Re: [xwiki-users] document name including /
Le 18 janv. 08 à 00:05, Your XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodriguez a écrit : 1 - I already have a good load of content, can I switch to UTF-8 without wrecking the wiki ? As far as I understand, all involved actors must run the same encoding. It is just a guess, but if your database and your XWiki run with different encoding, URLs with characters like á, ñ, or / won't work. I haven't tried (and really do not understand why there's anyone on earth sticking with iso-8859-1 (except for wrongly configured editors such emacs) but: I know that the DB-installation instruction say that the DB should be configured for encoding unicode, so that the java-strings - DB is encoding proof for any encoding. XML import is also bullet proof there: the encoding value is written in the header. Where you change encoding is at the front-end (delivery, hence input) and there, I think you can change this right away, the re-encoding happens in java in all cases, to any encoding. My 2p. paul smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] document name including /
Paul Libbrecht wrote: Le 18 janv. 08 à 00:05, Your XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodriguez a écrit : 1 - I already have a good load of content, can I switch to UTF-8 without wrecking the wiki ? As far as I understand, all involved actors must run the same encoding. It is just a guess, but if your database and your XWiki run with different encoding, URLs with characters like á, ñ, or / won't work. I haven't tried (and really do not understand why there's anyone on earth sticking with iso-8859-1 (except for wrongly configured editors such emacs) but: I know that the DB-installation instruction say that the DB should be configured for encoding unicode, so that the java-strings - DB is encoding proof for any encoding. XML import is also bullet proof there: the encoding value is written in the header. Where you change encoding is at the front-end (delivery, hence input) and there, I think you can change this right away, the re-encoding happens in java in all cases, to any encoding. My 2p. paul Hi, I agree with you that 8859-1 is not the best encoding for a default, and that UTF-8 should be the default if we want to see XWiki used in non-USA/Western Europe countries. However, changing the encoding is not as simple as you say. The most important things, external to XWiki, are: - By default, some databases are configured in latin1 (like mySql). Setting the database to utf8 is something the system administrator must do, as we cannot specify it from XWiki. We could specify the encoding of each table, IF hibernate supported this. But it does not, so not even that is possible. - The JVM uses the system encoding, if not manually specified. And almost all operating systems are configured for 8859-1, maybe except those that can be found in Asian countries. And all strings written are by default converted to the system encoding, unless we override the default. And changing the default JVM encoding, again, is something we cannot do. We have an issue for overriding the initial encoding from the platform with the one specified in xwiki.cfg or web.xml, but it is not implemented yet. (I did it locally, but the code wasn't nice, so I had to postpone this fix until I find a better solution). We are planning to switch to UTF by default, but there are several changes needed in the platform. And more important, we need a lot of testing to make sure that nothing gets broken by this change. Chances are it will work, as I have setup several sites using UTF-8, and nobody reported problems until now. (There were several problems, but they have been fixed already). Sergiu ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] document name including /
FAUX, Emmanuel wrote: I have the same issue, and when of my users uploads a filename with a special character, I end up removing an entry in XWIKIATTACHEMENT, XWIKIATTACHEMENT_ARCHIVE, XWIKIATTACHEMENT_CONTENT. Hi, Emmanuel, I'm trying to remove some in troubles documents. None of them has attachments, so I think these three tables are not involved. The only table I found with a record for each document is XWIKIDOC. But if I delete a document for this table, it is still available in the wiki. It is not searchable, but I can access it with its former URL. I've emptied the browser cache and tried Safari, Firefox, Explorer and Opera. Delete was commited in MySQL. Please, where is the document stored? Thanks! -- Ricardo Rodríguez Your XEN ICT Team ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] document name including /
FAUX, Emmanuel wrote: As Vincent does ask, have you configured your XWiki installation for UTF-8 ? Nope. Current encoding is ISO-8859-1 But if it avoids me to remove db entries, I'm gonna configure it as soon as I can. I've read http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Encoding Some questions : 1 - I already have a good load of content, can I switch to UTF-8 without wrecking the wiki ? As far as I understand, all involved actors must run the same encoding. It is just a guess, but if your database and your XWiki run with different encoding, URLs with characters like á, ñ, or / won't work. Regarding contents by themselves, I've found a number of references that make advisable to go with extreme care. For instance...http://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONF-5281. I am updating now to 1.2. Once I have this stable release running, I will regain access to some issues that concern encoding and come back to this thread. 2 - I use Oracle 10G. It's likely that I have to configure UTF-8 as its default character set. As anyone done that already ? No idea, sorry. Thanks for your help. Xwiki is a great product. I completely agree! Cheers, Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez Your XEN ICT Team ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] document name including /
