-flow package available.  I'm
> not
> familiar with calligra, but is it possible that the functionality was
> moved into the core package if the subpackage was empty?  The
> documentation should tell you that.
> 
> * Wed Jul 12 2017 Rex Dieter  - 3.0.1-6 -
>   drop empty -flow subpkg (#1470345)
> 

Hello Stan,

Thanks for your response; unfortunately, I do not see the functionality
in any other of the calligra packages, the calligra-flow [0] is used
for flowchart and diagrams. Let me ask on the devel list and if there
will be no chance of getting it into Fedora repo, I'll have to package
it.

Thanks again.

[0] https://www.calligra.org/flow/


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Re: Calligra flow 3.0.1-6 - missing from Fedora 26

[stan]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:29:51 -0400
Earl Ramirez  wrote:

> Good Day Fedora Community,
> 
> After I have upgraded Fedora from F25 to F26, I noticed that calligra-
> sheets and calligra-words was installed; however, calligra-flow, the
> only product from the calligra suite that I use was no longer
> installed.

[snip]

> dnf list calligra-l10n shows that this package is only available in
> the updates repository. Therefore, I would like to know how can I get
> calligra-flow-2.9.11-19 upgraded to calligra-flow-3.0.1-6 so that I
> can have it install on F26.

It seems there is no longer a calligra-flow package available.  I'm not
familiar with calligra, but is it possible that the functionality was
moved into the core package if the subpackage was empty?  The
documentation should tell you that.

* Wed Jul 12 2017 Rex Dieter  - 3.0.1-6 -
  drop empty -flow subpkg (#1470345)
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Calligra flow 3.0.1-6 - missing from Fedora 26

[Earl Ramirez]

Good Day Fedora Community,

After I have upgraded Fedora from F25 to F26, I noticed that calligra-
sheets and calligra-words was installed; however, calligra-flow, the
only product from the calligra suite that I use was no longer
installed.

I tried to install it, dnf simply ignores it and tries to install
calligra-core with all of the dependencies.

dnf list shows that calligra flow is currently at version 2.9.11 and
calligra-core and most of the calligra suite of tools are on version
3.0.1-6 and are in the updates repository.

Tried disabling the updates repo; however, I get the following error
that calligra-l10n is needed.

sudo dnf --disablerepo=updates install calligra-flow
Last metadata expiration check: 3:25:33 ago on Tue 10 Oct 2017 07:59:42
PM EDT.
Error: 
 Problem: package calligra-flow-2.9.11-19.fc26.x86_64 requires
calligra-core = 2.9.11-19.fc26, but none of the providers can be
installed
  - conflicting requests
  - nothing provides calligra-l10n needed by calligra-core-2.9.11-
19.fc26.x86_64

dnf list calligra-l10n shows that this package is only available in the
updates repository. Therefore, I would like to know how can I get
calligra-flow-2.9.11-19 upgraded to calligra-flow-3.0.1-6 so that I can
have it install on F26.

Thanks in advance.

- name: Earl Ramirez
  e-mail: earlarami...@gmail.com
  

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Installing pandoc-crossref on Fedora 26 using Cabal

[Ankur Sinha]

Hello,

I've been trying to install `pandoc-crossref` on my Fedora 26 system
using Cabal, but can't seem to do so. I've tried three different
machines and get the same error on all. Would someone with some Haskell
experience be able to help please?

Here's the error. I've also filed the upstream but they haven't been
able to help either. It may be a Fedora specific issue?

https://github.com/lierdakil/pandoc-crossref/issues/132

> [asinha@ankur  ~]$ cabal install pandoc-crossref
> Resolving dependencies...
> Configuring pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0...
> Building pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0...
> Failed to install pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0
> Build log ( /home/asinha/.cabal/logs/pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0.log ):
> cabal: Entering directory '/tmp/cabal-tmp-25488/pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0'
> Configuring pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0...
> Building pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0...
> Preprocessing library pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0...
> [ 1 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.PandocOrphans ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/PandocOrphans.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/PandocOrphans.o )
> [ 2 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.Gap ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Gap.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Gap.o )
> [ 3 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.References.Types ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/References/Types.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/References/Types.o )
> [ 4 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.Util ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Util.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Util.o )
> [ 5 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.Meta ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Meta.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Meta.o )
> [ 6 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.CustomLabels ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/CustomLabels.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/CustomLabels.o )
> [ 7 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.Template ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Template.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Template.o )
> [ 8 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.Options ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Options.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Options.o )
> [ 9 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.CodeBlockCaptions ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/CodeBlockCaptions.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/CodeBlockCaptions.o )
> [10 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.Settings.Template ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Settings/Template.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Settings/Template.o )
> [11 of 18] Compiling Text.Pandoc.CrossRef.Util.Settings.Gen ( 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Settings/Gen.hs, 
> dist/build/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Settings/Gen.o )
> 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Settings/Gen.hs:30:16: error:
> • Pattern match failure in do expression at 
> lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/Util/Settings/Template.hs:52:5-15
> • In the untyped splice: $(makeCon ''Options 'Options)
> cabal: Leaving directory '/tmp/cabal-tmp-25488/pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0'
> cabal: Error: some packages failed to install:
> pandoc-crossref-0.2.6.0 failed during the building phase. The exception was:
> ExitFailure 1

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Re: VMware player with Fedora 26 (kernel module not loaded)

[Mark C. Allman]

On 09/02/2017 09:58 PM, Robbi Nespu wrote:
> Hi everyone, anyone found workaround on getting VMware player loaded
> without problem ? I saw people posted on VMware community board and
> the respond are less, so I try my luck posting here.
>
> $ uname -a
> Linux fedora26 4.12.8-300.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 17 15:30:20 UTC
> 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> I already compiled the vmmon and vmnet library source successfully,
> copy both *ko file to /lib/modules//misc, ran depmod
> -a command and reboot.
>
> VMware still asking to locate and check GCC, a working workaround is
> to run with "/usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmplayer " command but when I loaded
> *vmdk into VMware then I getting "Please make sure that the kernel
> module `vmmon’ is loaded”"
>
> Tried both latest VMplayer 7 and 12. I still gettting the same error.
> I only have 2 kernel installed right now
>
> $ rpm -q kernel
> kernel-4.11.8-300.fc26.x86_64
> kernel-4.12.8-300.fc26.x86_64
>
> Tried with older kernel and still face the same error
>
>
> -- 
>
> Best Regards,
> RN
What is the output of "systemctl status vmware?"  Here's mine:

● vmware.service - SYSV: This service starts and stops VMware services
   Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/vmware; generated; vendor preset:
disabled)
   Active: active (running) since Mon 2017-08-28 14:02:16 EDT; 5 days ago
 Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
    Tasks: 10 (limit: 4915)
   CGroup: /system.slice/vmware.service
 ├─1279 /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmblock-fuse -o
subtype=vmware-vmblock,default_permissions,allow
 ├─1325 /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge -s 6 -d /var/run/vmnet-bridge-0.pid -n 0
 ├─1428 /usr/bin/vmnet-netifup -s 6 -d
/var/run/vmnet-netifup-vmnet1.pid /dev/vmnet1 vmnet1
 ├─1443 /usr/bin/vmnet-dhcpd -s 6 -cf
/etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf -lf /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dh
 ├─1452 /usr/bin/vmnet-natd -s 6 -m /etc/vmware/vmnet8/nat.mac -c
/etc/vmware/vmnet8/nat/nat.conf
 ├─1458 /usr/bin/vmnet-netifup -s 6 -d
/var/run/vmnet-netifup-vmnet8.pid /dev/vmnet8 vmnet8
 ├─1475 /usr/bin/vmnet-dhcpd -s 6 -cf
/etc/vmware/vmnet8/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf -lf /etc/vmware/vmnet8/dh
 └─1533 /usr/sbin/vmware-authdlauncher

Sep 03 07:44:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPDISCOVER from
00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 07:44:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.51.131 to
00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 07:44:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.51.131
from 00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 07:44:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPACK on 192.168.51.131 to
00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 07:59:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.51.131
from 00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 07:59:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPACK on 192.168.51.131 to
00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 08:14:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.51.131
from 00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 08:14:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPACK on 192.168.51.131 to
00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 08:29:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.51.131
from 00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8
Sep 03 08:29:16 draco vmnet-dhcpd[1475]: DHCPACK on 192.168.51.131 to
00:0c:29:b9:18:1d via vmnet8

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VMware player with Fedora 26 (kernel module not loaded)

[Robbi Nespu]

Hi everyone, anyone found workaround on getting VMware player loaded
without problem ? I saw people posted on VMware community board and the
respond are less, so I try my luck posting here.

