I've often thought that McDonalds could introduce metric sizes AND downsize
their portions at the same time. The Quarter Pounder (113.5 g) could become
the Big 100 (can sit alongside the Big Mac).
Where do I send McDonalds the bill for my fee?
- Original Message -
From: Jeremiah
Reading the results of the NIST forums on metric-only FPLA, I think NIST
provided that chance, and was looking for advocates. Those interests refused
to advocate, although they admitted they secretly supported.
They somehow concluded (I think wrongly) that public advocacy on the issue
would
Unfortunately, the Toyota Prius does not provide the ability to convert
all units to metric.
Stan Doore
.
- Original Message -
From: Norman Nancy Werling nwerl...@bellsouth.net
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject:
It would not work - you have to buy a 15/16ths socket as per instructions
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:39:49 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:43788] Re: Jerry's questions regarding imperial fuel fish
sales in the UK.
To: usma@colostate.edu
Are you sure it isn't
I took it off the list because the list's owner suggested we do that.
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:44:49 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:43789] Re: Fw: Re: Jerry's questions regarding imperial fuel
fish sales in the UK.
To: usma@colostate.edu
I see you are calling
Established suppliers were fully metric. Sometimes there were issues when we
had to look at a non-traditional supplier for new technology; training a new
supplier WAS an issue, and the issues were a lot more than metric. A
non-traditional supplier has to recognize automotive has some unique
John said that just two of the dimensions on the rim are English based. There
are obviously hundreds of other dimensions that are metric based on the rim
that would trump the two that are not. So if the majority of dimensions are
metric and the rims are made using precise metric dimensions
Obviously since it has survived and it didn't cause an accident, then it proves
that metric signage is safe and concerns of safety issues with metric signage
are an exaggeration.
Jerry
From: John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com
To: U.S. Metric Association
The so-called quarter-pound of 113 g (+ or - some tolerance) is what you get
before you cook the meat. I'm sure after cooking you are only getting 100 g
worth. If they downsize it to 100 g of raw meat then when cooked you may only
be getting 90 g. Best to start out with more so you can feel
5/16 is 7.9375 mm. An 8 mm socket would fit and the less than 0.0625 mm
difference would not be noticed. I have also seen 1/2 inch wrenches and
sockets fit a 13 mm head even though the 1/2 inch is smaller then 13 mm. It
would seem that the 1/2 inch sockets are really 13 mm ones in disguise.
Discussing the units that cars are made in (an on topic subject) is not what
the list owner was referring to.
Jerry
From: Stephen Humphreys barkatf...@hotmail..com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:32:33 AM
The DOT's should simply have told any company that didn't want to work in
metric that they would not only be released from their contract that any
prospect of future business with the DOT would be zero.
I'm sure that would have persuaded many to come over tot he metric side.
Jerry
Michael wrote:
... the FAA in Oklahoma City decreed that only inches and pounds were
acceptable...
That is a violation of Federal law. Why should FAA authorities be allowed to
ignore that fact?
One time when I donated blood the bag was put on a metric scale. When the
indication on the scale was something like 600 g they took it off, as it was
done. Blood is heavier than water, and the bag has a mass too.
Carleton
Who now is scared to use the word weight anywhere
From: Jeremiah
Someone might be able to if he has an appropriate gizmo to plug into the OBD
connector, which can reprogram things. Unpleasant that it would take that and
not be a user entry.
Carleton
-Original Message-
From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
At best, it is ignoring an Executive Order, binding on Federal agencies.
Reality is that their boss (the Prez) doesn't enforce it, nor have recent past
Presidents and it has been widely ignored by Federal agencies.
The few that tried to honor it (DoT) were handed setbacks by Congress.
The
Dear All,
Can anyone tell me anything about this document, and its current world
status as opposed to its status in the European community?
http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/download/r1224.txt
Cheers,
Pat Naughtin
PO Box 305 Belmont 3216,
Geelong, Australia
Phone: 61 3 5241 2008
Metric
Carleton,
I'm pleased that you accept the word mass (or body mass) when mass is
intended and force is not intended.
Also mass divided by volume is called density. The term heavier than
implies a comparison of forces.
e.g. Blood is more dense than water. And, a bag of donated blood is
I Have never heard of it.
