Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Excellent. Click the link st the start of ths thread and join the NetCAT program. I’ve now heard from several people who’re concerned they’re not skilled enough to participate in NetCAT. Please put that concern aside. You’ll join a NetCAT tribe, based on your feature of choice in NetBeans, and

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

2018-03-07 Thread Chuck Davis
I'm currently in Seattle working on a contract accounting project but when I get home Friday I'll join NetCAT. Any particular area of need? I'll be using Linux. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Excellent. Click the link st the

Re: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

2018-03-07 Thread John McDonnell
Hi Gary, I just tried it there, created a new project in NetBeans 8.2 (Maven -> Web Application) and didn't have any issues. Have you tried the command line, i.e. creating the project using a Maven archetype? $ mvn archetype:generate -DgroupId={project-packaging} -DartifactId={project-name}

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

2018-03-07 Thread Niklas Matthies
Done. I also created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-452. Niklas On Wed 2018-03-07 at 12:30h, cowwoc wrote on users: > PSA: Please move discussion over to > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447 :) > > Thank you, > Gili > > On 2018-03-07 9:48 AM, Niklas Matthies

Re: Using Maven Web Apps with Netbeans 9 BETA

2018-03-07 Thread Enrico Olivelli
Il mer 7 mar 2018, 00:35 John Muczynski ha scritto: > Hi Enrico, > > The module interfaces and update sites have the same apis in both 8.2 and > 9.0 so ... > just connect your 9.0 to an update site for NetBeans 8.2 and away you go. > It is working! Thank you Enrico > > Kind

Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

2018-03-07 Thread Greenberg, Gary
I am trying to create new Maven Web project. Filled out all fields in the dialog box but then I am getting the following: Scanning for projects... Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-deploy-plugin/2.7/maven-deploy-plugin-2.7.pom Failed to retrieve

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

2018-03-07 Thread Chuck Davis
Being recently retired I have some time on my hands. I am not an expert at anything but if somebody wants to hold my hand and tell me what to do -- I'll try. I've used the GUI builder substantially in the past but have moved on to FX for my apps. I need to learn how Maven works -- it's a big

RE: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

2018-03-07 Thread Greenberg, Gary
Just tried it and got same errors. From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:34 AM To: Greenberg, Gary Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2 Hi Gary, I just tried it there,

RE: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

2018-03-07 Thread Greenberg, Gary
I solved the problem by editing proxies section in my C:\Program Files\NetBeans\8.2\java\maven\conf\settings.xml file From: Greenberg, Gary [mailto:ggree...@visa.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:54 AM To: John McDonnell Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Would be good if someone would verify this -- when I look at the VOTE thread, the source signatures have been verified: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/859cbc7d2f4631983e48e24e7c1053439cbebfee133cc9b3745046b4@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E However, quite possibly the convenience binary

JRE updates and the new development cycle.

2018-03-07 Thread Derik Devecchio
This is possibly off topic. Does anyone on this list know how Java.com and the JRE update program will treat the 6 month development cycle planned for Java 10+? Currently neither of these tools is pushing Java 9 to end users yet, and Java 10 will be here soon! I bring this up

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Owen Thomas
I quite enjoy NetBeans, and I would like to aver my wishes for it's ongoing success. I am looking at contributing to this thread with some hesitation, so I'll put my statements forth, and then see what becomes of what I say before I venture more. Contributing more than "anonymous usage data" is a

incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

2018-03-07 Thread Leo Donahue
Hi, Is this the right list for this question? I'm trying to verify the PGP ASC and KEY file but I get a bad signature message. I'm here: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-beta.html In Terminal: wget

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

2018-03-07 Thread John McDonnell
I got something slightly different... I have a good signature when verifying the .asc file, but when I do an md5 or sha1 check on the zip file I get different results as to whats currently on the website: Johns-MacBook-Pro-2:netbeans_sig_test john$ wget

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

2018-03-07 Thread Jiří Kovalský
Awesome! If you can help with testing the GUI Builder we would actually very much appreciate it. In order to participate we will need your JIRA account, Synergy account, version and distro of your Linux, CPU & RAM configuration, minimal weekly availability and tribe of your choice. See here:

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Owen Thomas
https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-thomas-84564a13b/ I think will be me. On 8 March 2018 at 11:32, John Muczynski wrote: > There are 933 Owen Thomas in LinkedIn ! > > > -- > Johnny Muczynski > 734-262-2045 > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Owen Thomas

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Frank Burough
Owen: I am a currently unemployed software engineer myself. I have been in the industry in various roles for well over 30 years but am not ready to retire. However, I look at my current time of unemployment as an opportunity to pay back to the NetBeans community some of what I have gained from