$ uname -a
Linux fedora26 4.12.8-300.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 17 15:30:20 UTC 2017
x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

I already compiled the vmmon and vmnet library source successfully, copy
both *ko file to /lib/modules//misc, ran depmod -a command
and reboot.

VMware still asking to locate and check GCC, a working workaround is to run
with "/usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmplayer " command but when I loaded *vmdk into
VMware then I getting "Please make sure that the kernel module `vmmon’ is
loaded”"

Tried both latest VMplayer 7 and 12. I still gettting the same error. I
only have 2 kernel installed right now

$ rpm -q kernel
kernel-4.11.8-300.fc26.x86_64
kernel-4.12.8-300.fc26.x86_64

Tried with older kernel and still face the same error


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Re: Issues burning files to DVD -- Fedora 26

[Terry Polzin]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Terry Polzin  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Zoltan Hoppar  wrote:
>
>> Looks like my installation is also broken, not only the dvd writer part,
>> something really messed up by dnf. But... No clue why burning *any*
>> media is impossible, because when the process is started looks everything
>> nice - it's just torns the drive when needs to be finalised. Worse thing is
>> that drive bay door keeps closed - unable to eject - because the thread
>> can't finalize the writing, disk remains empty, and NO app is able to write
>> anything. When I tried to kill the tread, interestingly the app closes, but
>> the drive keeps spinning, and staying repeatedly in finalizing phase, till
>> I power off. Really scary, when the drive loudly scratching repeatedly
>> positioning back and forward
>>
>> Z
>>
>> 2017-08-23 20:27 GMT+02:00 Rick Stevens :
>>
>>> On 08/23/2017 10:54 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
>>> > Has anyone had difficulties burning files to DVD?
>>> >
>>> > I am trying to burn pictures I imported from my phone with XFBURN and
>>> > after what appears to be a successful burn, the DVD does not show
>>> > anything on it.
>>>
>>> The last time I saw that, it was because the session wasn't closed
>>> (finalized). Are you using DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R or DVD+RW media?
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My media DVD-R
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Re: Issues burning files to DVD -- Fedora 26

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 23 August 2017, Zoltan Hoppar sent:
> Looks like my installation is also broken, not only the dvd writer
> part, something really messed up by dnf. But... No clue why
> burning *any* media is impossible, because when the process is
> started looks everything nice - it's just torns the drive when needs
> to be finalised. Worse thing is that drive bay door keeps closed -
> unable to eject - because the thread can't finalize the writing, disk
> remains empty, and NO app is able to write anything. When I tried to
> kill the tread, interestingly the app closes, but the drive keeps
> spinning, and staying repeatedly in finalizing phase, till I power
> off. Really scary, when the drive loudly scratching repeatedly
> positioning back and forward

Can it read other discs (ones made before the current problem)?

Are you using cheap discs?  The drive being unable to focus on a disc
is a common indicator of bad discs (which can be down to a bad random
disc, or lousy products).

The other thing that springs to mind is the status of the drive. 
Whether it's laser is dirty (smoke, dirt, fluff, etc.), laser wearing
out (everything ages), or the mechanics being gunked up so it can't
move properly into position.


By the way, don't top post on this list.  Quote what's need to make
sense of a reply, and reply below what you quote, so it reads like a
coherent conversation.  If your software makes that difficult, a better
approach can be to quote nothing, at all.  Just make your reply
understandable by itself.

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Linux 4.12.5-300.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Aug 7 15:27:25 UTC 2017 x86_64

Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see
the messages posted to the mailing list.

Error: unable to decode remainder of message.
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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Issues burning files to DVD -- Fedora 26

[Wells, Roger K.]

On 08/23/2017 02:51 PM, Terry Polzin wrote:



On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Zoltan Hoppar > wrote:


Looks like my installation is also broken, not only the dvd writer
part, something really messed up by dnf. But... No clue why
burning *any* media is impossible, because when the process is
started looks everything nice - it's just torns the drive when
needs to be finalised. Worse thing is that drive bay door keeps
closed - unable to eject - because the thread can't finalize the
writing, disk remains empty, and NO app is able to write anything.
When I tried to kill the tread, interestingly the app closes, but
the drive keeps spinning, and staying repeatedly in finalizing
phase, till I power off. Really scary, when the drive loudly
scratching repeatedly positioning back and forward

Z

2017-08-23 20:27 GMT+02:00 Rick Stevens >:

On 08/23/2017 10:54 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
> Has anyone had difficulties burning files to DVD?
>
> I am trying to burn pictures I imported from my phone with
XFBURN and
> after what appears to be a successful burn, the DVD does not
show
> anything on it.

The last time I saw that, it was because the session wasn't closed
(finalized). Are you using DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R or DVD+RW media?
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OK so it just isn't me, and brasaro seems to do the same thing.


FWIW
On F26, uname -a -> Linux rwells-x260 4.12.5-300.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon 
Aug 7 15:27:25 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Using Brasero (brasero-3.12.1-5.fc26.x86_64) and an LG External Super 
Multi DVD Rewriter model GP08LU10 (via USB)

Just viewed a few photographs burned to and viewed from a CD-R
All Brasero feedback appeared normal.
HTH





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Re: Issues burning files to DVD -- Fedora 26

[Terry Polzin]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Zoltan Hoppar  wrote:

> Looks like my installation is also broken, not only the dvd writer part,
> something really messed up by dnf. But... No clue why burning *any*
> media is impossible, because when the process is started looks everything
> nice - it's just torns the drive when needs to be finalised. Worse thing is
> that drive bay door keeps closed - unable to eject - because the thread
> can't finalize the writing, disk remains empty, and NO app is able to write
> anything. When I tried to kill the tread, interestingly the app closes, but
> the drive keeps spinning, and staying repeatedly in finalizing phase, till
> I power off. Really scary, when the drive loudly scratching repeatedly
> positioning back and forward
>
> Z
>
> 2017-08-23 20:27 GMT+02:00 Rick Stevens :
>
>> On 08/23/2017 10:54 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
>> > Has anyone had difficulties burning files to DVD?
>> >
>> > I am trying to burn pictures I imported from my phone with XFBURN and
>> > after what appears to be a successful burn, the DVD does not show
>> > anything on it.
>>
>> The last time I saw that, it was because the session wasn't closed
>> (finalized). Are you using DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R or DVD+RW media?
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Re: Issues burning files to DVD -- Fedora 26

[Zoltan Hoppar]

Looks like my installation is also broken, not only the dvd writer part,
something really messed up by dnf. But... No clue why burning *any*
media is impossible, because when the process is started looks everything
nice - it's just torns the drive when needs to be finalised. Worse thing is
that drive bay door keeps closed - unable to eject - because the thread
can't finalize the writing, disk remains empty, and NO app is able to write
anything. When I tried to kill the tread, interestingly the app closes, but
the drive keeps spinning, and staying repeatedly in finalizing phase, till
I power off. Really scary, when the drive loudly scratching repeatedly
positioning back and forward

Z

2017-08-23 20:27 GMT+02:00 Rick Stevens :

> On 08/23/2017 10:54 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
> > Has anyone had difficulties burning files to DVD?
> >
> > I am trying to burn pictures I imported from my phone with XFBURN and
> > after what appears to be a successful burn, the DVD does not show
> > anything on it.
>
> The last time I saw that, it was because the session wasn't closed
> (finalized). Are you using DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R or DVD+RW media?
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Re: Issues burning files to DVD -- Fedora 26

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/23/2017 10:54 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
> Has anyone had difficulties burning files to DVD?
> 
> I am trying to burn pictures I imported from my phone with XFBURN and
> after what appears to be a successful burn, the DVD does not show
> anything on it.

