Re: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question
Hi, Lukáš, Yes. I did not try it with VS 2010 myself, but it is documented that way, and it was the same with the 2008 version where I tried the Express edition at home and the professional at work. Grüße, Markus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto:users- boun...@lists.ironpython.com] Im Auftrag von Lukáš Dubeda Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 18:59 An: Discussion of IronPython Betreff: Re: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question Thanks Markus, for the explanation. So, basically, if I buy the VS 2010 Professional, I'll get both, the IronPython tools support as well as the ability to design WPF or WinForms applications? Thanks again, much appretiated, Lukáš Duběda Director [T] +420 602 444 164 duber studio(tm) [M] i...@duber.cz [W] http://www.duber.cz [A] R.A.Dvorského 601, Praha 10 [A] 10900, Czech Republic, Europe On 13.4.2011 9:41, Markus Schaber wrote: Hi, Lukáš, The restriction here is not within IronPython tools, but within Visual Studio Express. Microsoft released the free (as in free beer) express editions with artificial restrictions. (My personal guess is that one reason is to prevent other free IDEs from gaining enough momentum that they can start rivaling the commercial editions, and another one is that their marketers can argument there are powerful free development tools for .NET, so students etc. don't go to Java (Eclipse, Netbeans), or Linux.). One of those restrictions is that they only support one language (one cannot edit C# and VB projects in the same running instance, even when both editions are installed), another one is that no plugins are allowed. Those restrictions are meant to motivate power users (or any serious user) to buy the commercial versions. The integrated Shell is the unrestricted, but barebone framework / environment without any languages and plugins, they release it for free to 3rd party vendors (like IronPython tools, or Delphi Prism), to bind them to their framework and platform. Regards, Markus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto:users- boun...@lists.ironpython.com] Im Auftrag von Lukáš Dubeda Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. April 2011 19:28 An: Discussion of IronPython Betreff: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question Hi there everyone, I have a, perhaps lame, question. I downloaded the VS 2010 Integrated Shell and installed the IronPython tools for it. However, does the VS 2010 IS have a WPF and WinForms designer? I can't seem to get it working. :( Also, the IPy tools are available only for the Integrated Shell and actual commercial versions of Visual Studio, is that right? I'm asking because I get both WPF and WinForms designers in the Visual Studio 2010 C# Express, but it's a pain to design my GUI in one package and write IPy code for it in another. Is there any solution for this? Thank you very much in advance, cheers, -- Lukáš Duběda Director [T] +420 602 444 164 duber studio(tm) [M] i...@duber.cz [W] http://www.duber.cz [A] R.A.Dvorského 601, Praha 10 [A] 10900, Czech Republic, Europe ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question
Hi, Lukáš, The restriction here is not within IronPython tools, but within Visual Studio Express. Microsoft released the free (as in free beer) express editions with artificial restrictions. (My personal guess is that one reason is to prevent other free IDEs from gaining enough momentum that they can start rivaling the commercial editions, and another one is that their marketers can argument there are powerful free development tools for .NET, so students etc. don't go to Java (Eclipse, Netbeans), or Linux.). One of those restrictions is that they only support one language (one cannot edit C# and VB projects in the same running instance, even when both editions are installed), another one is that no plugins are allowed. Those restrictions are meant to motivate power users (or any serious user) to buy the commercial versions. The integrated Shell is the unrestricted, but barebone framework / environment without any languages and plugins, they release it for free to 3rd party vendors (like IronPython tools, or Delphi Prism), to bind them to their framework and platform. Regards, Markus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto:users- boun...