Re: [vchkpw] Re: qmail installation script 1.3.6 final release
Congratulations. You've been here longer than I have. The only thing is that, even with my notoriously-poor memory, I remember seeing MANY announcements from him. At least more than one a month. Well lets make it a rule of tumb, only put out releases every 3 months or so... Like me, I've sometimes put my releases here, but I never put a release post if it's a small typo fix, and I've never heard anyone complaining about my releases... Cause I would like to see releases like that, but not so much like 2-5 times in a month from the same dude... this list isn't for advertising!!
Re: [vchkpw] Re: qmail installation script 1.3.6 final release
Raboo Treed wrote: Congratulations. You've been here longer than I have. The only thing is that, even with my notoriously-poor memory, I remember seeing MANY announcements from him. At least more than one a month. Well lets make it a rule of tumb, only put out releases every 3 months or so... Like me, I've sometimes put my releases here, but I never put a release post if it's a small typo fix, and I've never heard anyone complaining about my releases... Cause I would like to see releases like that, but not so much like 2-5 times in a month from the same dude... this list isn't for advertising!! I must say, I did go back and search and discovered that this person did in fact post announcements about a ridiculous number of rc releases, some of which were trivial fixes that the general public wouldn't have cared about. Apparently I'm better at ignoring noise than even I'd thought. I would think that only at major releases, with major releases being something sane like new features and massive bugfixes, would notification be reasonable. Even then people have pointed out it is terribly off-topic. What I suppose would be truly nice would be a sort of meta qmail/vpopmail/courier/sqwebmail/squirrelmail/etc list just for new version announcements so that anything related to the cluster of packages that many of use some group of would have one place to be announced at. -- Nick
RE: [vchkpw] Re: qmail installation script 1.3.6 final release
Lol...you all realize that you are generating more noise than the noise that is the root of the discussion. The installation script release updates on a vpopmail list are debateable if you really like being AAAP (As Anal As Possible). But the fact that it is a simple post about a qmail project someone is working on, which (arguably) does very much relate to vpopmail makes me believe it shouldn't be ridiculed. If you really feel the need to tell someone to post to another list, you don't have to be a terrible asshole about it right from the get-go. I think a few people on this list need to get a punching bag and/or a girl friend. PS. Franck, I say post on man. I'm gonna be setting up another MX for my company, and I'm gonna give your script a try. Peaz. -Chris -Original Message- From: Nick Harring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 6:31 AM Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Re: qmail installation script 1.3.6 final release Raboo Treed wrote: Congratulations. You've been here longer than I have. The only thing is that, even with my notoriously-poor memory, I remember seeing MANY announcements from him. At least more than one a month. Well lets make it a rule of tumb, only put out releases every 3 months or so... Like me, I've sometimes put my releases here, but I never put a release post if it's a small typo fix, and I've never heard anyone complaining about my releases... Cause I would like to see releases like that, but not so much like 2-5 times in a month from the same dude... this list isn't for advertising!! I must say, I did go back and search and discovered that this person did in fact post announcements about a ridiculous number of rc releases, some of which were trivial fixes that the general public wouldn't have cared about. Apparently I'm better at ignoring noise than even I'd thought. I would think that only at major releases, with major releases being something sane like new features and massive bugfixes, would notification be reasonable. Even then people have pointed out it is terribly off-topic. What I suppose would be truly nice would be a sort of meta qmail/vpopmail/courier/sqwebmail/squirrelmail/etc list just for new version announcements so that anything related to the cluster of packages that many of use some group of would have one place to be announced at. -- Nick
Re: [vchkpw] Re: qmail installation script 1.3.6 final release
hmm, not realy, cause I think i've also put a release note for my installer here... - Original Message - From: Nick Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Re: qmail installation script 1.3.6 final release Paul L. Allen wrote: X-Istence writes: I agree, that is totally not right. If he thinks he has something great, let him tell others, it has been quite usefull for quite a few people that asked me for help. Claude Shannon. Information Theory. Entropy. Do these things mean anything to you? Well, if those things are beyond your intellectual capabiilties, then do a google search on answers that have search the arhchives and see if you can find an answer to the question posed in a sensible amount of time. As Shannon proved, this regular announcement of a script update is barely distinguishable