The last time I saw that, it was because the session wasn't closed
(finalized). Are you using DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R or DVD+RW media?
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Issues burning files to DVD -- Fedora 26

[Terry Polzin]

Has anyone had difficulties burning files to DVD?

I am trying to burn pictures I imported from my phone with XFBURN and after
what appears to be a successful burn, the DVD does not show anything on it.

Thanks,

Terry
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Re: Fedora 26 server installation

[isdtor]

isdtor writes:
> I'm trying to kickstart a Fedora 26 server from a local repo. What is the 
> magic sauce to force installation from local repo only?
> 
> The PXE file points inst.stage2 to the local repo and sets inst.geoloc=0, yet 
> after "Starting automated install", download of repodata/* files, there is no 
> more access to the local repo. I'm logging https requests to servers like 
> 67.219.144.68, proxy06.fedoraproject.org, vm3.fedora.ibiblio.org etc. instead.
 
Not only that, but inst.proxy also doesn't work as expected. Installation repo 
access is proxied, but access to Fedora mirrors is direct. I'm wondering if 
this is related, https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=313623 .
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Fedora 26 server installation

[isdtor]

I'm trying to kickstart a Fedora 26 server from a local repo. What is the magic 
sauce to force installation from local repo only?

The PXE file points inst.stage2 to the local repo and sets inst.geoloc=0, yet 
after "Starting automated install", download of repodata/* files, there is no 
more access to the local repo. I'm logging https requests to servers like 
67.219.144.68, proxy06.fedoraproject.org, vm3.fedora.ibiblio.org etc. instead.
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Re: installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[Tim]

Tim:
>>> Have we got to the stage where the default install options for 
>>> Fedora work fine with a SSD, or should I be tweaking something?


Rick Stevens:
> For many users, LVM is somewhat irrelevant. I use LVM because I often
> end up expanding filesystems by adding PVs to the VGs the LVs are
> built on (lots of acronyms there!), but my use cases are outside the
> normal desktop users.

Yes, I think most users will only have a single drive.  And if they do
add another drive, chances are that they don't want to pretend that
they're one bigger drive.  Not to mention the fun and games of dealing
with a system when half of a large virtual drive dies and takes out all
your data.

> The "annoyances" when moving the drive to another system can be
> reduced by naming the LVs logically--typically I use the host name as
> part of the LV and VG names. Therefore if I have to move an LV from
> host "bigdog" to host "hamster" there's little chance of a name
> collision.

I've done that kind of thing in the past.  But if you forget, name
clashes aren't insurmountable (pun intended), but a pain to have to
deal with.  But even with unique naming, just mounting LVM is more
hassle than other schemes.  You can't just double click on a drive icon
and have the system work it out for you, as if you'd plugged in a USB
stick.  Or, at least on *my* system, that's never worked.  I had to use
command line tools to discover the drive and the names of its parts,
then manually mount the volume then group as two more steps.

> My recommendations for SSD:
> 
>   Use ext4 filesystems (they don't poke the journal as much as
>   JFS or Btrfs).

I went for EXT4 as being closer to what I'm familiar with.  I think
only BTRFS and LVM were the other two options presented by the
installer.

>   Reduce swappiness ("vm.swappiness=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf)

I'll have to look into that, I've read about it long ago, but forgotten
all about it.  The quick summary on Wikipedia gives a small range of
example values, that does sound like it's at the extreme end, though I
don't know much actual difference 1 verses 10 versus 60 does.

On my system I have

cat /proc/meminfo 
MemTotal:4045280 kB
MemFree: 1792672 kB
MemAvailable:2767436 kB
Buffers:  106176 kB
Cached:  1062820 kB
SwapCached:0 kB
Active:  1410028 kB
Inactive: 572900 kB
Active(anon): 695352 kB
Inactive(anon):   163560 kB
Active(file): 714676 kB
Inactive(file):   409340 kB
Unevictable:  48 kB
Mlocked:  48 kB
SwapTotal:   8388604 kB
SwapFree:8388604 kB
Dirty:   152 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages:813968 kB
Mapped:   377180 kB
Shmem: 44992 kB
Slab: 158444 kB
SReclaimable: 111848 kB
SUnreclaim:46596 kB
KernelStack:7952 kB
PageTables:39580 kB
NFS_Unstable:  0 kB
Bounce:0 kB
WritebackTmp:  0 kB
CommitLimit:10411244 kB
Committed_AS:4347292 kB
VmallocTotal:   34359738367 kB
VmallocUsed:   0 kB
VmallocChunk:  0 kB
HardwareCorrupted: 0 kB
AnonHugePages: 0 kB
ShmemHugePages:0 kB
ShmemPmdMapped:0 kB
CmaTotal:  0 kB
CmaFree:   0 kB
HugePages_Total:   0
HugePages_Free:0
HugePages_Rsvd:0
HugePages_Surp:0
Hugepagesize:   2048 kB
DirectMap4k:  173696 kB
DirectMap2M: 4020224 kB


So I don't know what amount of using swap I need to be able to do.


>   Put things that change a lot (swap, /var/log, /tmp) on rotating
>   media or RAMdisk to reduce writes to SSD

I only have one disk in the system, so swap is on the SSD, I see the
system automatically set up a tmpfs for /tmp, and /var/log is just an
ordinary directory.

>   Use fstrim periodically

That I've briefly looked at, and it's confusing as to whether it's
actually worth using it.

> And MOST important:
> 
>   Back the sucker up REGULARLY AND OFTEN! SSDs tend to die
>   suddenly and typically without much warning and it's quite
>   difficult (if not impossible) to recover any data on them.

I tend to not store important stuff on client computers.  It makes
updating easier, and I can carry on working on stuff on any PC, rather
than be tied to the one I stored things on.

> I like SSDs. I like their speed. I don't trust them much with
> critical data.

This is the first time I've used one.  I was very surprised by the 13
second cold boot up of the new installation.  I haven't had a computer
come up that fast since my old Amiga 1200.

I wonder what the longevity is for SSDs that aren't being used (*),
compared to hard drives.  

* Such as backing up something and putting the SSD on a shelf.

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Linux 4.11.11-300.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 17 16:32:11 UTC 2017 x86_64

Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to 

Re: Fedora-26: KDE Scrollbars no longer have arrows at their ends

[Stephen Morris]

On 7/31/17 6:16 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
Just upgraded from f25 to f26. Most programs run better, but 
scrollbars no longer have arrows at their upper and lower ends. System 
Settings used to have a function to control this, but it seems to be 
gone, both in native KDE and Gnome applications. How are scrollbars 
now controlled in KDE?


This has been an ongoing issue from F25 and does not occur with native 
KDE applications (for example, Dolphin) but occurs in both Gnome and KDE 
with GTK (I think it is GTK applications, the obvious one for this issue 
is Thunderbird) applications. From my experience with this and actually 
working around it, the issue is theme specific. There are themes will 
display the arrows on scrollbars and there are themes that do not. At 
the moment I am using the Breeze theme for GTK applications and that 
does not display the arrows on the scrollbars, but it did not display 
the arrows in F25 either, irrespective of whether you were using Gnome 
or KDE with GTK applications, but you could cycle through the installed 
themes and find one that did display the arrows.


I went to the extent of taking the Breeze them and manually modifying 
the css styles to specify the colour scheme I wanted to use, and to turn 
on the arrows, but I have not quite got it working correctly in all 
circumstances yet (this is its ability to display the colors I want 
rather than its ability to display arrows).



regards,

Steve




Thanks - jon


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Re: Fedora 26 - Alternate User Perspective

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 08/09/2017 01:48 PM, Craig Lanning wrote:

On Wed, 2017-08-09 at 08:52 -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote:

Gentle People:

I hate to interrupt your Fedora 26 party, but well here goes a
dose of reality from the
USER's PROSPECTIVE!

Yours is not *the* user's perspective. Yours is *a* user's perspective.
  Here is *my* user's perspective.




4) Text Editor: Go back to the old one it works way better!

If you are using Linux for application development, I am surprised that
you are using any kind of default text editor.  Most developers will
use VI, some variation of EMACS, or one of the IDE's with its own built
in editor.  Personally, I use XEmacs.


Geany...

:)

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Re: Fedora 26

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:52:59 -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote:

> Gentle People:
  ^^
That doesn't match the tone you've used in some of your rants.