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread John Muczynski
There are 933 Owen Thomas in LinkedIn ! -- Johnny Muczynski 734-262-2045 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Owen Thomas wrote: > I've been unemployed since 2008. It seems that the industry is blind to > people who want to contribute in a way that does not see them

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Owen Thomas
I've been unemployed since 2008. It seems that the industry is blind to people who want to contribute in a way that does not see them ensconced in a nomadic lifestyle where the contributor must move involuntarily at the whims of employers. I've hence resolved only to contribute time voluntarily

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

2018-03-07 Thread John McDonnell
Hi Leo, I didn't import the keys, as I had previously done this step... But I'm looking at a different file then you: https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/ incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0- beta-bin.zip(you)

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

2018-03-07 Thread cowwoc
Please add your comments to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447 Thank you, Gili On 2018-03-07 3:51 AM, Thomas Kellerer wrote: I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion" section or maybe the "Formatter" section for JavaDocs. Btw: The fully qualified path

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

2018-03-07 Thread cowwoc
PSA: Please move discussion over to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447 :) Thank you, Gili On 2018-03-07 9:48 AM, Niklas Matthies wrote: I'm not sure why there should be an option here, instead of always inserting the non-qualified name for imported names. There is no option

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread José J . Rodriguez
Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez > wrote: Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
All the time you have now spent in this discussion, which is clearly not going to end with anyone spending the time to take your money, you could have spent on signing up to the NetCAT process and then following step by step instructions -- that don't require any special knowledge -- to help

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Maybe you're right. I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity to be the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms socialism in prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans? Sorry to hear that this won't work for NetBeans, I tried to help!

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Peter Steele wrote: > > > Keep up your enthusiasm  If you have time, contribute, if not then you > will need to wait patiently for the first version. > I would go a bit further than that and say that if, after Apache NetBeans is released,

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT, you get step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where. We don’t want your money, we want your time. Gj On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com wrote: > I would love to but I

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread ashtonho...@ymail.com.INVALID
I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills to do a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to pay for skills when contributors are running low though, surely? Original Message Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!From: Geertjan

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Peter Steele
Ashton What i think people are saying is, they appreciate your offer of helping financially but at this stage, in the migration to Apache, the focus is getting the first release out for which the netcat process is key. Once netbeans is more established in Apache i am sure suggestions like this

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Nope. No one has said that there will not be commercial activity around NetBeans. In fact, very explicitly it's been pointed out that such a thing may happen -- and in fact there's even the start of commercial support page on netbeans.apache.org:

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

2018-03-07 Thread Thomas Kellerer
I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion" section or maybe the "Formatter" section for JavaDocs. Btw: The fully qualified path is not necessary in the JavaDocs if that class is already imported. The class names in the JavaDocs share the same "visibility" rules as regular

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element of assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than time at the moment, that's all I can offer. On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread code
Hi, Sometimes a project need time more than money. And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any legal around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...) Jean-Michel On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote: > > What if my time is more

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business structure to competitors as well though so it's not as easy. So you think it's impossible? On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:38:34 GMT, wrote: Hi, Sometimes a project need time more than money. And

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Neil C Smith
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 13:05 Ashton Hogan wrote: > Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed business, it's been > bought out by CanYa > My reading of that is that it *was* closing down as a (semi) failed business, but that CanYa are now investing in it.

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Just note that Apache projects do not compete with anyone or anything. They exist to serve a community. That's what Apache NetBeans is all about, providing software development features to serve those who want to make use of them. As an Apache project we are explicitly not in competition with

Re: Java EE version support

2018-03-07 Thread James Finnall
My Tomcat server is 8.5.23 On Tue, 2018-03-06 at 16:03 +, Peter Steele wrote: > You need tomcat 8/9 for servlet 3.1 support which is what j2ee 7 > provides > > On 6 Mar 2018 15:58, "Geertjan Wielenga" l.com> wrote: > > There's a pretty big difference between

Re: How do you prioritize tasks

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
There are no main architects, there are no main anythings. We are all in this together and decide together what the priorities are. Those working on NetCAT (netbeans.apache.org/participate/netcat.html) will come with a proposal on which issues to be fixed for a specific release and through

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
In theory yes but in practice as soon as someone comes along and uses a license, they grow and apache dies. Who wants to do business with dying dependencies? Answer: NO ONE On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:44:47 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Mar 7,

How do you prioritize tasks

2018-03-07 Thread Bo Andersen
I am just curious, how do you prioritize stories in JIRA? Lot of people may create bugs, features requests and set it has high priority to get there specific case/request solved. What if some one has a feature request, which not benefit the majority of users, but only make the ide more

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
BountySource failed for a reason, if I told you the reason, you'd just argue with me... I think you might be over-complicating things a bit, look at your competitor, intellij, they're winning because they're embracing capitalism and prosperity. They use licenses to profit and it's WORKING!