from noise because we can all predict its content. As I have often maintained (with no effectual argument to the contrary) we need an FAQ for stuff like this where this guy has the ability to change the FAQ to point at his latest version. That's funny, it looked a lot like signal to me. I'd never heard about such an install script, and am interested in looking at his project since I have needs that aren't the same, but are similar enough that I can borrow some of his work. Obviously the announcements aren't that regular, since I've been subscribed to this list for something like 8 months now, and this is the first one I remember seeing. I have no real desire to get into some large debate about this, however I would definitely say that I vehemently disagree with applying a term like entropy to questionably off-topic messages to a mailing list. If you're so thoroughly concerned with signal to noise on a list that subscribe to, I'd recommend unsubscribing. Particularly since you've demonstrated that you're quite skilled with vpopmail, so its doubtful you derive any real benefit from the list, other than the emotional highs you get from tearing into people. Cheers, Nick Harring
Re: [vchkpw] Re: qmail installation script 1.3.6 final release
On Friday 31 October 2003 15:35, Nick Harring wrote: That's funny, it looked a lot like signal to me. I'd never heard about such an install script, and am interested in looking at his project since I have needs that aren't the same, but are similar enough that I can borrow some of his work. Obviously the announcements aren't that regular, since I've been subscribed to this list for something like 8 months now, and this is the first one I remember seeing. Then you are no frequent reader of this mailinglist or you seem to easily forget about noise (which is signal to you.. whatever) I have been notified about the qmail installation script version 1.3.6rc3 1.3.6rc4 1.3.6rc5 1.3.6rc6 and 1.3.6 final via this list. The linux kernel announcements could interest a lot of people in this list, too, so why don't they send their announcements? What about quake? I've played quake sometimes, some of you might have played it as well.. why not start posting about every new version of other stuff people might be interested in? Right, because there are lists/ websites, which take care of this. Freshmeat is just one of them. It is something different when someone asks Hey, I have trouble setting up qmail/vpopmail. Do you know about a script which could do this for me? But since people keep asking these questions regardless of the fact that they have been answered a hundred times in the archives, there is no need to fill the archives with announcements of new software, unless it's named vpopmail. I have no real desire to get into some large debate about this, however I would definitely say that I vehemently disagree with applying a term like entropy to questionably off-topic messages to a mailing list. If you're so thoroughly concerned with signal to noise on a list that subscribe to, I'd recommend unsubscribing. Particularly since you've demonstrated that you're quite skilled with vpopmail, so its doubtful you derive any real benefit from the list, other than the emotional highs you get from tearing into people. Paul has helped so many people on this list, that you might rather think of him benefiting from the emotional highs by helping others. -- Mit internetten Grüßen / Best Regards --- Justin Heesemannionium Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ionium.org
Re: [vchkpw] Re: qmail installation script 1.3.6 final release
Paul L. Allen wrote: X-Istence writes: I agree, that is totally not right. If he thinks he has something great, let him tell others, it has been quite usefull for quite a few people that asked me for help. Claude Shannon. Information Theory. Entropy. Do these things mean anything to you? Well, if those things are beyond your intellectual capabiilties, then do a google search on answers that have search the arhchives and see if you can find an answer to the question posed in a sensible amount of time. As Shannon proved, this regular announcement of a script update is barely distinguishable from noise because we can all predict its content. As I have often maintained (with no effectual argument to the contrary) we need an FAQ for stuff like this where this guy has the ability to change the FAQ to point at his latest version. That's funny, it looked a lot like signal to me. I'd never heard about such an install script, and am interested in looking at his project since I have needs that aren't the same, but are similar enough that I can borrow some of his work. Obviously the announcements aren't that regular, since I've been subscribed to this list for something like 8 months now, and this is the first one I remember seeing. I have no real desire to get into some large debate about this, however I would definitely say that I vehemently disagree with applying a term like entropy to questionably off-topic messages to a mailing list. If you're so thoroughly concerned with signal to noise on a list that subscribe to, I'd recommend unsubscribing. Particularly since you've demonstrated that you're quite skilled with vpopmail, so its doubtful you derive any real benefit from the list, other than the emotional highs you get from tearing into people. Cheers, Nick Harring
