Re: Cannot boot windows dual boot -- is this a grub issue?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 1/3/19 10:41 AM, William Oliver wrote:

So, here's an easier (I hope) question.  I remember back in the day,
when I would power up my machine in dual boot mode, grub would give me
a grub menu that let me choose the OS.  Now, it just comes up in
Windows. If I want to boot into Fedora, I have to get into BIOS boot
options and choose it there.  It's not that big a deal, but it would be
easier not to have to start hammering on the escape key when I
reboot...


Hopefully your BIOS has a place to change the priority of the boot 
options.  If you can't find that, then maybe you can use efibootmgr to 
change the order.

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[Solved]Re: Cannot boot windows dual boot -- is this a grub issue?

[William Oliver]

On Thu, 2019-01-03 at 12:44 -0500, William Oliver wrote:
> I just installed Fedora29 on my brand new HP laptop.  The
> installation
> went fine, and Fedora comes up fine.  However, I was trying to
> install
> it as a dual boot machine, and the Windows option does not come up
> either with a "normal" grub bootup or when I choose boot options in
> BIOS.
> 
> THe box has hybrid drive -- 256G SSD and 1 TB regular.  I'm
> installing
> everything on the SSD right now, and then will link out stuff or
> repartition just a bit to move things to the 1 TB drive.  But I
> thought
> I'd just stick to the SSD for installation to minimize hassles.
> 
> I didn't delete or overwrite the EFI partition, and /boot/efi has
> what
> appears to be old HP, Microsoft, and Boot directories in addition to
> the new fedora directory.
> 
> The only thing that was unusual in this installation was that I got
> the
> warning that because I was using GPT, I had to create a 1 MB
> bootsomethingsomething partition -- which I did.
> 
> So, now my drive looks like:
> 
> partition  name fs   mount sz  flags
> /dev/nvme0n1p1  EFI fat32   /boot/efi   260 MB boot,esp
> /dev/nvme0n1p2 MS reserved  unknown  16 MB msftres
> /dev/nvme0n1p3 basic data   ntfs60 GB  msftdata
> /dev/nvme0n1p5  grub2.core.img   2 MB  bios_grub
> /dev/nvme0n1p6  lvm2 pv  fedora 55.89 GB   lvm
> /dev/nvme0n1p4 basic data   ntfs   980
> MB  hidden,diag
> 
> There's about 121 unallocated GB on the SSD, and the 1 TB drive isn't
> mounted.
> 
> Eventually, this will be a triple boot system, with the other OS
> being
> qubesOS.  However, I need a vanilla Fedora boot option because
> qubesOS
> won't support some graphics I need for some apps. But, I usually
> install the Qubes stuff last, since it's such a joy.
> 
> So, I have two questions:
> 
> 1) WHat is this 1 M bootsomethingsomething I had to make?  It looks
> like it turned into something called bios_grub.  I've never had to do
> this before.
> 
> 2) Can someone point me to resources to learn how to troubleshoot
> making grub see my Windows stuff?  Or give me any ideas?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> billo
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OK, my apologies to the list.   I had managed somewhere in my poking
around to turn on legacy boot, and installed Fedora then.  I noticed
that, disabled legacy boot (which then gave the very frightening
warning of "no operating system present"), and then re-installed
Fedora, and now both Windows and Fedora come up as options in the BIOS
boot options and both work.


So, here's an easier (I hope) question.  I remember back in the day,
when I would power up my machine in dual boot mode, grub would give me
a grub menu that let me choose the OS.  Now, it just comes up in
Windows. If I want to boot into Fedora, I have to get into BIOS boot
options and choose it there.  It's not that big a deal, but it would be
easier not to have to start hammering on the escape key when I
reboot...

billo
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Cannot boot windows dual boot -- is this a grub issue?

[William Oliver]

I just installed Fedora29 on my brand new HP laptop.  The installation
went fine, and Fedora comes up fine.  However, I was trying to install
it as a dual boot machine, and the Windows option does not come up
either with a "normal" grub bootup or when I choose boot options in
BIOS.

THe box has hybrid drive -- 256G SSD and 1 TB regular.  I'm installing
everything on the SSD right now, and then will link out stuff or
repartition just a bit to move things to the 1 TB drive.  But I thought
I'd just stick to the SSD for installation to minimize hassles.