> I want Text Editors, shell Windows, gcc, gdb , and ddd.

> 6) Yum and rpm: Please print to the screen the directories where S/W is 
> installed. So that I don't have to
> waste time going looking for it.

You want shell windows, so use "rpm -ql PACKAGENAME". It's the
same for CentOS, and there is a similar command for Yum. Just look
"man rpm", "man yum" or "man dnf".
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Re: Fedora 26

[Richard Hughes]

On 9 August 2017 at 16:52, Thomas Dineen  wrote:
> 8) Are you on drugs? ... Please consider carefully the possibility that you 
> are going in the
> wrong direction!

I suggest you go back to where you purchased the software and ask for
a full refund. Seriously, file a decent bug report and we can work on
the bugs, but rants like this on a users mailing list are going to
achieve nothing.

Richard.
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Re: Fedora 26

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/09/2017 09:41 AM, ergodic wrote:
> Amen!
> Let me further add that neither Fedora 26 Live or Fedora 26 XFCE work.
> I had to install Fedora 25 and then upgrade with dnf to Fedora 26.
> Nautilus has become so limited that I switched to nemo.

Then you didn't do it correctly. F26 Xfce Live 64-bit works fine. I've
installed at least 15 systems using it from bare-metal systems to VMs of
several types, including the one I'm writing this on.

> 
> 
> Gentle People:
> 
>    I hate to interrupt your Fedora 26 party, but well here goes a
> dose of reality from the
> USER's PROSPECTIVE!
> 
> 1) First of all F26's performance is very poor. its a CPU hog and
> DRAM ! I installed F26 in a Virtual Box (VBox)
> on a two processor machine and it is so slow that it is barely
> usable. In the _same environment_ CentOS performs
> with quite excellent performance. You have a massive performance
> problem here!

I don't think so. I use F26 and the Xfce desktop to develop a hell of a
lot of code--from kernel drivers to "Hello, world!" apps--and I haven't
seen performance or memory issues. I've even got F26 running in four
qemu-kvm (libvirt) instances on an F26 host with 8 cores and they're
just fine.

The Gnome desktop IS a massive resource hog and has been since Gnome 4
came out, but that's ONE desktop environment--not Fedora 26 in general.
Gnome 4 tries to emulate a tablet from what I can see, and no one in
their right mind tries to develop software on a tablet. Try a different
desktop environment.

> 2) Your new menu system is a joke. I use the system for application
> code development so I want Text Editor
> windows and shells. Why did you hide these in the basement and the
> very bottom of the menu system?
> Also your menus are slow and cumbersome. What was wrong with the
> previous menu system? Is this simply
> change for the sake of change? Have your group been taken over by
> Marketing?

On what desktop? Gnome? Xfce? KDE? Mate? LXQT? LXDE? Cinnamon?

Heavy software developers fall in to a very limited use case. One has
to customize one's menus to get the system the way one wants it (hell,
that's what "customize" means). I have no issues with the Xfce desktop
after some tweaks. In the same vein, the various IDEs I have to use
(Eclipse, Bluefish, Zend, NetBeans, Komodo) all have strengths and
weaknesses and I've yet to find a single one that's ideal for EVERYTHING
I do, but that's just the way I work and I recognize that.

> 3) Look and feel. Why in the name of hell did you want this look and
> feel? I use Linux for application code
> development. I want Text Editors, shell Windows, gcc, gdb , and ddd.
> Why are all the engineering tools hidden?
> If I wanted the look and feel of Windows I would buy windows!

Again, customize your system! Most users WANT a system like what the
default is. 90% of the stuff you want would end up in Xfce's
"Development" menu by default (I use Xfce, so that's what I'm most
familiar with). Then, if you don't like the layout, tweak it to your
desires (and note that I said "your desires"--the way you work is
not necessarily the way I want to work).

> 4) Text Editor: Go back to the old one it works way better!

Absolutely useless comment. Which text editor? Vi/vim? EMACS? Gedit?

> 5)  Your new Services configuration is a blithering disaster! Please
> bring back the configuration GUIs for
> Services and Users. Keep in mind here I am not a Linux System
> administrator! I am a user! I perform
> a complex configuration of user and group numbers to maintain NFS
> compatibility with Solaris.
> This configuration is difficult even with the GUIs, without them
> forget it.

Now THAT'S ridiculous. Again, which configuration GUIs? For what
services?

NFS compatibility with Solaris? Based on NFSv3 or NFSv4? Are you using
LDAP or Kerberos or Windows Domains or what for authentication? Do all
the systems use the same mechanism? Is that all set up correctly? Oh,
wait, you're not a system administrator. I forgot. (yes, that's sarcasm)

> 6) Cut and paste: I don't know what you did to that! (Well it use to
> work)! P.S. Solaris has a great User I/F
> GUI for cut and paste.

Then use Solaris. The cut and paste for Fedora that I use works just
peachy (Xfce, middle mouse button for paste, works fine). I haven't used
Solaris for a long time, but it sure-as-hell had a lot of issues when I
was stuck with it.

> 6) Yum and rpm: Please print to the screen the directories where S/W
> is installed. So that I don't have to
> waste time going looking for it.

First, that's two item 6s in your list. Second, rpm

Re: Fedora 26 - Alternate User Perspective

[Craig Lanning]

On Wed, 2017-08-09 at 08:52 -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote:
> Gentle People:
> 
>I hate to interrupt your Fedora 26 party, but well here goes a
> dose of reality from the
> USER's PROSPECTIVE!

Yours is not *the* user's perspective. Yours is *a* user's perspective.
 Here is *my* user's perspective.

> 1) First of all F26's performance is very poor. its a CPU hog and
> DRAM ! I installed F26 in a Virtual Box (VBox)
> on a two processor machine and it is so slow that it is barely
> usable. In the same environment CentOS performs
> with quite excellent performance. You have a massive performance
> problem here!

I have F26 installed on the metal and don't see any performance issues.
 I have it running on a dual core 4GB laptop.

> 2) Your new menu system is a joke. I use the system for application
> code development so I want Text Editor
> windows and shells. Why did you hide these in the basement and the
> very bottom of the menu system?
> Also your menus are slow and cumbersome. What was wrong with the
> previous menu system? Is this simply
> change for the sake of change? Have your group been taken over by
> Marketing?

I have not noticed any kind of new menu system.  I, too, use Linux for
application development.  I continue to find all of the tools at the
same location in the menus.  The ones I really use a lot, I put in the
Favorites that show up when you bump the upper left corner.

> 3) Look and feel. Why in the name of hell did you want this look and
> feel? I use Linux for application code
> development. I want Text Editors, shell Windows, gcc, gdb , and ddd.
> Why are all the engineering tools hidden?
> If I wanted the look and feel of Windows I would buy windows!

If you are using GNOME, it has historically had a slightly Windows-ish
kind of feel.

The only change in look and feel that I have noticed is the new
background image.  Each version of Fedora as a new default background
image.  The default F26 background image is not to my liking, so I just
go pick another one.


> 4) Text Editor: Go back to the old one it works way better!

If you are using Linux for application development, I am surprised that
you are using any kind of default text editor.  Most developers will
use VI, some variation of EMACS, or one of the IDE's with its own built
in editor.  Personally, I use XEmacs.

> 5)  Your new Services configuration is a blithering disaster! Please
> bring back the configuration GUIs for
> Services and Users.

You can install system-config-users and system-config-services.

>  Keep in mind here I am not a Linux System administrator! I am a
> user! I perform
> a complex configuration of user and group numbers to maintain NFS
> compatibility with Solaris.

If the Solaris systems are using Sun's NIS, you should be able to link
your Linux system in to use the same system and not have to manually
configure all of the user and group ID's.

> This configuration is difficult even with the GUIs, without them
> forget it.

I know that at one time there was the beginning of a GUI for
interacting with the systemd stuff.  It needed some work, but never
seemed to get any better. Now it seems to be gone completely.

> 6) Cut and paste: I don't know what you did to that! (Well it use to
> work)! P.S. Solaris has a great User I/F
> GUI for cut and paste. 

Haven't noticed any problems with Cut and Paste.

