[USMA:45005] Re: The true state of the USMA list......RE: [USMA:44993] RE: Stephen's use of pseudonyms

2009-05-02 Thread Walter Meier
I concur. In fact, I couldn't have said it better myself. On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 08:12, wrote: > Well, regardless (because of) of ya'll's bullshit (yes, I said it...someone > had to) this list has gone downhill quickly. > > It's gone downhill much faster when the bashing that's been going on he

[USMA:45004] RE: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Ken Cooper
Sorry Jerry. I didn't realise you were referring to milk packers.   In my local area, a lot of milk is produced, but most is taken by tankers to big packing plants. The farmers are paid by the litre, of course.   There is one small dairy who pack their own milk (they are based on an island)   They

[USMA:45003] Re: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Ken Cooper
I don't know where the line would be drawn as the question has never come up. I have seen some spectacular misconversions, but the trader has immediately corrected the error when it has been pointed out. --- On Sat, 2/5/09, Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: From: Jeremiah MacGregor Subject: Re: [USM

[USMA:45000] RE: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Jeremiah MacGregor
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I was not referring to any sale of the 1.136 L size, but the manufacture of it.  Those who produce it may find the urge to downsize the product to 1 L in order to save cost thus eliminating that size from the market.  The Scottish Co-op may only sell the 568 m

[USMA:44999] RE: Stephen's use of pseudonyms

2009-05-02 Thread Jeremiah MacGregor
As much as Stephen loves to exchange personal data in personal off list emails, it has never benefited him.  I also believe that most of those "new" posters on the MVI forum are Stephen clones and also that he is involved in the administration of that site.  If Stephen lived in the US and did

[USMA:44998] RE: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Jeremiah MacGregor
>From a purchasing point of view, rounded sizes in metric are preferred.  If >you follow the discussions on changing the FPLA in the US to allow for metric >only, it doesn't force or prescribe rounded metric sizes, but the hope of >those pushing the amendment is that it will send the message to

[USMA:44997] Re: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Jeremiah MacGregor
Where would you draw the line?  What would be OK and not OK?  Why doesn't the law make it simple?  Just make the old units non-legal?  This way you can use them if you chose but you can make up your own definition and an inspectors time is not bothered with them? I believe in Australia it is t

[USMA:44996] RE: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Ken Cooper
No Jerry. I said that the Scottish Co-op use rounded metric sizes (apart from 568 ml/1 pt.)   Locally, I can buy milk at 2 Co-ops, 1 Tesco, 1 Spar, 1 independent grocer & at various newpaper shops. Tesco, Spar & the independent grocer all supply 1.136 litre containers (as well as 1 litre contain

[USMA:44995] The true state of the USMA list ......RE: [USMA:44993]  RE: Stephen's use of pseudonyms

2009-05-02 Thread brian
Well, regardless (because of) of ya'll's bullshit (yes, I said it...someone had to) this list has gone downhill quickly.It's gone downhill much faster when the bashing that's been going on here than it would have had with someone here and there saying that imperial units are used here and there.Je

[USMA:44994] RE: Supplementary indications

2009-05-02 Thread Ken Cooper
I would like to add a few observations to John F-L's excellent post below.   Tesco have many different sizes of stores throughout the UK, John gives a good description of a "Tesco Extra Superstore".   However, they also have smaller supermarkets, known as "Tesco Metro" & "Tesco Express".   My lo

[USMA:44993] RE: Stephen's use of pseudonyms

2009-05-02 Thread Ken Cooper
Stephen said   "Important note: as with other acts of pedantry, twisting the truth, and general vendetta led spam - do not believe claims of joke posts by 'Jock' being myself."   That's right. I'd better give everyone Stephen's totally believable version of events.   Stephen claims to have been

[USMA:44992] RE: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Ken Cooper
Sorry Jerry. I have to disagree.   Why does a zero at the end of a 3 digit number make something truely metric and any other digit make it "pseudo-metric"?   123 g is a metric amount. So is 100 g. They are equally metric.   With regard to 500 ml & 568 ml based packages, I don't know the exact per

[USMA:44991] Re: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Ken Cooper
Perhaps Jerry.   But the inspector is still going to have to convert the supplementary imperial indication to make sure it is not misleading.   IMO, "450 g 1 lb" would be OK. "400 g 1 lb" wouldn't be allowed. --- On Fri, 1/5/09, Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: From: Jeremiah MacGregor Subject: [USM

[USMA:44990] Re: Breech of FPLA law

2009-05-02 Thread Jeremiah MacGregor
The package was part of a handout on an airplane. Still the good part is there are no ounces stated and the amount doesn't correspond to an ounce size. Jerry  From: John M. Steele To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 6:48:12 AM Subject:

[USMA:44989] RE: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread Jeremiah MacGregor
Well, as times get tougher and costs rise, they may feel the urge to downsize the 1.136 L to a 1 L.   Also if they produce both a 1.136 L and a 1 L they can cut costs by dropping the 1.136 L.  If I understand Ken correctly, this size has already disappeared in his town.  It is just a matter of t

[USMA:44988] RE: Supplementary indications

2009-05-02 Thread Jeremiah MacGregor
John, It is just so good to hear the truth about what Tesco is like compared to those who want to paint a rosy picture of Tesco being "the imperial store".  It is sort of funny that some people will only allow themselves to purchase the <5 % of the products that are dual marked and then claim t

[USMA:44987] Re: Breech of FPLA law

2009-05-02 Thread John M. Steele
James gave one possible answer, and I'm not disagreeing with it.  However, there is another possible answer.   The package is labelled not for individual resale.  If it is sold only in a pack of several such packages (or is a free handout, or a few other reasons), the individual package does not

[USMA:44986] RE: FPLA 2010

2009-05-02 Thread John Frewen-Lord
There is no reason why it shouldn't disappear, now that prescribed quantities are gone. Depends I suppose on whether manufacturers still think they have an economic advantage to produce packaging in both metric and imperial sizes. - Original Message - From: Jeremiah MacGregor To:

[USMA:44985] RE: Supplementary indications

2009-05-02 Thread John Frewen-Lord
The largest branches of the major supermarket chains in the UK (Tesco, Asda, etc) can have as many as 50 000 separate products on their shelves. I would venture to say that Jerry's estimate of >90% being labelled metric only is conservative - probably like >95%. Tesco is huge (it was recently