Having skimmed it, it seems willing to accomodate not only SI units, but also
Imperial, Customary, and any other units used widely enough. Its main
orientation seems to be assigning a TLA (three letter acronym) to every unit so
it can be communicated by Telex (does
An individual's decision can be made that is not necessarily sanctioned by the
FAA. They do it and try to get away with it on the hope that no one will
complain. Thus if this is the case, then the only way the rule can be
broken is to simply lodge a complaint and site the various federal laws
John,
More recently than the Act of 1866 legalizing metric units is PL 100-418
(designating SI as preferred for US trade and commerce...), also an Act of
Congress.
I believe that President Obama will eventually express support, rather than
efforts to repeal, these Acts.
Let's draft a new
By the same token you can ignore the stroke of the pen when it conflicts with
the 1866 law. That law trumps all pen strokes.
Jerry
From: John M. Steele jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009
They why not just say that blood is more massive then water.
Jerry
From: mech...@illinois.edu mech...@illinois.edu
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:09:09 AM
Subject: [USMA:43816] Density
Carleton,
I'm pleased
I want us to be more metric. However, that Act and $0.50 will buy you a cheap
copy of coffee. In particular look at the way Congress also gutted metric
directives for highway construction and Federal buildings. They speak out both
sides of their mouths.
The gutting actions have the effect
The density of blood seems to have some variance but if we assume it is close
enough to 1100 kg/m^3 (=1.1 kg/L), then we can calculate that 450 mL of blood
would have a mass of 495 g and a 600 g mass would have a volume of 545 mL.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/MichaelShmukler.shtml
Are
I found a pdf version: http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/download/r1224.pdf
It includes the figures in the body, but it still excludes the tables. I am
not ready to sign up to DMQ as a replacement for dm³
It may have transformed to UCUM, Unified Code for Units of Measure. It seems
very
According to Wikipedia, email has replaced telex (telegraphy) and ...
On Monday, July 12, 1999, a final telegram was sent from the National Liberty
Ship Memorial, the SS Jeremiah O'Brien, in San Francisco Bay to Bill Clinton in
the White House. Officials of Globe Wireless reported that
The FMI must be kept out of the loop for any new draft of the FPLA to be
effective.
A new metrication board needs to be established to first identify any legal
restrictions to full SI usage and have all these restrictions removed. The
Constitution needs to be amended (with or with out
The scale is showing not only the mass of the blood inside the bag, but of the
bag itself, which mass is constant. These were spring scales with a dial and
did not have the zero-out feature of a home kitchen scale. And I forget
exactly at what reading the blood taking was considered “done” (I
The dimensions you quote there are wheel dimensions rather than tyres - in the
UK (and I presume the US/world) these are wholly inch based (unlike tyres -
being mixed)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:20:52 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:43805] Re: Tyre (tire) sizes
To:
Jerry, much as I am a U.S. spokesman in favor of metrication, I do not approve
of our constitution being amended just to insert mere legislation. I would not
want to see SI established as the Nation's measurement standard by
constitutional amendment. From what I understand, the U.S.
It's a sump plug.
And it's 15/16ths (not 5/16ths).
Does this help?
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:53:05 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:43808] Re: Jerry's questions regarding imperial fuel fish
sales in the UK.
To: usma@colostate.edu
5/16 is 7.9375 mm. An 8 mm
Um, achtung, everyone –
We’re not talking about the size of the socket itself (the part that fits over
the nut or the bolt head). The 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch and 1/2 inch notations
are for the square-shaped fitting that connects the socket to the ratchet part.
Somehow that got standardized
3..I once had a Canadian spec VW Rabbit - 1979 and made in
Germany. The front disc brake rotor had stamped on it its diameter
in inches. Now it could be because this part could have been made
in the UK or even the US, but unlikely.
I wouldn't think that was unlikely. It was probably
I've seen people at work do it? Oh come
on. I'm sure any of us here has used a 1/2 on a
13mm nut/bolt before. But to claim seen people
at work do it? That's funny.
That's like saying, I see people at the swimming
pool jumping into the water. Like..whoaaa dude.
At 09:42 2009-03-14,
As well-intentioned as Bush Sr.'s Executive Order was, I actually don't
think that strengthening it would have the desired effect. The ill-fated
example of the DOT's attempt to enforce metric construction specs is the
prime example (though that same department is principally responsible for
the
Absolutely!And adding to this is the AP (Associated Press)
insisting on dumbing down metric to ifp or even worse, the ubiquitous
football fields.
Between what you speak of Victor and the APeverything else is
just academic.
