[USMA:44245] Re: Wood energy units

2009-03-30 Thread John M. Steele
Yes, the variability of the calorie is why it is deprecated (for 61 years); well, also because it is not coherent.  The BTU obviously has exactly the same problems; if any organization were in charge of Customary/Imperial units, it would be deprecated too.  EIA uses the BTU-IT.  (Since the Briti

[USMA:44243] Re: Wood energy units

2009-03-30 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear John, The BTU and the calorie share a common problem in that they both vary with temperature. A calorie at 20 °C is not the same as a calorie at 37 °C. And the same is true for any of the BTUs. The differences are not great but when you multiply these small differences to discuss iss

[USMA:44244] RE: Downsizing beer glasses

2009-03-30 Thread Carleton MacDonald
I guess I’ll have a chance to find all that out for myself – my wife and I will be over there from April 29 until May 13. Plans are to do some bell ringing, visit friends, see Ireland a bit, check out the grocery stores, and play tourist. Oh yes, and drink beer. Carleton From: owner-u...@

[USMA:44242] Re: smoots

2009-03-30 Thread John M. Steele
That was me, not Pat.  I received my BSEE in 1966 and MSEE, and EE in 1968.  Perhaps SI was more prevalent in course VI, but my chemistry, physics, and other non-EE courses were all SI.  I was under the impression my friends in course II (but not in things like Naval Architecture) were also rece

[USMA:44241] RE: Tea

2009-03-30 Thread Ken Cooper
John   To be honest, I'm not a huge "tea-jenny" - I prefer coffee!   I picked Tetleys because they are the most common & popular tea in the UK. In general, you can assume that Tetleys cater more for the mass market whilst Twinings aim for the speciality market.   However, as well as the Tetleys,

[USMA:44240] Re: smoots

2009-03-30 Thread Stan Jakuba
Pat: Those must have been better days or you were lucky to have enlightened professors. I graduated in 1970 and no (graduate) course I took in Mech. Eng'g had SI (or mksA) units in lecture or homework. Perhaps the names of prof's like Den Hartog, Rohsenow, Rogowski may "ring the bell." My son sp

[USMA:44239] Re: Without Hot Air

2009-03-30 Thread Stan Jakuba
Dear Pat: No question about it. I wish the author had used, at least in the calculations, SI only; the equations and comparisons would be simpler. However, being used to the muddle of units seen in the US, the books seems VERY metric. The note from me should have been more specific by saying not

[USMA:44238] RE: Tea

2009-03-30 Thread John M. Steele
That's very interesting.  I buy Twinings tea, and I had always assumed the offerings here were the same (or a subset) as offerings in the UK.  After reading your remarks, I looked at both my own stash, and their website.   The offerings in the American line in teabags are all based on 2 g/bag.  I

[USMA:44237] Re: the pub--ground zero for the metric system?

2009-03-30 Thread Ken Cooper
I wonder whether Stephen is deliberately posting incorrect nonsense in an attempt to goad me into posting?   Yes. Pitchers are in common use in the UK. The prescribed sizes of "CE" marked pitchers are 2, 4, 8 & 16 pints. The prescribed sizes of "Crown Stamped" pitchers are 2 & 4 pints.   So, Ste

[USMA:44236] RE: Tea

2009-03-30 Thread Ken Cooper
Jerry   In the UK, tea is not usually sold by liquid measure.   However, in supermarkets & specialist tea shops it is sold by weight (just add boiling water!)   Tea is another product that is currently subject to prescribed quantities. Current pack sizes include 125g, 250g, 500g, 750g & 1kg   Tea

[USMA:44235] RE: Reasoable Language (was Metrication US)

2009-03-30 Thread John Frewen-Lord
Bill: I have no problem with keeping all the old expressions and metaphors - see my article in the UKMA Metric News (http://www.metricviews.org.uk/). Scroll down to 'User Friendly' Metric, where I echo pretty well much the same as you've written here. However, I do believe that there is a dif

[USMA:44234] RE: Reasoable Language (was Metrication US)

2009-03-30 Thread Bill Potts
Pat and John: For years, some of us on this list have tried to be reassuring to the metrication-averse and to also counter some of the stranger statements made by the more virulent opponents of metrication. Simply stated, old units of measure used in expressions like "seven-league boots" and "G

[USMA:44233] Re: the pub--ground zero for the metric system?

