[ovirt-users] Re: Ovirt Cpu pinning and Oracle database license with hardware partitioning.

2018-05-15 Thread Gianluca Cecchi 
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Vinícius Ferrão  wrote:

> AFAIK this is the way to keep Oracle quiet: http://captainkvm.com/2012/10/
> virtualizing-oracle-11g-on-rhev-3-0-netapp/


Hi,
that document, even if dated, simply confirms in its contents what we
already wrote:

"
Oracle considers RHEV and most other virtualization platforms to be “soft”
partitioning. The only virtualization platform that Oracle supports under
hard partitioning is their own OVM. Really, all they are really doing is
pinning CPUs to a VM, and therefore the Oracle database, but you can do
that with any hypervisor… Honestly, I can’t roll my eyes hard enough to
indicate my disdain..
"

And it contains indications about techniques with Netapp to be able to
easily reproduce the environment on physical hardware in case you have
problems with Oracle in your virtualized RDBMS.

There are also collaborations between vendors to simplify management in
case of problems and need of opening an SR:
https://www.vmware.com/it/support/policies/oracle-support.html

There is also official Oracle Document ID related to VMware: 249212.1
and I think it could apply to other virtualization technologies too.

HIH,
Gianluca
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[ovirt-users] Re: Ovirt Cpu pinning and Oracle database license with hardware partitioning.

2018-05-15 Thread Gianluca Cecchi 
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:04 PM, Karli Sjöberg  wrote:

>
>
> Not so fair in my opinion.
>
>
> LOL, of course it's not fair, it's Oracle :D
>
> /K
>
>
Nothing is written into the stone, so even Oracle can change its mindset,
when is not corroborated by real technical arguments.
Also because a document with "Educational purpose only" in its footer is
already clear enough about what it contains.
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[ovirt-users] Re: Ovirt Cpu pinning and Oracle database license with hardware partitioning.

2018-05-14 Thread Vinícius Ferrão 
AFAIK this is the way to keep Oracle quiet: 
http://captainkvm.com/2012/10/virtualizing-oracle-11g-on-rhev-3-0-netapp/

On 14 May 2018, at 11:50, Gianluca Cecchi 
> wrote:

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Simon Coter 
> wrote:
Hi Nicola,

CPU pinning granted by oVirt is not a supported method to apply 
hardware-partitioning for Oracle products on top of VMs.
The only supported method/solution is available on Oracle VM Server. You can 
see further details at:

http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/partitioning-070609.pdf

Simon


Correct.
But very arguable from a technological point of view (in my opinion of course).
I don't see differences in what you have to do in Oracle VM to get cpu pinning 
and "accepted" hard-partitioning 
(http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/vm/ovm-hardpart-168217.pdf 
referred in the linked pdf above), from what you can do in vSphere, oVirt or 
RHV to get the same result:

eg

oVirt:
https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/sla/cpu-pinning/

RHV:
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_virtualization/4.1/html/virtual_machine_management_guide/appe-reference_settings_in_administration_portal_and_user_portal_windows#Virtual_Machine_Resource_Allocation_settings_explained

vSphere 5.1
https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-51/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.vsphere.vm_admin.doc%2FGUID-3D5F6146-5F9C-46BC-B1D3-DCA856E98137.html

vSphere 6.0
https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/6.0/com.vmware.vsphere.vm_admin.doc/GUID-3D5F6146-5F9C-46BC-B1D3-DCA856E98137.html

Not so fair in my opinion.

Gianluca

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[ovirt-users] Re: Ovirt Cpu pinning and Oracle database license with hardware partitioning.

2018-05-14 Thread Karli Sjöberg 
Den 14 maj 2018 17:24 skrev Gianluca Cecchi :On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Simon Coter  wrote:Hi Nicola,CPU pinning granted by oVirt is not a supported method to apply hardware-partitioning for Oracle products on top of VMs.The only supported method/solution is available on Oracle VM Server. You can see further details at:http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/partitioning-070609.pdfSimonCorrect.But very arguable from a technological point of view (in my opinion of course).I don't see differences in what you have to do in Oracle VM to get cpu pinning and "accepted" hard-partitioning (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/vm/ovm-hardpart-168217.pdf referred in the linked pdf above), from what you can do in vSphere, oVirt or RHV to get the same result:egoVirt:https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/sla/cpu-pinning/RHV:https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_virtualization/4.1/html/virtual_machine_management_guide/appe-reference_settings_in_administration_portal_and_user_portal_windows#Virtual_Machine_Resource_Allocation_settings_explainedvSphere 5.1https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-51/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.vsphere.vm_admin.doc%2FGUID-3D5F6146-5F9C-46BC-B1D3-DCA856E98137.htmlvSphere 6.0https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/6.0/com.vmware.vsphere.vm_admin.doc/GUID-3D5F6146-5F9C-46BC-B1D3-DCA856E98137.htmlNot so fair in my opinion.LOL, of course it's not fair, it's Oracle :D/KGianluca 
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[ovirt-users] Re: Ovirt Cpu pinning and Oracle database license with hardware partitioning.

2018-05-14 Thread Gianluca Cecchi 
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Simon Coter  wrote:

> Hi Nicola,
>
> CPU pinning granted by oVirt is not a supported method to apply
> hardware-partitioning for Oracle products on top of VMs.
> The only supported method/solution is available on Oracle VM Server. You
> can see further details at:
>
> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/partitioning-070609.pdf
>
> Simon
>
>
Correct.
But very arguable from a technological point of view (in my opinion of
course).
I don't see differences in what you have to do in Oracle VM to get cpu
pinning and "accepted" hard-partitioning (
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/vm/ovm-hardpart-168217.pdf
referred in the linked pdf above), from what you can do in vSphere, oVirt
or RHV to get the same result:

eg

oVirt:
https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/sla/cpu-pinning/

RHV:
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_virtualization/4.1/html/virtual_machine_management_guide/appe-reference_settings_in_administration_portal_and_user_portal_windows#Virtual_Machine_Resource_Allocation_settings_explained

vSphere 5.1
https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-51/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.vsphere.vm_admin.doc%2FGUID-3D5F6146-5F9C-46BC-B1D3-DCA856E98137.html

vSphere 6.0
https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/6.0/com.vmware.vsphere.vm_admin.doc/GUID-3D5F6146-5F9C-46BC-B1D3-DCA856E98137.html

Not so fair in my opinion.

Gianluca
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[ovirt-users] Re: Ovirt Cpu pinning and Oracle database license with hardware partitioning.

2018-05-14 Thread Simon Coter 
Hi Nicola,

CPU pinning granted by oVirt is not a supported method to apply
hardware-partitioning for Oracle products on top of VMs.
The only supported method/solution is available on Oracle VM Server. You
can see further details at:

http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/partitioning-070609.pdf

Simon



On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:24 AM, Nicola Battista <
nicola.battist...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ovirt supports CPU pinning. So can I use this virtualizer to do
> partitioning hardware to save Oracle database licenses? Has any of you
> already done it?
>
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