Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 00:40:18 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > Care to spill the beans? That has been one thing that dissuades me > from using trackballs, or even trackpads. This is the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/99-zzz-me-last.sh file I use with my Kensington Expert Mouse: #!/bin/bash # # Setup the mouse buttons for drag lock # xinput --set-button-map \ 'Kensington Kensington Expert Mouse' \ 1 8 3 4 5 6 7 2 # Enable drag lock # xinput --set-prop --type=int --format=8 \ 'Kensington Kensington Expert Mouse' \ 'libinput Drag Lock Buttons' 2 1 This renumbers the buttons so I can make the top left one be drag lock (just personal preference) then sets it to always be a button 1 drag (there are other ways to configure it so you can say which button to drag, but that needs two clicks). With this setup I click the top left button and I'm now dragging, click it again and I stop dragging. I don't know if wayland has any equivalent, they last time I tried to find something it was utterly lacking any way to configure stuff at this level (or even distinguish between multiple pointer devices). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
The trackballs like the Logitech M570 are pretty easy to press and drag. Some of the ones with the ball in the middle are a lot harder to drag with. I use an ancient wired usb trackman marble with a scroll wheel and a retainer that prevents the ball from running away that is around 20 years old and still going strong. A number of the new ones don't have the ball retainer and on some of them the ball falls out and runs away if you have it turn over for some reason. On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:01 AM Tim via users wrote: > > Allegedly, on or about 16 November 2018, Tom Horsley sent: > > If you use X11 instead of wayland it is even trivial to setup > > one of the extra buttons for "drag lock" so you don't have to engage > > in contortions to hold down a button and roll the trackball > > at the same time to do a drag. > > Care to spill the beans? That has been one thing that dissuades me > from using trackballs, or even trackpads. > > -- > [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp > Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 > > Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. > There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see > the messages posted to the mailing list. > > Linux cures Windows pains. > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
Allegedly, on or about 16 November 2018, Tom Horsley sent: > If you use X11 instead of wayland it is even trivial to setup > one of the extra buttons for "drag lock" so you don't have to engage > in contortions to hold down a button and roll the trackball > at the same time to do a drag. Care to spill the beans? That has been one thing that dissuades me from using trackballs, or even trackpads. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux cures Windows pains. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On 11/16/18 7:12 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > The wrist rest is a bit > cheesy and doesn't attach all that well I think I used that for about a day. It added no value, for me. -- Fedora Users - The place to go to beat OT dead horses :-) :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On 11/16/18 6:12 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:50:48 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: I see I want an optical track ball device. with 2 buttons. with some sort of wheel equivalent. https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Wireless-Trackball-K72359WW/dp/B01936N73I/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics=UTF8=1542366386=1-3=Kensington+trackball I use the above trackball at home and work and couldn't ever imagine using a regular mouse again. The wrist rest is a bit cheesy and doesn't attach all that well, but the trackball is wonderful. If you use X11 instead of wayland it is even trivial to setup one of the extra buttons for "drag lock" so you don't have to engage in contortions to hold down a button and roll the trackball at the same time to do a drag. I thank everyone for their input. I am going to make a decision here shortly then tell my case manager which unit to get me. Again, thanks! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:50:48 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I see I want an optical track ball device. > with 2 buttons. > with some sort of wheel equivalent. https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Wireless-Trackball-K72359WW/dp/B01936N73I/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics=UTF8=1542366386=1-3=Kensington+trackball I use the above trackball at home and work and couldn't ever imagine using a regular mouse again. The wrist rest is a bit cheesy and doesn't attach all that well, but the trackball is wonderful. If you use X11 instead of wayland it is even trivial to setup one of the extra buttons for "drag lock" so you don't have to engage in contortions to hold down a button and roll the trackball at the same time to do a drag. