Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Christopher Chan wrote: The question in my mind is who will own the name qmail, and what product, if any, will bear that name. I don't know if it'll be approved, but I got the qmail project name on SourceForge, minutes after I heard it was put in public domain. What license? GPL or BSD? :-D Public Domain. That is a valid choice on SouceForge. I hope you can garner more support. Me too... We'll see I'm about to reply to you on the qmail list and we'll see what happens... Rick !DSPAM:47567e5832001761213935!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Public Domain. That is a valid choice on SouceForge. :-) I hope you can garner more support. Me too... We'll see I'm about to reply to you on the qmail list and we'll see what happens... Well, now that Charles has responded... You did previously say that you would rather not have a qmail specifically for vpopmail. Are you going to stick to that? At the moment, I do not see netqmail adding support for user verification at rcpt to time in the near future... !DSPAM:4756b83c32001521588453!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Christopher Chan wrote: Public Domain. That is a valid choice on SouceForge. :-) I hope you can garner more support. Me too... We'll see I'm about to reply to you on the qmail list and we'll see what happens... Well, now that Charles has responded... You did previously say that you would rather not have a qmail specifically for vpopmail. Are you going to stick to that? Yes. As far as I am concerned, the project is not possible without the support of the major qmail players. I will probably see about shutting it down. At the moment, I do not see netqmail adding support for user verification at rcpt to time in the near future... We'll see what happens. I haven't had a chance to look at netqmail-1.06 yet, but I see it is now out. Rick !DSPAM:475758fc32001368557541!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Yes. As far as I am concerned, the project is not possible without the support of the major qmail players. I will probably see about shutting it down. none of the lads here interested? I doubt many of you use vpopmail with postfix like i do and now that qmail is public domain, i will probably try to lift some code for a postfix qmail lda...but surely there is interest in a proper qmail based smtp frontend? At the moment, I do not see netqmail adding support for user verification at rcpt to time in the near future... We'll see what happens. I haven't had a chance to look at netqmail-1.06 yet, but I see it is now out. Same as netqmail-1.04 plus the qmail-isoc patch for the qmail-smtpd signed integer bug. So no vpopmail user verification support. !DSPAM:4757611532006275313444!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 19:05 -0700, Rick Widmer wrote: Christopher Chan wrote: Public Domain. That is a valid choice on SouceForge. :-) I hope you can garner more support. Me too... We'll see I'm about to reply to you on the qmail list and we'll see what happens... Well, now that Charles has responded... You did previously say that you would rather not have a qmail specifically for vpopmail. Are you going to stick to that? Yes. As far as I am concerned, the project is not possible without the support of the major qmail players. I will probably see about shutting it down. At the moment, I do not see netqmail adding support for user verification at rcpt to time in the near future... We'll see what happens. I haven't had a chance to look at netqmail-1.06 yet, but I see it is now out. Rick it appears 1.06 is for legal purposes only...no changes to the codebase. this is an excerpt from the top of netqmail-1.06/CHANGES 20071130 version: netqmail 1.06 20071130 legal: qmail-1.03 is now in the public domain 20051103 doc: dot-qmail.9 updated for changed (19980613) ... btw the link on the homepage http://www.qmail.org/netqmail/CHANGES still references the changelog from 1.05, but inside http://www.qmail.org/netqmail-1.06.tar.gz tarball there is an updated CHANGES file. -- aichains [EMAIL PROTECTED] !DSPAM:4757785e32001514716618!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
I don't know if it'll be approved, but I got the qmail project name on SourceForge, minutes after I heard it was put in public domain. congrats on getting the qmail project name. !DSPAM:475646bf32001869215925!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Well, http://cr.yp.to has been his site for...ummm...I don't know when did time begin again? ;) But yes, this would be the official place where the announcement would be. I must admit, I'm surprised, but happy qmail has been released. Just in time for Christmas too! Regards, Tren - Original Message - From: Boris Pavlov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vchkpw@inter7.com vchkpw@inter7.com Sent: Mon Dec 03 07:41:34 2007 Subject: Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours Quey wrote: Dan J Bernstein has recently put Qmail into the public domain, _http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html_ HAH! Is this confirmed in some way? !DSPAM:4754250f32001275246481!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 17:41 +0200, Boris Pavlov wrote: Quey wrote: Dan J Bernstein has recently put Qmail into the public domain, _http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html_ HAH! Is this confirmed in some way? Well there is this as well. http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/11/30/0430201.shtml !DSPAM:4754259032001976469284!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Quey wrote: Dan J Bernstein has recently put Qmail into the public domain, _http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html_ HAH! Is this confirmed in some way? !DSPAM:475423b232001190216534!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
For those that don't mind Flash, there is also a video up on Google Videos (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3147768955127254412) where he announces it as well. I just can't help but wonder if his action is too little too late. - Michael Tren Blackburn wrote: Well, http://cr.yp.to has been his site for...ummm...I don't know when did time begin again? ;) But yes, this would be the official place where the announcement would be. I must admit, I'm surprised, but happy qmail has been released. Just in time for Christmas too! Regards, Tren - Original Message - From: Boris Pavlov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vchkpw@inter7.com vchkpw@inter7.com Sent: Mon Dec 03 07:41:34 2007 Subject: Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours Quey wrote: Dan J Bernstein has recently put Qmail into the public domain, _http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html_ HAH! Is this confirmed in some way? !DSPAM:475427fc32002121017011!