FAUX, Emmanuel wrote: I have the same issue, and when of my users uploads a filename with a special character, I end up removing an entry in XWIKIATTACHEMENT, XWIKIATTACHEMENT_ARCHIVE, XWIKIATTACHEMENT_CONTENT. Thanks, Emmanuel. I'll do that. Anyway, don't you think this issue is worth a JIRA issue? I supposed a discussion here is not needed to create such an issue, but I would like to know if there is some reason to allow all this characters like /, \ or ~ that cause problems with documents and attachments names. Of course it could be considered a naming convention not to use this characters, but if we/I what to promote the use of XWiki among users that are not aware of this problems and usually use this characters (and others like, ñ, á, é, ö,... ) while naming files and folders. Thanks for your opinions! Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez Your XEN ICT Team ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] document name including /
Emmanuel, XWiki is supposed to handle any type of name for document, including /, accents, etc. For / I don't know why it's not working. I remember it was working. Someone will need to track this down. For the accents, maybe you haven't configured XWiki in UTF8 mode? Thanks -Vincent On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:26 PM, FAUX, Emmanuel wrote: Anyway, don't you think this issue is worth a JIRA issue? My first issue... XE-182 I supposed a discussion here is not needed to create such an issue, but I would like to know if there is some reason to allow all this characters like /, \ or ~ that cause problems with documents and attachments names. Of course it could be considered a naming convention not to use this characters, but if we/I what to promote the use of XWiki among users that are not aware of this problems and usually use this characters (and others like, ñ, á, é, ö,... ) while naming files and folders. On my side, users upload attachements with é à / ~ in their names because they can and they are not aware that it causes some troubles later. Those who were trapped do not include special characters anymore but a new user would certainly include those characters. -- Emmanuel FAUX -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Your XEN ICT Team - Ricardo Rodriguez Envoyé : mercredi 16 janvier 2008 16:46 À : XWiki Users Objet : Re: [xwiki-users] document name including / FAUX, Emmanuel wrote: I have the same issue, and when of my users uploads a filename with a special character, I end up removing an entry in XWIKIATTACHEMENT, XWIKIATTACHEMENT_ARCHIVE, XWIKIATTACHEMENT_CONTENT. Thanks, Emmanuel. I'll do that. Anyway, don't you think this issue is worth a JIRA issue? I supposed a discussion here is not needed to create such an issue, but I would like to know if there is some reason to allow all this characters like /, \ or ~ that cause problems with documents and attachments names. Of course it could be considered a naming convention not to use this characters, but if we/I what to promote the use of XWiki among users that are not aware of this problems and usually use this characters (and others like, ñ, á, é, ö,... ) while naming files and folders. Thanks for your opinions! Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez Your XEN ICT Team ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] document name including /
FAUX, Emmanuel wrote: Anyway, don't you think this issue is worth a JIRA issue? My first issue... XE-182 Sorry! I'd failed to find it! I supposed a discussion here is not needed to create such an issue, but I would like to know if there is some reason to allow all this characters like /, \ or ~ that cause problems with documents and attachments names. Of course it could be considered a naming convention not to use this characters, but if we/I what to promote the use of XWiki among users that are not aware of this problems and usually use this characters (and others like, ñ, á, é, ö,... ) while naming files and folders. On my side, users upload attachements with é à / ~ in their names because they can and they are not aware that it causes some troubles later. Those who were trapped do not include special characters anymore but a new user would certainly include those characters. -- Emmanuel FAUX Yeap, this is a clear solution. But to mess directly with databases is not a great idea... I think :-) As Vincent stated, XWiki is supposed to admit any character. Provided that documents created in XWiki are only intended to be accessed by XWiki or any other database client that will have capacity to correctly handle encoding stuff, it seems that there is not a single reason to avoid this extended characters. We here try to convince users not to use this characters while naming files, folders or documents as a rule of thumb to avoid a number of problems while switching among platforms here and there, working with computer we can not control the configuration. But of course it will be great to be able of using any character at least while sticking to XWiki. As Vincent does ask, have you configured your XWiki installation for UTF-8? Thanks! Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez Your XEN ICT Team ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