I didn't delete or overwrite the EFI partition, and /boot/efi has what
appears to be old HP, Microsoft, and Boot directories in addition to
the new fedora directory.

The only thing that was unusual in this installation was that I got the
warning that because I was using GPT, I had to create a 1 MB
bootsomethingsomething partition -- which I did.

So, now my drive looks like:

partition  name fs   mount sz  flags
/dev/nvme0n1p1  EFI fat32   /boot/efi   260 MB boot,esp
/dev/nvme0n1p2 MS reserved  unknown  16 MB msftres
/dev/nvme0n1p3 basic data   ntfs60 GB  msftdata
/dev/nvme0n1p5  grub2.core.img   2 MB  bios_grub
/dev/nvme0n1p6  lvm2 pv  fedora 55.89 GB   lvm
/dev/nvme0n1p4 basic data   ntfs   980 MB  hidden,diag

There's about 121 unallocated GB on the SSD, and the 1 TB drive isn't
mounted.

Eventually, this will be a triple boot system, with the other OS being
qubesOS.  However, I need a vanilla Fedora boot option because qubesOS
won't support some graphics I need for some apps. But, I usually
install the Qubes stuff last, since it's such a joy.

So, I have two questions:

1) WHat is this 1 M bootsomethingsomething I had to make?  It looks
like it turned into something called bios_grub.  I've never had to do
this before.

2) Can someone point me to resources to learn how to troubleshoot
making grub see my Windows stuff?  Or give me any ideas?


Thanks!

billo
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Re: Windows Dual Boot

[sixpack13]

I got a windows 7 on a second disk.
I'm NOT using UEFI.

plug off the first disk running Fedora.
IIRC windows boot loader lands otherwise on the first disk (/dev/sda)
Install Windows on the second.
Plug in the first disk and boot Fedora
then run:
sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

the next boot, windows will appear in grub's boot menu

I'm then also able to boot windows as VM via Vbox
for that VM running windows from the raw disk I do:
sudo VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename ./Win7_RAW.vmdk 
-rawdisk /dev/sdb -partitions 1,2 -relative
in the Vbox config menu regarding disk I point to Win7_RAW.vmdk

disk -l /dev/sdb:
Device BootStart  End  Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sdb1  *2048   206847   204800  100M  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sdb2 206848 40962047 40755200 19,4G  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
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Re: Windows Dual Boot

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/12/18 05:58, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 05:27 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 04/12/18 00:13, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
>>> For reasons connected with LyX development, I need to install Windows 10 on 
>>> one of
>>> my machines. It is already running Fedora 27, and my intention is to install
>>> Windows 10 on a separate SSD. I've not done this in a long time, and, as I 
>>> recall,
>>> in the past, it was by far best to install Windows first. (That's what 
>>> Google
>>> thinks, too.) But it's too late for that, and I'd really rather not have to
>>> re-install Fedora.
>>>
>>> I take it the main issue here is getting GRUB back up and running. Can 
>>> somone give
>>> me hints how to do that?
>>>
>> If at all possible I would take the VM route.
>>
>> Second to that, if I were going to be putting it on a separate SSD I would 
>> just
>> change the boot order in the BIOS and just boot from whatever drive I'd be 
>> using. 
> Yep, that too, but in practice I see almost no performance advantage
> for my workload.
>
>
Sure, I just take the BIOS route so as not to be concerned with at some point 
Windows
deciding it wants to step all the boot loader.  :-)

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Re: Windows Dual Boot

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 05:27 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 04/12/18 00:13, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> > 
> > For reasons connected with LyX development, I need to install Windows 10 on 
> > one of
> > my machines. It is already running Fedora 27, and my intention is to install
> > Windows 10 on a separate SSD. I've not done this in a long time, and, as I 
> > recall,
> > in the past, it was by far best to install Windows first. (That's what 
> > Google
> > thinks, too.) But it's too late for that, and I'd really rather not have to
> > re-install Fedora.
> > 
> > I take it the main issue here is getting GRUB back up and running. Can 
> > somone give
> > me hints how to do that?
> > 
> 
> If at all possible I would take the VM route.
> 
> Second to that, if I were going to be putting it on a separate SSD I would 
> just
> change the boot order in the BIOS and just boot from whatever drive I'd be 
> using. 

