Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-05-30 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
I believe if you don't set the end of burst flag it won't reset the accumulator. On another note, how difficult would it be to reset the accumulator at the start of burst.  While doing it at the end makes it coherent with itself, the xmit waveform still has a starting phase change from pulse

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-05-29 Thread Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
On 05/29/2019 06:49 PM, Michael West via USRP-users wrote: Thanks to Michael's persistence, we did find an issue in the DUC and DDC where the phase accumulator was the wrong resolution (24-bit instead of 32-bit) and was not being reset at the end of each burst. The fix is now available on the

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-05-29 Thread Michael West via USRP-users
Thanks to Michael's persistence, we did find an issue in the DUC and DDC where the phase accumulator was the wrong resolution (24-bit instead of 32-bit) and was not being reset at the end of each burst. The fix is now available on the head of the UHD-3.14 branch and will be included in the

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-04-09 Thread Piotr Krysik via USRP-users
Hi Mike, Let's keep the discussion on the mailing list. I attach the scripts as they are quite small. There is however a data folder with two 4MB files containing noise in complex short format. The version of the archive with those files is here:

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-04-08 Thread Piotr Krysik via USRP-users
Hi all, I looked at this thread and it reminded me of something. Once we purchased few X310 with UBX160 daughter-boards. One of them had some frequency offset on Tx channel, that decreased over time it was running, but very slowly. The daughter-board was then replaced by National Intruments

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-04-06 Thread Freedman, Michael - 1008 - MITLL via USRP-users
I have switched and am currently running the release 3.14.0.0 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: On 04/05/2019 11:43 AM, Michael R. Freedman wrote: > Hello, > > > > If I remove the DSP from the equation by setting the DSP tuning policy to > manual and

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-04-06 Thread Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
On 04/05/2019 11:43 AM, Michael R. Freedman wrote: Hello, If I remove the DSP from the equation by setting the DSP tuning policy to manual and assigning it to zero, I am coherent from tx to rx on all frequencies. I'm now beginning to think that the DSP is doing it's tuning differently for

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-04-05 Thread Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
On 04/05/2019 11:43 AM, Michael R. Freedman wrote: Hello, If I remove the DSP from the equation by setting the DSP tuning policy to manual and assigning it to zero, I am coherent from tx to rx on all frequencies. I'm now beginning to think that the DSP is doing it's tuning differently for

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-04-05 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
Hello, If I remove the DSP from the equation by setting the DSP tuning policy to manual and assigning it to zero, I am coherent from tx to rx on all frequencies.  I'm now beginning to think that the DSP is doing it's tuning differently for tx and rx.  Or there is an accumulated error in

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-27 Thread Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
On 03/27/2019 04:48 PM, Michael R. Freedman wrote: This is on a single UBX card within a single USRP. ./uhd_usrp_probe --args=addr=192.168.40.100 [INFO] [UHD] linux; GNU C++ version 7.3.0; Boost_106501; UHD_3.14.0.0-0-unknown [INFO] [X300] X300 initialization sequence... [INFO] [X300]

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-27 Thread Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
On 03/27/2019 03:39 PM, Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users wrote: Marcus, I tried a 10MHz LOOffset with no change. I also tried it at 1155.0MHz and 1160.0MHz. At 1155 the phase rolls... at 1160 it does not. Mike Could you give us a dump of uhd_usrp_probe for an X310 that displays this

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-27 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
Marcus, I tried a 10MHz LOOffset with no change.  I also tried it at 1155.0MHz and 1160.0MHz.  At 1155 the phase rolls... at 1160 it does not. Mike On 03/27/2019 11:10 AM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users wrote: On 03/27/2019 10:41 AM, Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users wrote: Any

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-27 Thread Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
On 03/27/2019 10:41 AM, Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users wrote: Any thoughts on this? Mike Given that in this case, the incoming carrier will be fighting DC-offset removal rather hard, I wonder if this is a weird artifact of DC-offset removal? If you use offset tuning on the RX, do

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-27 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
Any thoughts on this? Mike On 03/25/2019 01:04 PM, Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users wrote: Marcus,    190Hz is what we calculated.  I have attached a text file with the data we used.  This is a single UBX40 tuned to 155MHz sampling at 2MHz. Mike On 03/25/2019 12:34 PM, Nick Foster

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-25 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
Marcus,    190Hz is what we calculated.  I have attached a text file with the data we used.  This is a single UBX40 tuned to 155MHz sampling at 2MHz. Mike On 03/25/2019 12:34 PM, Nick Foster wrote: Well, according to your description, you could transmit a carrier from TX to RX (through an

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-25 Thread Nick Foster via USRP-users
Well, according to your description, you could transmit a carrier from TX to RX (through an attenuator) with both sides set to the same frequency. Your received signal should look like a sine wave at the frequency of the offset. On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:16 AM Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users <

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-25 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
Hello, Do you have any suggestions as to how to measure the frequency delta between the transmit channel and the receive channel? As I sat down to do this, I realized I have no real way to do that. Mike On 03/24/2019 03:23 PM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users wrote: On 03/24/2019 02:39

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-25 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
Marcus, Thanks for engaging in this.  I will have frequency deltas for you first thing this afternoon. Mike On 03/24/2019 03:07 PM, Marcus Müller wrote: I can fully understand that! You don't happen to have an estimate for that frequency offset's magnitude? Is it always the same drift?

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-25 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
Marcus, In this setup I have 6 UBX-160 v2 and 6 UBX-40 v2.    The USRPs are all X310 Rev 11, Rev_compat 7.   I have tried 3.13.1 as well as 3.14-rc3. Thanks!    Mike On 03/24/2019 03:23 PM, Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users wrote: On 03/24/2019 02:39 PM, Freedman, Michael - 1008 - MITLL via

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-24 Thread Marcus D. Leech via USRP-users
On 03/24/2019 02:39 PM, Freedman, Michael - 1008 - MITLL via USRP-users wrote: It is not just a phase offset. It is a frequency offset. The phase drifts between the two. I can tolerate a phase offset at startup. A freq offset however is causing problems. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24,

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-24 Thread Marcus Müller via USRP-users
I can fully understand that! You don't happen to have an estimate for that frequency offset's magnitude? Is it always the same drift? I'm trying to narrow down analog vs numerical accuracy issues here. Best regards, Marcus On Sun, 2019-03-24 at 18:39 +, Freedman, Michael - 1008 - MITLL wrote:

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-24 Thread Freedman, Michael - 1008 - MITLL via USRP-users
It is not just a phase offset. It is a frequency offset. The phase drifts between the two. I can tolerate a phase offset at startup. A freq offset however is causing problems. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2019, at 4:28 AM, Marcus Müller wrote: Can you elaborate on what "not

Re: [USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-24 Thread Marcus Müller via USRP-users
Can you elaborate on what "not coherent" means to you – the relative phase should be constant after each tune, but if you don't tune simultaneously, i.e. with timed commands, random at each tune. Best regards, Marcus On Sat, 2019-03-23 at 17:06 -0400, Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users wrote: >

[USRP-users] UBX coherence between TX and RX

2019-03-23 Thread Michael R. Freedman via USRP-users
Hello, I have an issue where I tune both the TX and RX side of a UBX40 card in an X310 to the same frequency and find that the transmitted signal and what is received are not coherent.  I am using an external 10MHz reference and have tried the documented suggestions. at 150MHz it is