> 6) Yum and rpm: Please print to the screen the directories where S/W
> is installed. So that I don't have to
> waste time going looking for it.
> 
> 7) Convenience: STOP CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION INTERFACES. Every
> time you change the configuration
> methodology we the users have to waste hours and even days learning
> the new configuration methodology.
> 
> 8) Are you on drugs? What in the hell gave you the insane idea that a
> command line interface for configuration
> was some how better that a GUI?

Actually, the CLI for configuration allows for scripting it.  Since
your configuration is so complex, you might look into using scripts to
help you with your configuration.

> Please consider carefully the possibility that you are going in
> the wrong direction!
>  
> Overall I continue to be disappointed in Fedora and thank heavens
> for CentOS.

Remember that from the beginning, it was stated that Fedora was the
development ground for things that would eventually be part of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux.  If you want a stable version of Linux then either
buy RHEL or use CentOS.  Fedora is known to be unstable and rapidly
changing.

If you are so keen on Solaris, you might look into getting Open Solaris
for your machine.

About the only problem I have run into with F26 is that the screensaver
activates when it shouldn't.  It's like the timer for the screensaver
is not being reset when a key is pressed or the mouse is moved.

And if the scree

Re: Fedora 26

[Robert Moskowitz]

I have to get a new 500GB SSD card before installing on my old system, 
so it will be a few more weeks.


I am assuming the OP is using GNOME.  The Gnome g-ds are independent of 
Fedora and Centos.  I dropped Nautilus for Nemo back in Fedora 21.  I 
dropped Gnome for Xfce with F22.  What a difference on battery 
consumption.  My CPUs stay at reasonable levels.


So don't complain so much to Fedora.  They, like all others have to live 
with what Gnome spits out.  And Gnome's goal is to mirror the Windows 
experience.  If you don't like Windows (which I hate), GET OFF GNOME!  
End stop.


BTW, RHEL/Centos 8 will suffer the same fate with Gnome.  Gnome is what 
it is.


As far as problems installing F26 Xfce, I will find out about that in a 
couple weeks.  I will note that when I installed F24 Xfce, I ended up 
with Cinnamon!  I had to install Xfce on top of that and then select 
Xfce at login,  Once selected, I was on Xfce all the time.  I filed a 
bug report on this, but I never tested F25 to see if they fixed the Xfce 
install...


On 08/09/2017 12:41 PM, ergodic wrote:

Amen!
Let me further add that neither Fedora 26 Live or Fedora 26 XFCE work.
I had to install Fedora 25 and then upgrade with dnf to Fedora 26.
Nautilus has become so limited that I switched to nemo.
It is a shame!



Gentle People:

   I hate to interrupt your Fedora 26 party, but well here goes a
dose of reality from the
USER's PROSPECTIVE!

1) First of all F26's performance is very poor. its a CPU hog and
DRAM ! I installed F26 in a Virtual Box (VBox)
on a two processor machine and it is so slow that it is barely
usable. In the _same environment_ CentOS performs
with quite excellent performance. You have a massive performance
problem here!

2) Your new menu system is a joke. I use the system for
application code development so I want Text Editor
windows and shells. Why did you hide these in the basement and the
very bottom of the menu system?
Also your menus are slow and cumbersome. What was wrong with the
previous menu system? Is this simply
change for the sake of change? Have your group been taken over by
Marketing?

3) Look and feel. Why in the name of hell did you want this look
and feel? I use Linux for application code
development. I want Text Editors, shell Windows, gcc, gdb , and
ddd. Why are all the engineering tools hidden?
If I wanted the look and feel of Windows I would buy windows!

4) Text Editor: Go back to the old one it works way better!

5)  Your new Services configuration is a blithering disaster!
Please bring back the configuration GUIs for
Services and Users. Keep in mind here I am not a Linux System
administrator! I am a user! I perform
a complex configuration of user and group numbers to maintain NFS
compatibility with Solaris.
This configuration is difficult even with the GUIs, without them
forget it.

6) Cut and paste: I don't know what you did to that! (Well it use
to work)! P.S. Solaris has a great User I/F
GUI for cut and paste.

6) Yum and rpm: Please print to the screen the directories where
S/W is installed. So that I don't have to
waste time going looking for it.

7) Convenience: STOP CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION INTERFACES. Every
time you change the configuration
methodology we the users have to waste hours and even days
learning the new configuration methodology.

8) Are you on drugs? What in the hell gave you the insane idea
that a command line interface for configuration
was some how better that a GUI?

Please consider carefully the possibility that you are going
in the wrong direction!

Overall I continue to be disappointed in Fedora and thank
heavens for CentOS.

Thomas Dineen




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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/09/2017 07:59 AM, mitchell@member.fsf.org wrote:
> Rick Stevens  writes:
> 
>> 
>>
>> root@prophead ~]# strings /usr/sbin/grubby | grep "^/" | uniq
>> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
>> /boof
>> /dev
>> /boot/grub/menu.lst
>> /etc/grub2-efi.cfg
>> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
>> /etc/grub.d/
>> /boot/grub2/grubenv
>> /etc/mtab
>> /boot
>> /etc/sysconfig/grub
>> /proc/mdstat
>> /boot/boot.b
>> /dev/md
>> /boot/grub/stage1
>> /etc/yaboot.conf
>> /etc/elilo.conf
>> /boot/extlinux/extlinux
>> /etc/grub2.cfg
>> /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
>> /boot/grub2-efi/grub.cfg
>> /etc/grub.conf
>> /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf
>> /etc/zipl.conf
>> /etc/silo.conf
>> /etc/lilo.conf
>> /boot/efi/EFI/redhat/elilo.conf
>> /etc/grub.conf
>> /boot/grub/device.map
>> /etc/SuSE-release
>> /var/log/grubby
>>
>> So based on that, no it doesn't look at /etc/default/grub.
> 
> /etc/sysconfig/grub is, at least on my system[1], a symlink to
> /etc/default/grub.

You're right. I didn't check the symlinks. My bad.

The question still stands...does grubby actually create a new entry
based on things such as /etc/sysconfig/grub or /etc/default/grub (e.g.
by using grub2-mkconfig) or does it clone the last entry from
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg itself and switch out the kernel and such? The man
page doesn't say anything about HOW it does what it does and I don't
have the time right now to pull down the source RPM and have a looksee.
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Re: Fedora 26

[ergodic]

Amen! 
Let me further add that neither Fedora 26 Live or Fedora 26 XFCE work. 
I had to install Fedora 25 and then upgrade with dnf to Fedora 26. 
Nautilus has become so limited that I switched to nemo. 
It is a shame! 

- Original Message -

> Gentle People:

> I hate to interrupt your Fedora 26 party, but well here goes a dose
> of reality from the
> USER's PROSPECTIVE!

> 1) First of all F26's performance is very poor. its a CPU hog and
> DRAM ! I installed F26 in a Virtual Box (VBox)
> on a two processor machine and it is so slow that it is barely
> usable. In the same environment CentOS performs
> with quite excellent performance. You have a massive performance
> problem here!

> 2) Your new menu system is a joke. I use the system for application
> code development so I want Text Editor
> windows and shells. Why did you hide these in the basement and the
> very bottom of the menu system?
> Also your menus are slow and cumbersome. What was wrong with the
> previous menu system? Is this simply
> change for the sake of change? Have your group been taken over by
> Marketing?

> 3) Look and feel. Why in the name of hell did you want this look and
> feel? I use Linux for application code
> development. I want Text Editors, shell Windows, gcc, gdb , and ddd.
> Why are all the engineering tools hidden?
> If I wanted the look and feel of Windows I would buy windows!

> 4) Text Editor: Go back to the old one it works way better!

> 5) Your new Services configuration is a blithering disaster! Please
> bring back the configuration GUIs for
> Services and Users. Keep in mind here I am not a Linux System
> administrator! I am a user! I perform
> a complex configuration of user and group numbers to maintain NFS
> compatibility with Solaris.
> This configuration is difficult even with the GUIs, without them
> forget it.

> 6) Cut and paste: I don't know what you did to that! (Well it use to
> work)! P.S. Solaris has a great User I/F
> GUI for cut and paste.

> 6) Yum and rpm: Please print to the screen the directories where S/W
> is installed. So that I don't have to
> waste time going looking for it.