Yep, that too, but in practice I see almost no performance advantage
for my workload.

poc
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Re: Windows Dual Boot

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2018-04-11 at 11:51 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 04/11/2018 11:09 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2018-04-11 at 12:13 -0400, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> > > For reasons connected with LyX development, I need to install Windows 10
> > > on one of my machines. It is already running Fedora 27, and my intention
> > > is to install Windows 10 on a separate SSD. I've not done this in a long
> > > time, and, as I recall, in the past, it was by far best to install
> > > Windows first. (That's what Google thinks, too.) But it's too late for
> > > that, and I'd really rather not have to re-install Fedora.
> > > 
> > > I take it the main issue here is getting GRUB back up and running. Can
> > > somone give me hints how to do that?
> > 
> > Rather than dual-booting, is there some reason you can't do this with a
> > VM? Looks like it would be a lot simpler.
> 
> You could even assign that separate SSD to the VM.  Then Windows will 
> have the whole disk and won't be able to touch the other hard drive. 
> qemu-kvm has EFI support as well which Windows may want.

Yes, I do this using an old rotating-rust drive (not using EFI but
that's a detail) because I wanted a raw disk for performance reasons
with my KVM Windows 10 installation (I use it for gaming with GPU
passthrough but that's for extra credit :-). Works like a dream.

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Re: Windows Dual Boot

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/12/18 00:13, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
>
> For reasons connected with LyX development, I need to install Windows 10 on 
> one of
> my machines. It is already running Fedora 27, and my intention is to install
> Windows 10 on a separate SSD. I've not done this in a long time, and, as I 
> recall,
> in the past, it was by far best to install Windows first. (That's what Google
> thinks, too.) But it's too late for that, and I'd really rather not have to
> re-install Fedora.
>
> I take it the main issue here is getting GRUB back up and running. Can somone 
> give
> me hints how to do that?
>

If at all possible I would take the VM route.

Second to that, if I were going to be putting it on a separate SSD I would just
change the boot order in the BIOS and just boot from whatever drive I'd be 
using. 

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Re: Windows Dual Boot

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/11/2018 11:09 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2018-04-11 at 12:13 -0400, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:

For reasons connected with LyX development, I need to install Windows 10
on one of my machines. It is already running Fedora 27, and my intention
is to install Windows 10 on a separate SSD. I've not done this in a long
time, and, as I recall, in the past, it was by far best to install
Windows first. (That's what Google thinks, too.) But it's too late for
that, and I'd really rather not have to re-install Fedora.

I take it the main issue here is getting GRUB back up and running. Can
somone give me hints how to do that?


Rather than dual-booting, is there some reason you can't do this with a
VM? Looks like it would be a lot simpler.


You could even assign that separate SSD to the VM.  Then Windows will 
have the whole disk and won't be able to touch the other hard drive. 
qemu-kvm has EFI support as well which Windows may want.

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Re: Windows Dual Boot

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2018-04-11 at 12:13 -0400, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> For reasons connected with LyX development, I need to install Windows 10
> on one of my machines. It is already running Fedora 27, and my intention
> is to install Windows 10 on a separate SSD. I've not done this in a long
> time, and, as I recall, in the past, it was by far best to install
> Windows first. (That's what Google thinks, too.) But it's too late for
> that, and I'd really rather not have to re-install Fedora.
> 
> I take it the main issue here is getting GRUB back up and running. Can
> somone give me hints how to do that?

Rather than dual-booting, is there some reason you can't do this with a
VM? Looks like it would be a lot simpler.

poc
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Re: Windows Dual Boot

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/11/2018 09:13 AM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
For reasons connected with LyX development, I need to install Windows 10 
on one of my machines. It is already running Fedora 27, and my intention 
is to install Windows 10 on a separate SSD. I've not done this in a long 
time, and, as I recall, in the past, it was by far best to install 
Windows first. (That's what Google thinks, too.) But it's too late for 
that, and I'd really rather not have to re-install Fedora.


