Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution
Andy, I believe one of the strengths of VCL is in its ability to manage software license issues and use roles to manage who has access to what. Is this something that should be included or should we save that for a later and longer description further down the page. Mark On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the board resolution: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members will propose it on the general incubator list. The areas we need to work on are in bold. We need to define the project description and scope. I wrote this as dynamically provisioning and brokering remote access to compute resources. Thoughts? Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave anyone out. This list includes both PPMC members and committers, correct? If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers after graduation, should the status file be changed now? The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project. I would be willing to do this. Anyone else interested? Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file: The stock bullets under Project info should be removed. The description is currently VCL is a management framework for building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine hypervisor. I don't think this is quite accurate. How about VCL is a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and brokers remote access to compute resources.? Thanks, Andy -- Mark Gardner --
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution
On May 18, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the board resolution: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members will propose it on the general incubator list. The areas we need to work on are in bold. We need to define the project description and scope. I wrote this as dynamically provisioning and brokering remote access to compute resources. Thoughts? Thanks for writing this. It sounds great. Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave anyone out. This list includes both PPMC members and committers, correct? If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers after graduation, should the status file be changed now? The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project. I would be willing to do this. Anyone else interested? I would support having Andy serve as chair. Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file: The stock bullets under Project info should be removed. The description is currently VCL is a management framework for building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine hypervisor. I don't think this is quite accurate. How about VCL is a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and brokers remote access to compute resources.? That sounds much better (though I believe a comma should precede 'which'). Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edu smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution
Oops. Moving to vcl-dev rather than vcl-user. On May 18, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the board resolution: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members will propose it on the general incubator list. The areas we need to work on are in bold. We need to define the project description and scope. I wrote this as dynamically provisioning and brokering remote access to compute resources. Thoughts? Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave anyone out. This list includes both PPMC members and committers, correct? If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers after graduation, should the status file be changed now? It would be good to list all current committers who aren't on this list. From a quick scan, it looks like bmbouter made some commits in 2009 and isn't included. Which is OK. But from my experience, best to be explicit on these matters, and discuss the criteria used to determine the list. Make sure you're including documentation contributions and mailing list discussions etc. Alan said he'd follow the project to help insure a smooth graduation. So, I'd add him. You can leave me on the list, also. No. Don't change status file. Technically, that would require a vote… The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project. I would be willing to do this. Anyone else interested? Im happy with the choice of the community. Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file: The stock bullets under Project info should be removed. The description is currently VCL is a management framework for building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine hypervisor. I don't think this is quite accurate. How about VCL is a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and brokers remote access to compute resources.? I'll look at details of the text later… May be next week... --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
On May 9, 2012, at 12:46 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 1, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. I can update this tomorrow. I think I got this, already. But if I missed anything/made any mistakes, please let Alan know… ;-) --kevan
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I meant to send this earlier and then got bogged down working on the release. I definitely think we should start the process of graduating. I really feel like we have enough of a community now that if NCSU were to pull out of the project (very unlikely to happen), VCL would continue to survive. The web site definitely needs work either before graduating or very soon after. I have some ideas about how to organize things based on what type of information a person may be looking for when visiting the site. I'll try to get that framework put in place now that Andy has created the stub files for using the new CMS system. As soon as we get a release candidate cut, I'll have more time to work on things like the status page and the web site. Josh On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14:25 AM Aaron Peeler wrote: I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating +from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/project s/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+pJnkACgkQV/LQcNdtPQPgRACfb1JU4fGKWAr5xs2xmVrSZiMc OlAAnA5LzE3Ng1W8t7XveW6wnefyiZ6m =ICsu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I also support graduation. There has been consistent active development work and a good roadmap for future releases. There is an active community of users that have exchanged a lot of good ideas and provided assistance to the community in resolving problems associated with VCL. It's a solid project and stable application which is getting increasing use at our institution and I foresee it continuing to grow in the future. Mike Waldron Systems Specialist ITS Research Computing University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From: Aaron Peeler [aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14 AM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org; vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I would like to also approve the graduation of VCL. Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! -Original message- From: Waldron, Michael H mwald...@email.unc.edu To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org, vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:17:59 EDT Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation I also support graduation. There has been consistent active development work and a good roadmap for future releases. There is an active community of users that have exchanged a lot of good ideas and provided assistance to the community in resolving problems associated with VCL. It's a solid project and stable application which is getting increasing use at our institution and I foresee it continuing to grow in the future. Mike Waldron Systems Specialist ITS Research Computing University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill From: Aaron Peeler [aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14 AM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org; vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
We began working with the VCL software about two years ago at Amherst College, and in that time, the community has grown well beyond its NCSU roots. I am seeing significantly more activity on the lists as well as more JIRA issues and contributed code from the wider community. I would also support a vote for graduation. As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.orghttp://vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation? Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu On May 2, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote: I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edumailto:andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You,
RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I concur that VCL graduation is warranted. GSU has been running VCL for nearly two years. The VCL community has been helpful to Georgia State in getting our VCL instance going and supported. The related VCL discussions as well as the VCL Virtual Office Hours indicate, in my opinion, a strong and diverse community implementing, using and supporting VCL. Graduation to next level is my vote. Art Art Vandenberg Account Manager/Research Function Customer Relations, IST Information Systems Technology Georgia State University avandenb...@gsu.edu +1 404 413 4743 MS Information Computer Science, Georgia Tech MVA Painting Drawing, Georgia State Web page: http://www.gsu.edu/ist/acs/25735.html From: Aaron Coburn [acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:46 AM To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org; aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu Cc: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation We began working with the VCL software about two years ago at Amherst College, and in that time, the community has grown well beyond its NCSU roots. I am seeing significantly more activity on the lists as well as more JIRA issues and contributed code from the wider community. I would also support a vote for graduation. As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.orghttp://vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation? Aaron Coburn -- Aaron Coburn Systems Administrator and Programmer Academic Technology Services, Amherst College acob...@amherst.edumailto:acob...@amherst.edu On May 2, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote: I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edumailto:andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I believe we can run anything we like. ASF does provide the hosting and the top-level projects do have their own url projectname.apache.org. I'm not up-to speed yet on what our options are or what the other projects are using. The Apache infrastructure team is recommending projects to migrate away from confluence. Has anyone else had a chance to research which cms tools are available supported/recommended by ASF? I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation? I don't think it is a requirement, but ideally it would be nice to at least have a start on a new site by graduation time. Aaron Peeler
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I looked through a number of existing top-level ASF project websites, and they
all appear to be serving up static HTML pages. Some of them use a wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/{project name}; otherwise, the sites appear to be
generated by some sort of script/template combination. If there is a choice, I
would recommend following this model: using static pages as much as possible
will effectively eliminate almost all security and maintenance issues.
Most ASF sites do not have a search feature, and those that do rely on third
parties (e.g. google). It would be easy enough to follow that model, though if
we use Sphinx, it has a built-in (javascript-based) search engine.
There are a lot of template-based options for building sites, and I am
completely unfamiliar with most of them. Velocity is another ASF project, but I
have never worked with it. Several years ago I used Template::Toolkit quite a
bit, which is written in perl. Since so much of the VCL uses perl, this might
be a good option -- not that one actually needs to know perl to use it. It
would also be possible to use an XSLT-based engine, but I XSL syntax can be
very unforgiving. My current favorite is Sphinx, which relies on python to
generate the HTML.
Aaron Coburn
On May 4, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote:
As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I
am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like
vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a
complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal
(MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a
very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not
specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand,
if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc,
I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really
best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
-- it does create excellent sites, though.
I believe we can run anything we like. ASF does provide the hosting
and the top-level projects do have their own url
projectname.apache.org.
I'm not up-to speed yet on what our options are or what the other
projects are using. The Apache infrastructure team is recommending
projects to migrate away from confluence. Has anyone else had a chance
to research which cms tools are available supported/recommended by
ASF?
I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it
this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation?
I don't think it is a requirement, but ideally it would be nice to at
least have a start on a new site by graduation time.
