Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/27/22 4:27 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 02:37:22PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: It does for the majority of the certificate usages, but in practice today DANE is primarily used with SMTP, and predominantly with DANE-EE(3) TLSA records, in which case identity

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/27/22 4:13 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 02:43:43PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 6/27/22 1:08 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:52:00PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Yep, we can punt the definition but then we need to address all the

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 02:37:22PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > It does for the majority of the certificate usages, but in practice > > today DANE is primarily used with SMTP, and predominantly with > > DANE-EE(3) TLSA records, in which case identity questions are settleda > > at the DNS

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 02:43:43PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 6/27/22 1:08 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:52:00PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > > >>> Yep, we can punt the definition but then we need to address all the > >>> special cases. > >> > >> I

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/27/22 1:08 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:52:00PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Yep, we can punt the definition but then we need to address all the special cases. I would prefer to bring back the reference to RFC 1034. A DNS FQDN is sequence of dot-separated

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/25/22 2:43 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 10:13:28PM +0300, Yaron Sheffer wrote: My question was about identity validation, which is what 6125bis is about. So it's a subset of your second option, "validation of certificates". And yes, this boils to, are DANE-based EE

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/24/22 5:07 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: * Which identifier types a client includes in its list of reference identifiers, and their priority, is a matter of local policy - given the situation today, can we have a normative recommendation for clients to be strict in constructing their

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:52:00PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > Yep, we can punt the definition but then we need to address all the special > > cases. > > I would prefer to bring back the reference to RFC 1034. A DNS FQDN is sequence of dot-separated labels each of whose wire forms is

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Salz, Rich
Most items Yaron raised (thanks for the review!) are addressed in https://github.com/richsalz/draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis/pull/50/files >> * The DTLS reference should change to DTLS 1.3. >> * See Appendix A of [VERIFY] >> * The rules are brief - it's not clear from the

Re: [Uta] I-D Action: draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-08.txt

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/25/22 6:20 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: Yaron Sheffer writes: This revision addresses Ben's SecDir review, as well as several other reviewers' comments. Thank you all! It doesn't have anything about EtM as per the recent discussion though... The conclusion of that discussion wasn't

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/25/22 8:30 AM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: Thank you Rich and Peter, some follow-ups below. Yaron On 6/25/22, 02:07, "Peter Saint-Andre" wrote: > In the archive [1], Yaron's message continued as follows... > > ### > > * No definition is given for "FQDN"

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 05:15:09PM +, Salz, Rich wrote: > Does a DANE certificate have the same "name" as a non-DANE > certificate? Yes, the name is a DNS name, and for DANE certificate usages PKIX-TA(0), PKIX-EE(1) and DANE-TA(2) the same logic applies to the EE certificate as in PKIX with

Re: [Uta] WGLC for draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-06

2022-06-27 Thread Salz, Rich
Does a DANE certificate have the same "name" as a non-DANE certificate? If the subjectAltNAME for a DANE-based certificate is the same as for non-DANE, then yes the rules should apply. If not, no. I cannot answer that question, and look to you experts to advise us. Note that "validating the