I take it the main issue here is getting GRUB back up and running. Can 
somone give me hints how to do that?


If it's an EFI system, then you should be ok.  You might have to fix the 
boot order after, but that should be all.


If it's not EFI, then make sure you have a live boot available to fix 
grub after.  I find the best option is to use the netinst image and boot 
the rescue mode.  It will automatically mount the installed system for 
you.  You just need to chroot and do grub2-install.


On second thought, if it's not an EFI system, the best method might be 
to remove your Fedora drive, then install Windows on the only disk. 
Then when you boot Fedora again, if you run grub mkconfig it will pick 
up the Windows boot and add it to the grub menu.

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Windows Dual Boot

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

For reasons connected with LyX development, I need to install Windows 10
on one of my machines. It is already running Fedora 27, and my intention
is to install Windows 10 on a separate SSD. I've not done this in a long
time, and, as I recall, in the past, it was by far best to install
Windows first. (That's what Google thinks, too.) But it's too late for
that, and I'd really rather not have to re-install Fedora.

I take it the main issue here is getting GRUB back up and running. Can
somone give me hints how to do that?

Thanks for any help,
Riki


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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Claude Jones]

On 07/26/2012 03:54 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:

On the contrary, yes it can be done. Basically, you point VirtualBox to your
physical partition which contains Windows, and let it boot from that.


I'd never heard of this option - nice trick!

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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

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> Thanks to all who responded! Wine is great but not in this case, for various 
> reasons. And I
can't probably reinstall from inside VirtualBox, as this is just the
version of Windows XP that came pre-installed (OEM, that is) on the
computer. So I'll give it a try, the hard way!
>
It may be possible to install the pre-installed version in
VirtualBox. If you have restore disks, chances are you can use them.
You may have to tweak some of the BIOS settings in the virtual
machine. This is covered in the manual. You just have to set some of
the BIOS information strings to match the ones in the real BIOS so
that the install software is happy. I have done this with Toshiba
restore disks in the past when I wiped the original, installed
Linux, and then re-installed Windows in a virtual machine running on
the same box.

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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Matt Morgan]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Marko Vojinovic  wrote:

> On Wednesday, 25. July 2012. 22.21.14 Claude Jones wrote:
> > On 07/25/2012 10:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:
> > > I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I run it
> > > from inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into Windows. I
> > > looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely new to
> > > them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real installation of
> > > Windows.
> >
> > You can't run your existing Windows installation 'inside Linux' as you
> > ask.
>
> On the contrary, yes it can be done. Basically, you point VirtualBox to
> your
> physical partition which contains Windows, and let it boot from that.
>
> The only problem is that virtual hardware detected by Windows will be
> different
> from the host hardware it was installed on, and Windows will not like
> that, so
> some extra steps need to be done (creating another hardware profile in
> Windows,
> etc.). The OP should read all the details and caveats in the VirtualBox
> documentation.
>
> Also, I've done this only with Windows XP, don't know if other versions are
> supported or not. The OP didn't specify which Windows he is running. In
> addition, there might or might not be architecture-based problems,
> depending
> on the 32/64bit installations of Windows, Linux and VirtualBox.
>
> HTH, :-)
> Marko


Thanks to all who responded! Wine is great but not in this case, for
various reasons. And I can't probably reinstall from inside VirtualBox, as
this is just the version of Windows XP that came pre-installed (OEM, that
is) on the computer. So I'll give it a try, the hard way!
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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Wednesday, 25. July 2012. 22.21.14 Claude Jones wrote:
> On 07/25/2012 10:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:
> > I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I run it
> > from inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into Windows. I
> > looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely new to
> > them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real installation of
> > Windows.
> 
> You can't run your existing Windows installation 'inside Linux' as you
> ask.

On the contrary, yes it can be done. Basically, you point VirtualBox to your 
physical partition which contains Windows, and let it boot from that.

The only problem is that virtual hardware detected by Windows will be different 
from the host hardware it was installed on, and Windows will not like that, so 
some extra steps need to be done (creating another hardware profile in Windows, 
etc.). The OP should read all the details and caveats in the VirtualBox 
documentation.

