Re: Whitelists, not directly useful to spamassassin...

2009-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Warren Togami wrote: While whitelists are not directly effective (statistically, when averaged across a large corpus), whitelists are powerful tools in indirect ways including: * Pushing the score beyond the auto-learn threshold for things like Bayes to function without manual

Re: Whitelists, not directly useful to spamassassin...

2009-12-17 Thread Per Jessen
Warren Togami wrote: https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6247#c49 https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6247#c51 It turns out that the ReturnPath and DNSWL whitelists have a statistically insignificant impact on spamassassin's ability to determine ham vs.

Re: Whitelists, not directly useful to spamassassin...

2009-12-17 Thread Jason Bertoch
Warren Togami wrote: While whitelists are not directly effective (statistically, when averaged across a large corpus), whitelists are powerful tools in indirect ways including: * Pushing the score beyond the auto-learn threshold for things like Bayes to function without manual

Re: Whitelists, not directly useful to spamassassin...

2009-12-17 Thread Charles Gregory
Thank you, Warren. That (finally) gives some real perspective to this mess, and gets some of the 'real' questions answered. - C On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Warren Togami wrote: I made a discovery today that surprised even myself. Using the rescore masscheck and weekly masscheck logs while working

Re: Whitelists, not directly useful to spamassassin...

2009-12-17 Thread Warren Togami
On 12/17/2009 11:27 AM, Jason Bertoch wrote: If whitelists are to be enabled by default, I believe their score should be moved considerably more toward zero. /Jason I don't necessarily disagree with this desire, as now we know the whitelists actually are making almost zero difference to

Re: Whitelists, not directly useful to spamassassin...

2009-12-17 Thread J.D. Falk
Very interesting data indeed -- and a testament to the accuracy of the SpamAssassin rules weighting process. On Dec 16, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Warren Togami wrote: While whitelists are not directly effective (statistically, when averaged across a large corpus), whitelists are powerful tools in

Whitelists, not directly useful to spamassassin...

2009-12-16 Thread Warren Togami
I made a discovery today that surprised even myself. Using the rescore masscheck and weekly masscheck logs while working on Bug #6247 I found some interesting details that throws a wrench into this lively debate. https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6247#c49