Re: AW: AW: WG: [vchkpw] lock account after login failures

2003-09-30 Thread Paul L. Allen
Feucht, Florian writes: Perhaps he did, but locked out CONNECTIONS from that IP for 10 minutes reads differently to me. If Tom had meant what you said, then I would have expected something like locked out authentication attempts from that username/IP pair for 10 minutes. This idea

AW: AW: WG: [vchkpw] lock account after login failures

2003-09-29 Thread Feucht, Florian
Perhaps he did, but locked out CONNECTIONS from that IP for 10 minutes reads differently to me. If Tom had meant what you said, then I would have expected something like locked out authentication attempts from that username/IP pair for 10 minutes. This idea is great, but doesn't work for

AW: WG: [vchkpw] lock account after login failures

2003-09-26 Thread Feucht, Florian
Hi My idea is to store this information per user, so the others keep unaffected from locked mailboxes. Another Possibility is to lock the account only for an specific amount of time (lets say 10 minutes) after 3 password fails. So if somebody tries some hardcore brute force, the database grows

Re: AW: WG: [vchkpw] lock account after login failures

2003-09-26 Thread Paul L. Allen
Feucht, Florian writes: My idea is to store this information per user, so the others keep unaffected from locked mailboxes. Another Possibility is to lock the account only for an specific amount of time (lets say 10 minutes) after 3 password fails. So if somebody tries some hardcore brute

Re: AW: WG: [vchkpw] lock account after login failures

2003-09-26 Thread Tom Collins
On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 03:39 AM, Paul L. Allen wrote: You are still not considering the possibility that somebody mounts a denial of service attack. An attacker need only make three attempts every ten minutes to permanently lock somebody out. And the attacker can do that for every

Re: AW: WG: [vchkpw] lock account after login failures

2003-09-26 Thread Paul L. Allen
Tom Collins writes: What if the system tracked it by IP, and after three failures locked out connections from that IP for 10 minutes? That has problems for companies behind a firewall which use external mail servers (we have several clients in that situation). All it takes is one person to

Re: AW: WG: [vchkpw] lock account after login failures

2003-09-26 Thread Paul L. Allen
X-Istence writes: Paul L. Allen wrote: Tom Collins writes: What if the system tracked it by IP, and after three failures locked out connections from that IP for 10 minutes? [...] He meant log it on an account AND ip basis. Perhaps he did, but locked out CONNECTIONS from that