> 7) Convenience: STOP CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION INTERFACES. Every
> time you change the configuration
> methodology we the users have to waste hours and even days learning
> the new configuration methodology.

> 8) Are you on drugs? What in the hell gave you the insane idea that a
> command line interface for configuration
> was some how better that a GUI?

> Please consider carefully the possibility that you are going in the
> wrong direction!

> Overall I continue to be disappointed in Fedora and thank heavens for
> CentOS.

> Thomas Dineen

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Fedora 26

[Thomas Dineen]

Gentle People:

   I hate to interrupt your Fedora 26 party, but well here goes a dose 
of reality from the

USER's PROSPECTIVE!

1) First of all F26's performance is very poor. its a CPU hog and DRAM ! 
I installed F26 in a Virtual Box (VBox)
on a two processor machine and it is so slow that it is barely usable. 
In the _same environment_ CentOS performs
with quite excellent performance. You have a massive performance problem 
here!


2) Your new menu system is a joke. I use the system for application code 
development so I want Text Editor
windows and shells. Why did you hide these in the basement and the very 
bottom of the menu system?
Also your menus are slow and cumbersome. What was wrong with the 
previous menu system? Is this simply

change for the sake of change? Have your group been taken over by Marketing?

3) Look and feel. Why in the name of hell did you want this look and 
feel? I use Linux for application code
development. I want Text Editors, shell Windows, gcc, gdb , and ddd. Why 
are all the engineering tools hidden?

If I wanted the look and feel of Windows I would buy windows!

4) Text Editor: Go back to the old one it works way better!

5)  Your new Services configuration is a blithering disaster! Please 
bring back the configuration GUIs for
Services and Users. Keep in mind here I am not a Linux System 
administrator! I am a user! I perform
a complex configuration of user and group numbers to maintain NFS 
compatibility with Solaris.

This configuration is difficult even with the GUIs, without them forget it.

6) Cut and paste: I don't know what you did to that! (Well it use to 
work)! P.S. Solaris has a great User I/F

GUI for cut and paste.

6) Yum and rpm: Please print to the screen the directories where S/W is 
installed. So that I don't have to

waste time going looking for it.

7) Convenience: STOP CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION INTERFACES. Every time 
you change the configuration
methodology we the users have to waste hours and even days learning the 
new configuration methodology.


8) Are you on drugs? What in the hell gave you the insane idea that a 
command line interface for configuration

was some how better that a GUI?

Please consider carefully the possibility that you are going in the 
wrong direction!


Overall I continue to be disappointed in Fedora and thank heavens 
for CentOS.


Thomas Dineen



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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[mitchell . roe]

Rick Stevens <ri...@alldigital.com> writes:

> 
> 
> root@prophead ~]# strings /usr/sbin/grubby | grep "^/" | uniq
> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
> /boof
> /dev
> /boot/grub/menu.lst
> /etc/grub2-efi.cfg
> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
> /etc/grub.d/
> /boot/grub2/grubenv
> /etc/mtab
> /boot
> /etc/sysconfig/grub
> /proc/mdstat
> /boot/boot.b
> /dev/md
> /boot/grub/stage1
> /etc/yaboot.conf
> /etc/elilo.conf
> /boot/extlinux/extlinux
> /etc/grub2.cfg
> /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
> /boot/grub2-efi/grub.cfg
> /etc/grub.conf
> /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf
> /etc/zipl.conf
> /etc/silo.conf
> /etc/lilo.conf
> /boot/efi/EFI/redhat/elilo.conf
> /etc/grub.conf
> /boot/grub/device.map
> /etc/SuSE-release
> /var/log/grubby
>
> So based on that, no it doesn't look at /etc/default/grub.

/etc/sysconfig/grub is, at least on my system[1], a symlink to
/etc/default/grub.

[1]: Fedora 26

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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Ahmad Samir]

On 8 August 2017 at 20:59, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:50:54 -0700
> Rick Stevens wrote:
>
>> Note that on your next kernel upgrade, however, the "rhgb quiet" will
>> reappear unless you edit the /etc/default/grub file and those bits from
>> the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" variable in there as well.
>
> That hasn't been my experience. The "grubby" tool seems to just copy the
> existing kernel parameters from the previous kernel in grub.cfg. I don't
> believe anyone uses /etc/default/grub or runs grub2-mkconfig (other
> than a user explicitly doing it manually). I suppose grubby might act
> different for efi?

That matches my experience on UEFI; grubby copies the kernel
parameters from the previous kernel cmdline. So I just mostly edit
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg directly.

FTR, /etc/grub2-efi.cfg is a symlink to /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg.

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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/08/2017 12:26 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 08/08/17 14:50, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> So, yes, you're using UEFI to boot. All you need to do is edit the
>> /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg file and remove the "rhgb quiet" bit and
>> reboot. You should be fine.
>>
>> Note that on your next kernel upgrade, however, the "rhgb quiet" will
>> reappear unless you edit the /etc/default/grub file and those bits from
>> the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" variable in there as well.
> 
> +
> 
> Well that seems to have achieved the desired end. I'll see what happens
> after the next kernel upgrade, hopefully it will remain.
> 
> "So based on that, no it doesn't look at /etc/default/grub. However,
> grub2-mkconfig does seem to consult it. I suppose you could remove it
> from both /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg AND /etc/default/grub."
> 
> I had already done that routine on "/etc/default/grub" and rhgb quiet
> was already gone from that.
> 
> Anyway I rebooted and it worked as expected, the boot data shows instead
> of the egg and "f".
> 
> Thanks for the help.

Glad you got it sorted out. Time will tell if that's the final fix, but
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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 08/08/17 14:50, Rick Stevens wrote:

So, yes, you're using UEFI to boot. All you need to do is edit the
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg file and remove the "rhgb quiet" bit and
reboot. You should be fine.

Note that on your next kernel upgrade, however, the "rhgb quiet" will
reappear unless you edit the /etc/default/grub file and those bits from
the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" variable in there as well.


+

Well that seems to have achieved the desired end. I'll see what happens 
after the next kernel upgrade, hopefully it will remain.


"So based on that, no it doesn't look at /etc/default/grub. However,
grub2-mkconfig does seem to consult it. I suppose you could remove it
from both /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg AND /etc/default/grub."

I had already done that routine on "/etc/default/grub" and rhgb quiet was 
already gone from that.

Anyway I rebooted and it worked as expected, the boot data shows instead of the egg and 
"f".

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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/08/2017 11:59 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:50:54 -0700
> Rick Stevens wrote:
> 
>> Note that on your next kernel upgrade, however, the "rhgb quiet" will
>> reappear unless you edit the /etc/default/grub file and those bits from
>> the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" variable in there as well.
> 
> That hasn't been my experience. The "grubby" tool seems to just copy the
> existing kernel parameters from the previous kernel in grub.cfg. I don't
> believe anyone uses /etc/default/grub or runs grub2-mkconfig (other
> than a user explicitly doing it manually). I suppose grubby might act
> different for efi?

Don't know for sure. Haven't really examined grubby (it is a binary),
but checking for files it may look at reveals this list:

root@prophead ~]# strings /usr/sbin/grubby | grep "^/" | uniq
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
/boof
/dev
/boot/grub/menu.lst
/etc/grub2-efi.cfg
/boot/grub/grub.cfg
/etc/grub.d/
/boot/grub2/grubenv
/etc/mtab
/boot
/etc/sysconfig/grub
/proc/mdstat
/boot/boot.b
/dev/md
/boot/grub/stage1
/etc/yaboot.conf
/etc/elilo.conf
/boot/extlinux/extlinux
/etc/grub2.cfg
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg
/boot/grub2-efi/grub.cfg
/etc/grub.conf
/boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf
/etc/zipl.conf
/etc/silo.conf
/etc/lilo.conf
/boot/efi/EFI/redhat/elilo.conf
/etc/grub.conf
/boot/grub/device.map
/etc/SuSE-release
/var/log/grubby

So based on that, no it doesn't look at /etc/default/grub. However,
grub2-mkconfig does seem to consult it. I suppose you could remove it
from both /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg AND /etc/default/grub.
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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:50:54 -0700
Rick Stevens wrote:

> Note that on your next kernel upgrade, however, the "rhgb quiet" will
> reappear unless you edit the /etc/default/grub file and those bits from
> the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" variable in there as well.