2009-03-30 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Michael, Coincidentally, I had a beer at lunchtime yesterday that was served in an imported German glass that had a line printed on the outside of the glass with 0.5 L written near it. I was delighted. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Geelong, Australia On 2009/03/31, at 12:48 AM, Michael G. Koe

[USMA:44232] Re: Metrication US

2009-03-30 Thread Pat Naughtin
On 2009/03/30, at 5:44 PM, John Frewen-Lord wrote: Who is responsible for the Metrication US website? Is it officially related to the USMA? All our emails appear on it. Its tag line is '...slowly getting there, inch by inch'. I think this needs changing! 1. While (sadly) we may be slowly

[USMA:44231] RE: Downsizing beer glasses

2009-03-30 Thread Stephen Humphreys
That'll be that li'l island to the far west of us. They won't come to anything ;-) ;-) ;-) From: vliets...@btinternet.com To: barkatf...@hotmail.com; usma@colostate.edu Subject: RE: [USMA:44223] RE: Downsizing beer glasses Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:36:38 +0100 There

[USMA:44229] RE: Downsizing beer glasses

2009-03-30 Thread Martin Vlietstra
There is a very good reason why it is not required that tea be measured out – the only tax on a cup of tea is VAT and that is independent of the amount of tea involved – only its cost. BTW, I heard somewhere that when the Government did try to tax tea there was a bit of trouble in one of the co

[USMA:44230] RE: Nail in the coffin for hydrogen (at least for now)?

2009-03-30 Thread Stephen Humphreys
Yes -I saw that episode - blistering acceleration (faster than the normal elise) but as you say useless longevity. From: br...@bjwhite.net To: usma@colostate.edu CC: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:44228] RE: Nail in the coffin for hydrogen (at least for now)? Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:27:48 -

[USMA:44228] RE: Nail in the coffin for hydrogen (at least for now)?

2009-03-30 Thread brian
And on the other hand, check out the Top Gear episode where they review the Tesla (a car I really like) and then right after they review the Tesla (including some laps against the Lotus Elise on which it is based) they go and test the Honda Clarity FCX in California.   I tell you, James May certai

[USMA:44227] Re: the pub--ground zero for the metric system?

2009-03-30 Thread Michael G. Koerner
Subject: [USMA:44200] Re: the pub--ground zero for the metric system? From: "Carleton MacDonald" Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:13:18 -0400 To: U.S. Metric Association Near the Washington National Cathedral are several restaurants. Among them, one is Mexican, another serves brick-oven pizza. Bo

[USMA:44226] Re: Wood energy units

2009-03-30 Thread John M. Steele
Yes, he should use the joule and its multiples.  US energy consumption would be about 106 EJ, using his figure.   I am torn on whether or not he should drop the BTU figure.  In the long run, he shoud.  However, in the short term, with DoE, EIA, and the entire US fossil fuel industry using the BT

[USMA:44225] RE: Metrication US

2009-03-30 Thread Stephen Humphreys
Actually I agree with you - seems to be an odd bit of wording there. From: j...@frewston.plus.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:44221] Metrication US Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:44:17 +0100 Who is responsible for the Metrication US website? Is it officially related to the USMA? Al

[USMA:44224] Re: the pub--ground zero for the metric system?

2009-03-30 Thread Stephen Humphreys
Pitchers are still very popular in the UK - especially if there is a rugby or football match on. They're multiples of pints - and I *think* the most popular pitcher size is 3 pints. (I put in *think* just in case there is scope for some pedantry surrounding what I have said that can be

[USMA:44223] RE: Downsizing beer glasses

2009-03-30 Thread Stephen Humphreys
Ah - you realise your mistake ('tee' totaller versus cup of 'tea'). No - tea and other soft drinks get served in imperial, metric or neither (when I mean neither I mean when a cup of tea is poured it does not go via an optic or measuring container - it just gets poured). Why do you think

[USMA:44222] Nail in the coffin for hydrogen (at least for now)?

2009-03-30 Thread David
I found this interesting article today about an electric car manufactured by Tesla Motors Inc. They already have a car on the market, but their next model, called the Modesl S, is supposed to go on sale in the third quarter or 2011, and can go about 260 km on one charge. It looks like electric