Also, I've done this only with Windows XP, don't know if other versions are 
supported or not. The OP didn't specify which Windows he is running. In 
addition, there might or might not be architecture-based problems, depending 
on the 32/64bit installations of Windows, Linux and VirtualBox.

HTH, :-)
Marko




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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Joachim Backes]

On 07/26/2012 07:07 AM, Roger wrote:
> On 26/07/12 14:52, Richard Vickery wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Steven Stern
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> On 07/25/2012 09:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:
>> > I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I
>> run it
>> > from inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into
>> Windows. I
>> > looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely
>> new to
>> > them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real
>> installation of
>> > Windows.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Matt

Hi all,

I found the link:

http://blog.amhill.net/2010/01/27/linux-ftw-using-virtualbox-with-an-existing-windows-partition/

Hope, it helps!

>
>>
>> What is the thought of WINE? 

I think that was not the question!

Kind regards

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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Roger]

On 26/07/12 14:52, Richard Vickery wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Steven Stern 
> wrote:


On 07/25/2012 09:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:
> I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I
run it
> from inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into
Windows. I
> looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely
new to
> them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real
installation of
> Windows.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
I run XP in VirtualBox (from the Oracle repo) on my machine and it's
very happy with about 1.5G of memory.

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What is the thought of WINE?


As far as I can tell you have to install windows inside VirtualBox or 
other Virtual system. As I understand it they don't pick up a previous 
install in another partition or hard drive.

That's my experience.
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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Richard Vickery]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Steven Stern <
subscribed-li...@sterndata.com> wrote:

> On 07/25/2012 09:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:
> > I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I run it
> > from inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into Windows. I
> > looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely new to
> > them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real installation of
> > Windows.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matt
> >
> >
> I run XP in VirtualBox (from the Oracle repo) on my machine and it's
> very happy with about 1.5G of memory.
>
> --
> -- Steve
>
>
What is the thought of WINE?
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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Steven Stern]

On 07/25/2012 09:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:
> I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I run it
> from inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into Windows. I
> looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely new to
> them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real installation of
> Windows.
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 
> 
I run XP in VirtualBox (from the Oracle repo) on my machine and it's
very happy with about 1.5G of memory.

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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Claude Jones]

On 07/25/2012 10:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:

I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I run it
from inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into Windows. I
looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely new to
them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real installation of
Windows.


You can't run your existing Windows installation 'inside Linux' as you 
ask. Virtual Box works well for me and this is how it's done. You 
install Virtual Box, then open the program and create a new virtual 
machine; you will be asked some parameters such as drive size, how many 
processors to use, how much memory you want to use, and what operating 
system the virtual machine will use. Once the new virtual machine is 
configured, you can instruct it to boot from your DVD drive, insert your 
Windows disk in the drive, and start up your new virtual machine. It 
will detect the DVD in the drive and boot from it, and let you install 
an instance of Windows. That's the basics - I happen to be working from 
my Linux box at home, using a Windows 7 virtual machine running under 
Virtual Box, which is logged into my workplace through a VPN connection, 
and I'm administering a bunch of Windows Servers, so I can attest, it 
works well.


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Brunswick, MD, USA


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Re: Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

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On 07/25/2012 09:01 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:
> I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I run it from 
> inside Linux
somehow? That is, without rebooting into Windows. I looked at
VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely new to them)
but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real installation of
Windows.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
Before you start playing with this, duplicate your hardware profile
in Windows. You will probably need one profile when you boot Windows
directly, and one when you boot it in a virtual machine.

I have not used Virtual Machine Manager, but you can read about how
to do it with VirtualBox in:

9.8.1 Using a raw host hard disk from a guest

Be sure to make good backups and head the warnings. This is for
"expert users only" according to the manual. It used to be possible
from VMWare, but I have not tried it in a while, so I do not know if
it is currently supported.

Mikkel
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taste good with Ketchup!
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Run my windows dual-boot install in a window in f17

[Matt Morgan]

I have Windows actually installed on a separate partition. Can I run it
from inside Linux somehow? That is, without rebooting into Windows. I
looked at VirtualBox and Virtual Machine Manager (I'm completely new to
them) but it wasn't obvious that they could use a real installation of
Windows.

Thanks,
Matt
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