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...That's what Apache NetBeans is all about, > providing software development features to serve those who want to make use > of them... And that use might include making money with NetBeans - consulting,

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Neil C Smith
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 10:48 Ashton Hogan wrote: > I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity to > be the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms socialism > in prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans? >

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > ...Are there any thoughts / info about using something like > Bountysource?... I don't know much about Bountysource but from the ASF's side, as long as the ASF has nothing to do with the money, contributions go through

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
I've also tried begging for contributions, it got me nowhere, I eventually just settled for paying for them instead which moved me forward way quicker... this is just my personal experience, I can't speak for everyone and I'm humbled by the development of the IDE that is NetBeans. On

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
So, pitch in and get involved and NetBeans won't become dormant. This is the end of this thread for me. :-) Gj On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Ashton Hogan wrote: > Yes, I know, I work for these companies myself and I use a lot of apache > dependencies. What I

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed business, it's been bought out by CanYa On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:01:20 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > ...Are there any

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Thanks Bertrand. I don't really participate in too many mailing lists to be honest. Every time I do, it seems to end with me being too lazy to understand other peoples ideas so I just tend to turn them down... I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've seen so

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Ashton, OK, feel free to go ahead and start a new thread about setting up something similar to tomitribe.com. Starting that discussion would be a great contribution -- at some point and, sure, why not start that discussion now, such an entity might be useful. However, for setting up that entity

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Yes, I know, I work for these companies myself and I use a lot of apache dependencies. What I mean is that many of these GOOD projects die out not because they're useless but because they become dormant On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 12:07:15 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ashton Hogan wrote: > ...I've also tried begging for contributions, it got me nowhere, I eventually > just settled >for paying for them instead which moved me forward way quicker... this is just >my > personal experience...

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ashton Hogan wrote: > ...I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've > seen so many apache projects die out over the years, probably due to this > policy... The Apache model is not for all projects

Re: How do you prioritize tasks

2018-03-07 Thread Neil C Smith
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 13:38 Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > There are no main architects, there are no main anythings. We are all in > this together and decide together what the priorities are. > We do IMO currently have an issue in lacking a canonical (main) place

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Hi Eirik As mentioned earlier, I wouldn't do this because it's a form of donation and donations don't scale because unlike a license, no one is forced to pay up. Meaning that my contribution will feel like it has no impact and ultimately a waste of money. A license is a collective agreement

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Hey Neil, a small suggestion, don't tell everyone that their freedom of speech is not allowed here and then also "welcome it" in the same paragraph. No one's interested in staying within your little box and waiting for you to give them a permission slip to have an idea. Non-commercial doesn't

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Ashton, Please tone down the aggression a little bit. No one is saying that freedom of speech is not allowed here. Yes, with Apache NetBeans, like any other Apache project, you're allowed to do whatever the Apache license allows you to do. Can we all get along? :-) Now, let's focus on getting

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Eirik Bakke
Hi, Ashton. If you'd like to contribute money to support NetBeans development, one way might be to purchase the time of an individual NetBeans developer or contracting firm. Maybe send an email on the d...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org mailing list saying "I am willing to pay $X to have issue

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Ashton Hogan
Many good points Joe. I want NetBeans to stick around, it's better for everyone if there are more options otherwise we're all forced to use "the monopoly" in the market. I think capitalism has worked great for Windows, look how many more software options you have compared to on Linux. Sure,

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread José J . Rodriguez
Ashton Hogan wrote: PS: I'm aware that I'm probably on the wrong mailing list right now I don't think so, specially since you started off with this: > I want NetBeans to stick around... Joe1962 - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread Neil C Smith
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez wrote: > Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a > good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors > vs. Linux security, > I realise you put it in quotation marks,

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

2018-03-07 Thread Niklas Matthies
I'm not sure why there should be an option here, instead of always inserting the non-qualified name for imported names. There is no option for inserting fully qualified names in regular Java code either. IMHO the javadoc code completion should just work the same way as the code completion in

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

2018-03-07 Thread José J . Rodriguez
Ashton Hogan wrote: ... look at your competitor, intellij, they're winning because they're embracing capitalism and prosperity. They use licenses to profit and it's WORKING! Simple as that. Follow the policy and die or embrace capitalism and stick around. Truth hurts. I think it's best

Apache NetBeans needs you...

2018-03-07 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all, We're starting the final stage before the official first release of Apache NetBeans. Now is the time to get involved. Now is the time to test features and raise issues -- not afterwards, when it is too late, but now. There are hundreds of people on this mailing list. Could you spare at