[USMA:40979] Setting metrication goals

2008-05-27 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear All, A year or two ago I wrote a short article about setting your metrication goals. I have now reviewed this article, made a few changes, and replaced it at http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/SettingSMAARTmetricationGoals.pdf If you forget this reference you can find it by going

[USMA:40980] RE: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread Stephen Humphreys
Martin, Most pizza places sell by diameter in the UK - which is quoted in inches. Check the junk mail in your post box. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:40968] RE: dry pints of tomatoes Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 22:48:47 +0100 Pierre, The legality of using pints to

[USMA:40981] Re: Fw: Using of SI prefixes with currencies

2008-05-27 Thread Howard Ressel
I would agree since the k is not a copyrighted symbol that can only be used exclusively with SI. You can not copyright a letter of the alphabet which makes the k on package foods non legal and not accepted (by most) kosher symbol. Anyone can put a k on a package (just as they can put it in

[USMA:40982] Re: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Yes. For things just harvested, mass is affected by recent rainfall adhering to the product and even humidity absorbed into it. I saw a documentary on spices in India (I think it was called The Spices of India [1985]). It showed buyers in a market feeling the bulk product with their hands to

[USMA:40983] Re: Fw: Using of SI prefixes with currencies

2008-05-27 Thread Ziser, Jesse
That's 5000, not 5, and the whats are meters. k is used as an (informal, ambiguous, and non-standard) abbreviation for km in this case, much like M is sometimes used as an ambiguous abbreviation for MB. Not the best idea, IMHO. I seriously doubt that the one letter saved by this form of

[USMA:40984] Re: Fw: Using of SI prefixes with currencies

2008-05-27 Thread STANLEY DOORE
The SI prefix letter symbols are used as a standard symbol in many places. Another example is kB for kilobytes etc. Stan Doore - Original Message - From: Howard Ressel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:28 AM Subject:

[USMA:40986] Re: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread Martin Vlietstra
On the other hand, measuring newly harvested crops by volume could be a way of exploiting the workers - how much would the worker be paid for a partially-filled container? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Moore Sent: 27 May 2008

[USMA:40985] RE: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread Martin Vlietstra
Steve, OK, if you buy a whole pizza in the UK, it is sold by diameter, but if you buy just a slice in a shopping mall, it is priced by the slice. As an aside, I certainly would not want to buy a whole pizza from a Roman pizza take-away - they tend to bake them in sheets that are typically

[USMA:40987] Current NIST guidance

2008-05-27 Thread James Frysinger
Folks, For your convenience the following links are provided. New Federal Register Notice, dated 2008 May 09, published 2008 May 16: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/E8-11058.htm New NIST SP 330, 2008 edition: http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/SP330/sp330.pdf New NIST SP 811, 2008 edition:

[USMA:40988] Re: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread Phil Chernack
Where do you get that it is illegal to sell by the dry pint? Produce is not covered by the FPLA, It is up to states to determine how produce is measured. Keep in mind that most laws governing the sale of dairy and produce go back 100 or so years. In some cases, these laws have been updated.

[USMA:40989] Metric Martyr trial set for next January

2008-05-27 Thread ezra . steinberg
East End grocer put on trial for refusing to submit to metric system The London Paper, Sunday, 25 May 2008 A London green grocer will stand trial for selling vegetables in pounds rather than kilos after a legal bid to have the case thrown out failed. Janet Devers, 63, is accused of selling

[USMA:40990] Re: Metric Martyr trial set for next January

2008-05-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Wrong tactic. I would recommend confiscating the scales, perhaps providing a complimentary kg scale while the other is held in evidence indefinitely. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:52:58 + To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu

[USMA:40991] [Fwd: Current NIST guidance]

2008-05-27 Thread James Frysinger
Correction: The second link to SP 811 (HTML) is to the previous version, not to the current version. NIST would like to know how useful that online HTML format is for people before they go to a lot of work to update it. You can let Ambler Thompson or Elizabeth Gentry know how you feel. [EMAIL

[USMA:40992] Re: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread James Frysinger
Phil has hit the nail on the head. Packaging and labeling laws are scattered among diverse agencies, disorganized to the neophyte's eyes, and often arcane. Some are enacted (statutory) laws, some are regulations, as he said, and yet others may be by local tradition. Many regulatory bodies have

[USMA:40993] Re: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
In Kevin Wilks' Metrication In Australia, it is mentioned that the disparate measurement laws in that country were streamlined considerably by the metrication process. Thanks to Phil's and Jim's excellent discussions here, I can see how. Paul Quoting James Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Phil has

[USMA:40994] Re: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread James Frysinger
The sad news for your point of view, Paul, is that metrication in the U.S. will not streamline things. We will still have a mish-mash of federal agencies (FTC, FDA, USDA, et al.), over 50 local jurisdictions (states, districts, territories, et al.), and non-regulation cases to deal with. All

[USMA:40995] Re: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-27 Thread Carleton MacDonald
One really good measure of humidity that I've noticed is the tails of the cotton bell ropes at the Washington National Cathedral. On a cool and dry day they are as limp as cooked spaghetti. But today was hot (29) and humid, and the tails were quite stiff. Carleton -Original Message-

[USMA:40996] Re: Metric Martyr trial set for next January

2008-05-27 Thread Martin Vlietstra
This already happens - see http://www.metricmartyrs.co.uk/ for details of how a number of traders have had their scales seized (including Mrs Devers). Mrs Devers' scales are now, I believe, in possession of the Trading Standards Office as an exhibit for the impending court case. -Original