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Boris Pavlov wrote: Quey wrote: Dan J Bernstein has recently put Qmail into the public domain, _http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html_ HAH! Is this confirmed in some way? What more confirmation do you need than the second paragraph from the URL you listed above: == D. J. Bernstein Internet mail qmail Information for distributors If you're a distributor, you should join the 0 mailing list. I hereby place the qmail package (in particular, qmail-1.03.tar.gz, with MD5 checksum 622f65f982e380dbe86e6574f3abcb7c) into the public domain. You are free to modify the package, distribute modified versions, etc. This does not mean that modifications are encouraged! Please take time to ensure that your distribution of qmail supports exactly the same interface as everyone else's. In particular, if you move files, please set up symbolic links from the original locations, so that you don't frivolously break scripts that work everywhere else. == On the other hand, what do you want to do with it now that it is public domain? 100 forks -- all different -- will not help the qmail world. !DSPAM:47542c3c32002094014015!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Rick Widmer wrote: Boris Pavlov wrote: Quey wrote: Dan J Bernstein has recently put Qmail into the public domain, _http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html_ HAH! Is this confirmed in some way? What more confirmation do you need than the second paragraph from the URL you listed above: == D. J. Bernstein Internet mail qmail Information for distributors If you're a distributor, you should join the 0 mailing list. I hereby place the qmail package (in particular, qmail-1.03.tar.gz, with MD5 checksum 622f65f982e380dbe86e6574f3abcb7c) into the public domain. You are free to modify the package, distribute modified versions, etc. This does not mean that modifications are encouraged! Please take time to ensure that your distribution of qmail supports exactly the same interface as everyone else's. In particular, if you move files, please set up symbolic links from the original locations, so that you don't frivolously break scripts that work everywhere else. == On the other hand, what do you want to do with it now that it is public domain? 100 forks -- all different -- will not help the qmail world. I think that will be the natural progression, and it will probably be a good thing in the long run. Those who actually know qmail and understand it's operation will provide the best packaged solutions, and those who do not know qmail will gravitate to those products. In the end, the cream will rise to the top. The question in my mind is who will own the name qmail, and what product, if any, will bear that name. I've no problem running Inter7 Super-Duper Mail Server, or Netqmail v 2.0, or ShuppMail v 1.0, or qmail v 2.0. But there are some current installations supplying qmail installation instructions I would not run if they provided a package. I would prefer those didn't go by the name qmail, but it ain't up to me. DAve -- I've been asking Google for a Veteran's Day logo since 2000, maybe 1999. I was told they finally did a Veteran's Day logo, but none of the links I was given return anything but a normal Google logo. Sad, very sad. Maybe the Chinese Government didn't like it? !DSPAM:4754334632001643018724!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
DAve wrote: Rick Widmer wrote: On the other hand, what do you want to do with it now that it is public domain? 100 forks -- all different -- will not help the qmail world. I think that will be the natural progression, and it will probably be a good thing in the long run. Those who actually know qmail and understand it's operation will provide the best packaged solutions, and those who do not know qmail will gravitate to those products. In the end, the cream will rise to the top. You are probably right that is what will happen. I don't have to like it though. :) I think there should be one qmail, and the next version should be qmail-1.05 -- exactly the same thing as you get from netqmail-1.05. Then add the ability to control common patches with a ./configure script. The question in my mind is who will own the name qmail, and what product, if any, will bear that name. I don't know if it'll be approved, but I got the qmail project name on SourceForge, minutes after I heard it was put in public domain. !DSPAM:4754474232001000813953!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Rick Widmer wrote: DAve wrote: Rick Widmer wrote: On the other hand, what do you want to do with it now that it is public domain? 100 forks -- all different -- will not help the qmail world. I think that will be the natural progression, and it will probably be a good thing in the long run. Those who actually know qmail and understand it's operation will provide the best packaged solutions, and those who do not know qmail will gravitate to those products. In the end, the cream will rise to the top. You are probably right that is what will happen. I don't have to like it though. :) I think there should be one qmail, and the next version should be qmail-1.05 -- exactly the same thing as you get from netqmail-1.05. Then add the ability to control common patches with a ./configure script. The question in my mind is who will own the name qmail, and what product, if any, will bear that name. I don't know if it'll be approved, but I got the qmail project name on SourceForge, minutes after I heard it was put in public domain. We'd run a Inter7 supported version of qmail-1.5, of course the nicest thing is we can change nothing and go on happy as clams with our installs of the old patchy, outdated, unsupported qmail that so many seem to hate s much. ;^) DAve -- I've been asking Google for a Veteran's Day logo since 2000, maybe 1999. I was told they finally did a Veteran's Day logo, but none of the links I was given return anything but a normal Google logo. Sad, very sad. Maybe the Chinese Government didn't like it? !DSPAM:475453e032007800612025!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
Michael Johnson wrote: For those that don't mind Flash, there is also a video up on Google Videos (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3147768955127254412) where he announces it as well. I just can't help but wonder if his action is too little too late. Who cares? Those who hate DJB will consider it so no matter what and those who love his stuff will be the more merrier now. The thing I am interested in is that he did say something about future releases of software. What I would like to know is what does he have on his plate to give us?. !DSPAM:47548e0332001922415628!
Re: [vchkpw] After 7 years of neglect Qmail is now ours
The question in my mind is who will own the name qmail, and what product, if any, will bear that name. I don't know if it'll be approved, but I got the qmail project name on SourceForge, minutes after I heard it was put in public domain. What license? GPL or BSD? :-D I hope you can garner more support. !DSPAM:47549b5332001257442616!