That hasn't been my experience. The "grubby" tool seems to just copy the
existing kernel parameters from the previous kernel in grub.cfg. I don't
believe anyone uses /etc/default/grub or runs grub2-mkconfig (other
than a user explicitly doing it manually). I suppose grubby might act
different for efi?
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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/08/2017 11:24 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 08/08/17 14:02, Rick Stevens wrote:
>>> I see two boot partitions:
>>>
>>> /dev/sda2  976M  167M  742M  19% /boot
>>> /dev/sda1  200M  9.5M  191M   5% /boot/efi
>>>
>>> But it says "efi" not "uefi" and I dunno what the difference is.
>> There really isn't. "efi" and "uefi" are synonymous in this context. If
>> you use UEFI booting, then the boot logic mounts the UEFI boot partition
>> at /boot/efi and that's where the UEFI boot magic happens. If you're not
>> sure if you use UEFI, try "ls /sys/firmware/efi". If you get:
>>
>> [root@prophead ~]# ls /sys/firmware/efi
>> ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi': No such file or directory
>>
>> then you're not using UEFI.
>>
>> As far as the grub.cfg being hidden on UEFI systems, it really isn't.
>> The path to it is "/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg".
> 
> +
> 
> Well I see:
> 
> [bobg@Box10 ~]$ ls /sys/firmware/efi
> config_table  efivars  esrt  fw_platform_size  fw_vendor  runtime
> runtime-map  systab
> 
> And examining that file I see "rhgb quiet" in it. Can I edit that out of
> there? Is there a special procedure to make the change?
> 
> Or is what I wanted to do just not worth the effort? It's really nit
> picking as long as things work, but if something goes wrong and slows
> the boot process I feel better seeing what's going on ...
> 
> I have a vague recollection there was something in the MSI setup about
> uefi, maybe I need to have another look at that? Hate to risk hosing a
> working system!

So, yes, you're using UEFI to boot. All you need to do is edit the
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg file and remove the "rhgb quiet" bit and
reboot. You should be fine.

Note that on your next kernel upgrade, however, the "rhgb quiet" will
reappear unless you edit the /etc/default/grub file and those bits from
the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" variable in there as well.
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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 08/08/17 14:02, Rick Stevens wrote:

I see two boot partitions:

/dev/sda2  976M  167M  742M  19% /boot
/dev/sda1  200M  9.5M  191M   5% /boot/efi

But it says "efi" not "uefi" and I dunno what the difference is.

There really isn't. "efi" and "uefi" are synonymous in this context. If
you use UEFI booting, then the boot logic mounts the UEFI boot partition
at /boot/efi and that's where the UEFI boot magic happens. If you're not
sure if you use UEFI, try "ls /sys/firmware/efi". If you get:

[root@prophead ~]# ls /sys/firmware/efi
ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi': No such file or directory

then you're not using UEFI.

As far as the grub.cfg being hidden on UEFI systems, it really isn't.
The path to it is "/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg".


+

Well I see:

[bobg@Box10 ~]$ ls /sys/firmware/efi
config_table  efivars  esrt  fw_platform_size  fw_vendor  runtime 
runtime-map  systab


And examining that file I see "rhgb quiet" in it. Can I edit that out of 
there? Is there a special procedure to make the change?


Or is what I wanted to do just not worth the effort? It's really nit 
picking as long as things work, but if something goes wrong and slows 
the boot process I feel better seeing what's going on ...


I have a vague recollection there was something in the MSI setup about 
uefi, maybe I need to have another look at that? Hate to risk hosing a 
working system!



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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/08/2017 10:24 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 08/08/17 13:10, Tom Horsley wrote:
>>   (The main problem being finding
>> the grub.cfg file if you have a uefi system - it is hidden
>> pretty well :-).
> 
> +
> 
> Then that must be my problem?
> 
> I see two boot partitions:
> 
> dev/sda2  976M  167M  742M  19% /boot
> /dev/sda1  200M  9.5M  191M   5% /boot/efi
> 
> But it says "efi" not "uefi" and I dunno what the difference is.

There really isn't. "efi" and "uefi" are synonymous in this context. If
you use UEFI booting, then the boot logic mounts the UEFI boot partition
at /boot/efi and that's where the UEFI boot magic happens. If you're not
sure if you use UEFI, try "ls /sys/firmware/efi". If you get:

[root@prophead ~]# ls /sys/firmware/efi
ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi': No such file or directory

then you're not using UEFI.

As far as the grub.cfg being hidden on UEFI systems, it really isn't.
The path to it is "/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg".
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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 08/08/17 13:10, Tom Horsley wrote:

  (The main problem being finding
the grub.cfg file if you have a uefi system - it is hidden
pretty well :-).


+

Then that must be my problem?

I see two boot partitions:

dev/sda2  976M  167M  742M  19% /boot
/dev/sda1  200M  9.5M  191M   5% /boot/efi

But it says "efi" not "uefi" and I dunno what the difference is. It's a 
Fedora 26 install on hard drive /dev/sda and that drive I select from 
the boot menu. I don't think /dev/sdb/ is even mounted, was surprised to 
see it working on that.


Confused ...

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Re: Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:03:46 -0400
Bob Goodwin wrote:

> Obviously this is wrong? Whay should I be doing or is this something I 
> can no longer change?

Nothing ever looks at /etc/default/grub or runs grub2-mkconfig unless
you manually run it.

I just edit the grub.cfg file itself. It works perfectly well
despite all the dire warnings. (The main problem being finding
the grub.cfg file if you have a uefi system - it is hidden
pretty well :-).
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Fedora 26 boot messages -

[Bob Goodwin]

I prefer not watching the blank screen with the egg turning into an F 
and normally remove rhgb from /etc/default/grub.


That is not having the desired effect on this Fedora-26 system.

[root@Box10 bobg]# grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
Generating grub configuration file ...
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.11.11-300.fc26.x86_64
Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.11.11-300.fc26.x86_64.img
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.11.10-300.fc26.x86_64
Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.11.10-300.fc26.x86_64.img
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.11.8-300.fc26.x86_64
Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.11.8-300.fc26.x86_64.img
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-0-rescue-aa89d651e4d748019730a305625d3df0
Found initrd image: 
/boot/initramfs-0-rescue-aa89d651e4d748019730a305625d3df0.img

Found Fedora 25 (Twenty Five) on /dev/sdb3
done

It appears to be saving to the wrong system on another hard drive, 
Fedora 16 is on /dev/sda:


/dev/sda4   49G   25G   22G  53% /
tmpfs  3.9G   16K  3.9G   1% /tmp
/dev/sda2  976M  167M  742M  19% /boot
/dev/sda1  200M  9.5M  191M   5% /boot/efi
/dev/sda5  858G   13G  802G   2% /home

Obviously this is wrong? Whay should I be doing or is this something I 
can no longer change?


Bob


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Re: installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/07/2017 02:30 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 8/5/17 5:36 PM, Tim wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Have we got to the stage where the default install options for Fedora
>> 26 work fine with a SSD, or should I be tweaking something?
>>
>> At the moment I've let it install with whatever parameters it does by
>> itself.  All I did was change from using LVM to EXT4 (I see absolutely
>> no advantage to using LVM on a single-disc computer, and a lot of
>> serious annoyances should I pull out a drive to read it on another
>> computer).  And went with the boot, system root, and swap partitions
>> that it offers.

For many users, LVM is somewhat irrelevant. I use LVM because I often
end up expanding filesystems by adding PVs to the VGs the LVs are built
on (lots of acronyms there!), but my use cases are outside the normal
desktop users.

The "annoyances" when moving the drive to another system can be reduced
by naming the LVs logically--typically I use the host name as part of
the LV and VG names. Therefore if I have to move an LV from host
"bigdog" to host "hamster" there's little chance of a name collision.

> I have been using Windows Drive C, Fedora /boot and Ubuntu /boot, all on
> the same SSD since Fedora 24 and haven't had any issues with
> functionality of that setup.

My recommendations for SSD:

Use ext4 filesystems (they don't poke the journal as much as
JFS or Btrfs).