@lists.ironpython.com] Im Auftrag von Lukáš Dubeda Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. April 2011 19:28 An: Discussion of IronPython Betreff: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question Hi there everyone, I have a, perhaps lame, question. I downloaded the VS 2010 Integrated Shell and installed the IronPython tools for it. However, does the VS 2010 IS have a WPF and WinForms designer? I can't seem to get it working. :( Also, the IPy tools are available only for the Integrated Shell and actual commercial versions of Visual Studio, is that right? I'm asking because I get both WPF and WinForms designers in the Visual Studio 2010 C# Express, but it's a pain to design my GUI in one package and write IPy code for it in another. Is there any solution for this? Thank you very much in advance, cheers, -- Lukáš Duběda Director [T] +420 602 444 164 duber studio(tm) [M] i...@duber.cz [W] http://www.duber.cz [A] R.A.Dvorského 601, Praha 10 [A] 10900, Czech Republic, Europe ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question
Thanks Markus, for the explanation. So, basically, if I buy the VS 2010 Professional, I'll get both, the IronPython tools support as well as the ability to design WPF or WinForms applications? Thanks again, much appretiated, Lukáš Duběda Director [T] +420 602 444 164 duber studio(tm) [M] i...@duber.cz [W] http://www.duber.cz [A] R.A.Dvorského 601, Praha 10 [A] 10900, Czech Republic, Europe On 13.4.2011 9:41, Markus Schaber wrote: Hi, Lukáš, The restriction here is not within IronPython tools, but within Visual Studio Express. Microsoft released the free (as in free beer) express editions with artificial restrictions. (My personal guess is that one reason is to prevent other free IDEs from gaining enough momentum that they can start rivaling the commercial editions, and another one is that their marketers can argument there are powerful free development tools for .NET, so students etc. don't go to Java (Eclipse, Netbeans), or Linux.). One of those restrictions is that they only support one language (one cannot edit C# and VB projects in the same running instance, even when both editions are installed), another one is that no plugins are allowed. Those restrictions are meant to motivate power users (or any serious user) to buy the commercial versions. The integrated Shell is the unrestricted, but barebone framework / environment without any languages and plugins, they release it for free to 3rd party vendors (like IronPython tools, or Delphi Prism), to bind them to their framework and platform. Regards, Markus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto:users- boun...@lists.ironpython.com] Im Auftrag von Lukáš Dubeda Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. April 2011 19:28 An: Discussion of IronPython Betreff: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question Hi there everyone, I have a, perhaps lame, question. I downloaded the VS 2010 Integrated Shell and installed the IronPython tools for it. However, does the VS 2010 IS have a WPF and WinForms designer? I can't seem to get it working. :( Also, the IPy tools are available only for the Integrated Shell and actual commercial versions of Visual Studio, is that right? I'm asking because I get both WPF and WinForms designers in the Visual Studio 2010 C# Express, but it's a pain to design my GUI in one package and write IPy code for it in another. Is there any solution for this? Thank you very much in advance, cheers, -- Lukáš Duběda Director [T] +420 602 444 164 duber studio(tm) [M] i...@duber.cz [W] http://www.duber.cz [A] R.A.Dvorského 601, Praha 10 [A] 10900, Czech Republic, Europe ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question
Lukáš wrote: Now, I'm wondering, how did you get the WPF designer to work in the Integrated Shell version of VS? I don't seem to be able to get it working (basically after choosing the WPF IPy template to start with, nothing shows up). :( I just did file-new project, selected the WPF project, and then double clicked on the XAML file in the new project to open the designer. ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] VS 2010 Integrated Shell question
Ah, of course, I had the project explorer (or whatever is that area called) hidden and thus I wasn't able to select the XAML file. Sorry for this, it works now for me. Thank you very much, once again! :) Lukáš Duběda Director [T] +420 602 444 164 duber studio(tm) [M] i...@duber.cz [W] http://www.duber.cz [A] R.A.Dvorského 601, Praha 10 [A] 10900, Czech Republic, Europe On 13.4.2011 22:43, Dino Viehland wrote: Lukáš wrote: Now, I'm wondering, how did you get the WPF designer to work in the Integrated Shell version of VS? I don't seem to be able to get it working (basically after choosing the WPF IPy template to start with, nothing shows up). :( I just did file-new project, selected the WPF project, and then double clicked on the XAML file in the new project to open the designer. ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