We must increase public use of metric. The way to do that
On Saturday 14 March 2009 11:36:11 mech...@illinois.edu wrote:
John,
More recently than the Act of 1866 legalizing metric units is PL 100-418
(designating SI as preferred for US trade and commerce...), also an Act of
Congress.
I believe that President Obama will eventually express support,
On Saturday 14 March 2009 11:47:44 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote:
They why not just say that blood is more massive then water.
Because that's meaningless. A quantity of blood may be more or less massive
than a quantity of water. Blood is denser than water, but to say that it's
more massive doesn't
On 2009/03/15, at 5:56 AM, Victor Jockin wrote:
… The ill-fated
example of the DOT's attempt to enforce metric construction specs is
the
prime example (though that same department is principally
responsible for
the failure of US metrication because it declined to change road
signs when
I looked at ISO-31 (1999 version or thereabouts) a year or two ago. I could
not make a copy of it because of copyright rules. However I did notice that
it listed miles, yards, feet and inches as deprecated units.
Standards and recommendations such as this do not necessarily have the force
of
Sirs:
I have been working on Reform of Gregorian calendar (with or without Leap
Weeks) to give Mean Year =(365+31/128) =365.2421875 days on shifting July 31st
to the month February as February 29th during ALL Years; and effective [(Y2000
- 80) +/- 128] divide 128. This resolve Zero Year
On Mar 14 , at 10:36 AM, John M. Steele wrote:
I don't think we have any idea where Obama stands on metrication.
I've wondered about that, too. Does anyone know who we could contact
to get an official position of Pres. Obama on the metric system?
Bill Hooper
1810 mm tall
Fernandina
Jerry wrote:
A new metrication board needs to be established to
first identify any legal restrictions to full SI
usage and have all these restrictions removed.
A new Board is not desirable! Personnel in the NIST Laws and Metric Group can
easily identify laws that obstruct metrication.
Unfortunately, contradictions like these must sometimes be resolved by the
Judicial Branch. e.g. If a packager were to use metric-only labels and an
inspector fined the packager before the FPLA is *corrected* to permit
metric-only labels.
I would love to see PG try SI-only as a test case!
Mass (kg)is an *extensive* variable.
Comparison of two masses (extensive variables): A lake of water is more massive
than a bag of blood.
Density (kg/m3)is an *intensive* variable.
Comparison of two densities (intensive variables): Fresh water is more dense
than salt water; but (extensive) a
That's reversed. Typical sea water has a density about 1.025 kg/L, vs 1.00
kg/L for fresh water.
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, mech...@illinois.edu mech...@illinois.edu wrote:
Fresh
water is more dense than salt water; but (extensive) a lake
of salt water is more massive than a puddle of rain
My opinion: it's better to make a measured pitch for limited change through
carefully chosen channels than to simply ask the President where he stands.
I'd wince if he were asked about metrication in a press conference, because he
probably will not have thought about the issue until that
Thanks for the correction, John.
Gene.
Original message
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:24:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M. Steele jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [USMA:43856] Re: Density
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
That's reversed. Typical sea water has a density
I just read the 2009 February update of a NIST summary of the EU Metric
Directive. There is *no mention* of a delay of the requirement for metric-only
labeling after 2010 Jan 1!
Furthermore, I can find no evidence that any EU Member State
has revised its laws requiring metric-only in response
On Mar 14 , at 3:38 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Saturday 14 March 2009 11:47:44 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote:
They why not just say that blood is more massive then water.
Because that's meaningless. A quantity of blood may be more or less
massive
than a quantity of water. Blood is denser
The dimensions quoted are for the rim. Notice the word rim is mentioned. As
with the rim, some of the tire DESIGNATIONS are inch based or inch in origin,
but since the '70s at least the design and manufacturing is completely metric.
When rims and tires are made, they are made to metric
Carleton,
I am aware which part of the wrench we were talking about. My point is that it
is an unimportant as the length of the handle of the wrench. The most
important thing about the wrench is the socket that fits on them. For al it
matters you can call each type by a letter such as A, B
When I said amended I was referring to the part where the Constitution grants
the right to the Congress to set the standard. However if Congress doesn't do
its duty and act then maybe they need to be by-passed. George Bush did not let
Congress get in his way when he was president.
I agree
I found the Girling website:
http://www.girlingauto.com/en/index.aspx
I looked through their catalog and found brakes for a POLO, (there were no
Rabbits in the list):
6015003 Brake Disc 0
Fitting Position: Front Axle
Brake Disc Type: Full, Ø: 239 mm, Br. Disc Thickness:
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