Re: [Uta] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-31 Thread Jim Fenton
On 7/30/19 5:02 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 04:11:36PM -0700, Jim Fenton wrote: On 7/17/19 12:18 PM, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: The following paragraph (unchanged from my ballot on -07) received only minimal discussion so far: I'm also concerned about the

Re: [Uta] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:16:25PM -0700, Jim Fenton wrote: > The RFC 7672 definition of Reference Identifier includes the CN-ID, so it > would be more consistent to include it when referencing 6125 as well. For the record, RFC7672 has aged a bit since ~2014 when most of it was written, so at

Re: [Uta] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:07PM -0400, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Jul 31, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > > That seems likely; I don't feel a particular need to introduce skew between > > reality and the text of the specification. I guess, if the WG wants, we > > could recommend

Re: [Uta] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 09:19:40PM -0400, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 07:02:23PM -0500, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > > > This work was inspired by a paper, "Neither Snow Nor Rain Nor MITM ...An > > > Empirical Analysis of Email Delivery Security" > > >

Re: [Uta] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Jul 31, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > That seems likely; I don't feel a particular need to introduce skew between > reality and the text of the specification. I guess, if the WG wants, we > could recommend SRV-ID but still allow CN-ID (but this really is up to the > WG and it is

Re: [Uta] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 05:08:42AM -0400, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:16:25PM -0700, Jim Fenton wrote: > > > The RFC 7672 definition of Reference Identifier includes the CN-ID, so it > > would be more consistent to include it when referencing 6125 as well. > > For the