Reduce swappiness ("vm.swappiness=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf)

Put things that change a lot (swap, /var/log, /tmp) on rotating
media or RAMdisk to reduce writes to SSD

Use fstrim periodically

And MOST important:

Back the sucker up REGULARLY AND OFTEN! SSDs tend to die
suddenly and typically without much warning and it's quite
difficult (if not impossible) to recover any data on them.

I like SSDs. I like their speed. I don't trust them much with critical
data. I back up my SSDs every night to rotating media. Yes, I'm
paranoid, but it only takes one unrecoverable SSD to make one as crazy
as I am.

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Re: installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[Stephen Morris]

On 8/5/17 5:36 PM, Tim wrote:

Hi,

Have we got to the stage where the default install options for Fedora 
26 work fine with a SSD, or should I be tweaking something?


At the moment I've let it install with whatever parameters it does by 
itself.  All I did was change from using LVM to EXT4 (I see absolutely 
no advantage to using LVM on a single-disc computer, and a lot of 
serious annoyances should I pull out a drive to read it on another 
computer).  And went with the boot, system root, and swap partitions 
that it offers.


I have been using Windows Drive C, Fedora /boot and Ubuntu /boot, all on 
the same SSD since Fedora 24 and haven't had any issues with 
functionality of that setup.



regards,

Steve

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Re: installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[Jonny Heggheim]

On 08/05/2017 06:12 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:

> If this is true then good Milan Broz is working for Redhat ... :)
>
> Anyways: I'd recommend to be careful with trim on encrypted SSD's
He is also the main contact for the dm-crypt Fedora package.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/cryptsetup/

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Re: installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 17:31 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 15:47 +0200, José María Terry Jiménez wrote:
> > El 5/8/17 a las 9:36, Tim escribió:
> > 
> > Enable the fstrim timer: "sudo systemctl enable fstrim.timer" to
> > get 
> > TRIM done periodically.
> > 
> 
> Careful when using encrypted SSD's - looks like this written by one of
> the authors of the cryptsetup man page:
> 
> http://asalor.blogspot.de/2011/08/trim-dm-crypt-problems.html

Addendum: it *looks like* the Fedora 26 trim doesn't touch encrypted
partitions by default when starting a "/usr/sbin/fstrim -av" via 
/usr/lib/systemd/system/fstrim.service

Here's the output I got when trying it manually on my encrypted /home
partition:

# fstrim -v /home
fstrim: /home: the discard operation is not supported

So I hope fstrim didn't touch /home  :)

If this is true then good Milan Broz is working for Redhat ... :)

Anyways: I'd recommend to be careful with trim on encrypted SSD's

Wolfgang
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Re: installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 15:47 +0200, José María Terry Jiménez wrote:
> El 5/8/17 a las 9:36, Tim escribió:
> 
> Enable the fstrim timer: "sudo systemctl enable fstrim.timer" to get 
> TRIM done periodically.
> 

Careful when using encrypted SSD's - looks like this written by one of
the authors of the cryptsetup man page:

http://asalor.blogspot.de/2011/08/trim-dm-crypt-problems.html

Wolfgang
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Re: installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 17:06 +0930, Tim wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Have we got to the stage where the default install options for Fedora
> 26 
> work fine with a SSD, or should I be tweaking something?

Not that I knew about problems regarding such an install. I had my first
install of Fedora (24) to an msata SSD quite a few months ago, and I'm
not aware of any problems that I thought could be related to SSD
architecture. On a second SSD (a "real" SSD, not msata) in the same
computer I have Debian Linux installed - I never even speculated about
whether the fact the disks are SSD's could lead to problems ... :)
(Except that I heard they break without too much announcing of it ... )

> 
> At the moment I've let it install with whatever parameters it does by 
> itself.  All I did was change from using LVM to EXT4 (I see
> absolutely 
> no advantage to using LVM on a single-disc computer, and a lot of 
> serious annoyances should I pull out a drive to read it on another 
> computer).  And went with the boot, system root, and swap partitions 
> that it offers.

I think I let  the Fedora installer wipe the SSD before partitiong it -
also because MS Windows was on it before - just to make sure of a clean
install.
The only problem with this installation was that the installer at the
end of the install said something like I wouldn't be able to boot the
system. It was wrong: I could boot Fedora. Tho' I have two different --
although with different wordings for them - UEFI boot entries for
Fedora. My guess: it's a UEFI bug, or a feature ... :)

And yes: I also didn't take the LVM partitioning options for the disk.
Not for F24, and not, IINM, for Debian. On Fedora just SWAP, /home, /
and /boot/efi.

HTH,
Wolfgang

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Re: installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[José María Terry Jiménez]

El 5/8/17 a las 9:36, Tim escribió:


Hi,

Have we got to the stage where the default install options for Fedora 
26 work fine with a SSD, or should I be tweaking something?


At the moment I've let it install with whatever parameters it does by 
itself.  All I did was change from using LVM to EXT4 (I see absolutely 
no advantage to using LVM on a single-disc computer, and a lot of 
serious annoyances should I pull out a drive to read it on another 
computer).  And went with the boot, system root, and swap partitions 
that it offers.


Enable the fstrim timer: "sudo systemctl enable fstrim.timer" to get 
TRIM done periodically.

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installing Fedora 26 to a SSD

[Tim]

Hi,

Have we got to the stage where the default install options for Fedora 26 
work fine with a SSD, or should I be tweaking something?


At the moment I've let it install with whatever parameters it does by 
itself.  All I did was change from using LVM to EXT4 (I see absolutely 
no advantage to using LVM on a single-disc computer, and a lot of 
serious annoyances should I pull out a drive to read it on another 
computer).  And went with the boot, system root, and swap partitions 
that it offers.


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Re: Fedora-26: KDE Scrollbars no longer have arrows at their ends

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 30 July 2017, Samuel Sieb sent:
> Why would you ever use the arrows?  And why would you use the thumb
> for anything other than general location in a large file?  Do you have
> a mouse without a wheel or a touchpad that doesn't do scrolling? 

Not on KDE, but when window scroll bars work normally, I do find that
it's convenient to:

Scroll through some pages with a mouse wheel, but that gets painful on
the fingers with very long pages.

Sometimes it's convenient to click on the scroll bar, and drag it up and
down with the mouse, instead, for rapidly scrolling through long things.

Sometimes it's convenient to click in the space above or below a scroll
bar to page through a file (which can't be done when a scroll bar is set
to jump to an absolute position in the file, as it will jump to a point
that you cannot possibly predict).

Occasionally it's convenient to click on the arrows either side of a
scroll bar to slowly scroll through something, for those moments where
something is just off the edge and you don't want to let go of the mouse
and reach for the keyboard.  But single-step up and down clicks are
generally more useful to setting values in configuration (e.g. how many
copies to print), than page scrolling.

And that latter point emphasises a fundamental problem with the WIMP
GUI, that it's inconvenient and annoying to have to go back and forth
between keyboard and mouse.

Having to deal with scroll bars on trackpads is even worse.

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Re: Fedora-26: KDE Scrollbars no longer have arrows at their ends

[Doug]

On 07/30/2017 06:27 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

On Sun, 2017-07-30 at 14:06 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 07/30/2017 01:41 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

I really wonder why they don't just get rid of the scrollbar
completely. If you are looking at a big file and you so much
as touch the scrollbar thumb it jerks to some new position
hundreds or thousands of lines away, so you have to use
the keyboard for all scrolling anyway.

Why would you ever use the arrows?  And why would you use the thumb for
anything other than general location in a large file?  Do you have a
mouse without a wheel or a touchpad that doesn't do scrolling?

Scrolling using the wheel on my mouse is a little funky on some windows,
particularly in Firefox: the text jumps around a little and decorations
(generally unwanted but present nonetheless) don't move as they ought to.
Up till recently I did have a mouse without a wheel, which I liked, but
such mouses(?) are no longer easy to get, and I have got to like using
arrows.
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Have you considered a trackball?  I like the Kensington optical 
trackball. I use the one without the scroll device cirumscribing the 
ball, since I consider the
ball sufficient, but you might want the scroll device. These are not 
expensive, and they take up a lot less room on a crowded desktop. I 
really despise mouses (mice?).


--doug
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