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On Fri, 2018-11-16 at 11:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 11/16/18 11:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > But in my home the less cords the better. > > But in my home the fewer cords the better. +1 :-) poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On 11/16/18 2:49 PM, Robin Laing wrote: > On 15/11/2018 20:33, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 11/16/18 11:24 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> This is michigan non-fault auto insurance item, so I am not paying for it... >> >> Oh, OK. >> >> I use Kensington Expert Wireless Trackball Mouse (K72359WW) >> >> http://tinyurl.com/ycsu6gwv >> >> for example. >> >> It is big and heavy enough that the cats don't knock it to the floor. Also, >> comes in >> wired. But in my home the less cords the better. :-) >> > > I have used the wired version of this track ball for over a decade. I have 4 > of them, > including at work. My daughter has one at university. > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B9KH63/ref=twister_B019DMH6DO?_encoding=UTF8=1 > > I have worn out the micro-switches over the years and replaced them. Only > critical issue > I have had is with losing the little jewels that are the bearings within the > mouse. > These are replaceable but not from Kensington. I found a place online that > sells little > sapphire balls as replacements. The pad is replaceable from Kensington. > > My son has broken one during some high intensity gaming, it was repaired with > some > superglue. He hit it hard enough to break some of the plastic. > > You have to clean the lint and other crud from the ruby jewels every once in > a while but > that is not hard to do. Be careful so you do not lose any of the jewels. I was really surprised how much cat fur and other stuff can collect in the ball well without impacting performance. > > I have not used the wireless as I don't like batteries or running out of > charge at the > wrong time. I have lots of rechargeable batteries at the ready. The newer generation holds 80% of the charge for a year. So, I'm never concerned. :-) > > I have never had an issue with Linux and this trackball. > > Nice big ball. 5cm diameter. No strain on the thumb when trying to do some > work. Can > use the palm of your hand to control the pointer. Finger or thumb to use the > scroll > wheel. You can program the buttons but I find the defaults are what I have > grown used too. > > I have used my trackball with severe tendinitis and no issues. My son has > used his with > a broken finger for gaming. With proper adjustment of chair, table/keyboard > tray, there > is no need to move your shoulder while using it. > Yep, I love mine. Sorry I only started using one within the past year or so. -- Fedora Users - The place to go to beat OT dead horses :-) :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On 15/11/2018 20:33, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/16/18 11:24 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: This is michigan non-fault auto insurance item, so I am not paying for it... Oh, OK. I use Kensington Expert Wireless Trackball Mouse (K72359WW) http://tinyurl.com/ycsu6gwv for example. It is big and heavy enough that the cats don't knock it to the floor. Also, comes in wired. But in my home the less cords the better. :-) I have used the wired version of this track ball for over a decade. I have 4 of them, including at work. My daughter has one at university. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B9KH63/ref=twister_B019DMH6DO?_encoding=UTF8=1 I have worn out the micro-switches over the years and replaced them. Only critical issue I have had is with losing the little jewels that are the bearings within the mouse. These are replaceable but not from Kensington. I found a place online that sells little sapphire balls as replacements. The pad is replaceable from Kensington. My son has broken one during some high intensity gaming, it was repaired with some superglue. He hit it hard enough to break some of the plastic. You have to clean the lint and other crud from the ruby jewels every once in a while but that is not hard to do. Be careful so you do not lose any of the jewels. I have not used the wireless as I don't like batteries or running out of charge at the wrong time. I have never had an issue with Linux and this trackball. Nice big ball. 5cm diameter. No strain on the thumb when trying to do some work. Can use the palm of your hand to control the pointer. Finger or thumb to use the scroll wheel. You can program the buttons but I find the defaults are what I have grown used too. I have used my trackball with severe tendinitis and no issues. My son has used his with a broken finger for gaming. With proper adjustment of chair, table/keyboard tray, there is no need to move your shoulder while using it. Robin ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 08:50:48PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I am home now from the hospital rehab unit (since Friday). I have a > 'perscription' for a track ball so I can mouse right-handed unti my > shoulder heals (6 more weeks). > > So I did a little shopping and want to know if anyone has experience with > these beasts. > > I see I want an optical track ball device. > with 2 buttons. > with some sort of wheel equivalent. > I've not used it except in stores, but the Logitech M-570 seems to meet your requirements. Wireless, 2 button with wheel serving as 3rd "middle button". I do not recall if the wheel also tilts L serving as buttons 6&7 but most Logitech wheels do. There are also 2 extra buttons (8&9). Its price, $18-$35, is less than the last mouse I bought. jon -- Jon H. LaBadie jo...@jgcomp.com ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On 11/16/18 11:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > But in my home the less cords the better. But in my home the fewer cords the better. -- Fedora Users - The place to go to beat OT dead horses :-) :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On 11/16/18 11:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 11/16/18 11:24 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> This is michigan non-fault auto insurance item, so I am not paying for it... > Oh, OK. > > I use Kensington Expert Wireless Trackball Mouse (K72359WW) And to be clear, the ring at the base of the ball is the scroll wheel. > > http://tinyurl.com/ycsu6gwv > > for example. > > It is big and heavy enough that the cats don't knock it to the floor. Also, > comes in > wired. But in my home the less cords the better. :-) > -- Fedora Users - The place to go to beat OT dead horses :-) :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On 11/15/2018 08:50 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I am home now from the hospital rehab unit (since Friday). I have a 'perscription' for a track ball so I can mouse right-handed unti my shoulder heals (6 more weeks). So I did a little shopping and want to know if anyone has experience with these beasts. I see I want an optical track ball device. with 2 buttons. with some sort of wheel equivalent. So I found this: https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Trackball-Scroll-K72337US/dp/B002OOWB3O This one does not seem to have a wheel function: https://www.cdw.com/product/Kensington-Orbit-USB-Wired-Optical-Trackball/449993?cm_cat=GoogleBase_ite=449993_pla=NA-NA-KEN_MT_ven=acquirgy_id=WwgArAAABe861OvR:20181115221739:s=CjwKCAiAz7TfBRAKEiwAz8fKOOdfKblC_v3OWa4QTf-BHFPjI0Y_HHMGBReApta86dTbg0kK1A8EmBoCmBUQAvD_BwE_kwcid=AL!4223!3!198553132047!!!g!302276577052! Perhaps someone here has some experience with this? Perhpas some other brand like Logitech? thanks for all help. I have been using Kensington trackballs for quite a few years. They are quite reliable and pleasant to use. I HATE mouses! But I have to say that I have never had one with a scroll wheel, so I can't speak for that option. I have felt that using the ball to scroll with the scroll track at the side of the document was sufficient, and of course, you can also scroll with the arrow keys on the keyboard, one line at a time. Hope you get well soon. (You may never go back to a mouse!) --doug ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
On 11/16/18 11:24 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > This is michigan non-fault auto insurance item, so I am not paying for it... Oh, OK. I use Kensington Expert Wireless Trackball Mouse (K72359WW) http://tinyurl.com/ycsu6gwv for example. It is big and heavy enough that the cats don't knock it to the floor. Also, comes in wired. But in my home the less cords the better. :-) -- Fedora Users - The place to go to beat OT dead horses :-) :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Optical track ball with wheel
BTW, This is michigan non-fault auto insurance item, so I am not paying for it... On 11/15/18 8:50 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I am home now from the hospital rehab unit (since Friday). I have a 'perscription' for a track ball so I can mouse right-handed unti my shoulder heals (6 more weeks). So I did a little shopping and want to know if anyone has experience with these beasts. I see I want an optical track ball device. with 2 buttons. with some sort of wheel equivalent. So I found this: https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Trackball-Scroll-K72337US/dp/B002OOWB3O This one does not seem to have a wheel function: https://www.cdw.com/product/Kensington-Orbit-USB-Wired-Optical-Trackball/449993?cm_cat=GoogleBase_ite=449993_pla=NA-NA-KEN_MT_ven=acquirgy_id=WwgArAAABe861OvR:20181115221739:s=CjwKCAiAz7TfBRAKEiwAz8fKOOdfKblC_v3OWa4QTf-BHFPjI0Y_HHMGBReApta86dTbg0kK1A8EmBoCmBUQAvD_BwE_kwcid=AL!4223!3!198553132047!!!g!302276577052! Perhaps someone here has some experience with this? Perhpas some other brand like Logitech? thanks for all help. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