Aaron Peeler
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support a vote for graduation. I agree on the other points mentioned. Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily. The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content, documentation, design ideas, etc.) Aaron On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
[DISCUSS] Graduation
This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to graduate to a top level ASF project. There are several requirements which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate. This discussion thread is the first step towards graduation. Please review the following pages. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc). The following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought up before. Please share your thoughts. Also, please review the ASF graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a concern. Status File: (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information. Previous board reports need to be added. News items need to be added containing the string new committer. Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew column on the Status of the Clutch page to turn green (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html). Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't changed since Apache VCL started. The new committers obviously need to be added. I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed any code and some have not been involved in the community at all. I think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth, James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson. Also, Brian Bouterse contributed some code a while ago. I'm not sure if he is still interested in being a committer. Diversity: ASF requirement: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project). This issue has been raised before. I feel we meet this requirement and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be self-sufficient. Website: This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that it should be addressed prior to graduation. Our website/documentation is pretty rough and really should be redesigned. I'm guessing the board members will look at it prior to voting. In addition, there will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views will spike. This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation. Thank You, Andy
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
Hi Mike, This is great. Thank you, thank you, thank you So the next steps (I think) are for you to file your ICLA. Then we can discuss how we want the documentation and website to go. Confluence is our current wiki, but that is fading. So we may want to take this time to request a new CMS and start migrating. When we graduate, we'll need to migrate anyway so might as well start thinking about it now. Aaron On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mike Haudenschild m...@longsight.com wrote: I'm all about good karma. I owe the VCL guys. Besides, I'm one of the sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation. Don't judge me! -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote: Hi, Aaron et al. -- I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects. I'm not a developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would be happy to help in that regard. Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here: http://mhauden.com/moodle Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation contributions (not code). --kevan -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
Hi Aaron, No problem, I'm looking forward to this work! I submitted my contributor agreement this morning to Apache and asked that they notify you. If you're getting close to a 2.3 release, this will be a great time to start developing and revising docs. We should probably set up a time to talk offline...? Regards, Mike -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:40, Aaron Peeler aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, This is great. Thank you, thank you, thank you So the next steps (I think) are for you to file your ICLA. Then we can discuss how we want the documentation and website to go. Confluence is our current wiki, but that is fading. So we may want to take this time to request a new CMS and start migrating. When we graduate, we'll need to migrate anyway so might as well start thinking about it now. Aaron On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mike Haudenschild m...@longsight.com wrote: I'm all about good karma. I owe the VCL guys. Besides, I'm one of the sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation. Don't judge me! -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote: Hi, Aaron et al. -- I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects. I'm not a developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would be happy to help in that regard. Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here: http://mhauden.com/moodle Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation contributions (not code). --kevan -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
Hi, Aaron et al. -- I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects. I'm not a developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would be happy to help in that regard. Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here: http://mhauden.com/moodle Regards, Mike -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 13:52, Aaron Peeler aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Hi Folks, We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the checklist: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist We've meet many of the goals: - the community is growing - cut official releases, soon to be another one - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel. - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can bring one or two more. Our current active committers are: Andy kurth - NCSU Josh Thompson - NCSU David Hutchins - Not-NCSU Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable with writing code. Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we need to address before we apply for graduation? Best Regards, Aaron -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
I'm all about good karma. I owe the VCL guys. Besides, I'm one of the sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation. Don't judge me! -- *Mike Haudenschild* Education Systems Manager Longsight Group (740) 599-5005 x809 m...@longsight.com www.longsight.com On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote: Hi, Aaron et al. -- I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects. I'm not a developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would be happy to help in that regard. Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here: http://mhauden.com/moodle Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation contributions (not code). --kevan
[Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
Hi Folks, We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the checklist: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist We've meet many of the goals: - the community is growing - cut official releases, soon to be another one - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel. - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can bring one or two more. Our current active committers are: Andy kurth - NCSU Josh Thompson - NCSU David Hutchins - Not-NCSU Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable with writing code. Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we need to address before we apply for graduation? Best Regards, Aaron -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Aaron Peeler wrote: Hi Folks, We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the checklist: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist We've meet many of the goals: - the community is growing - cut official releases, soon to be another one - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel. - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can bring one or two more. Our current active committers are: Andy kurth - NCSU Josh Thompson - NCSU David Hutchins - Not-NCSU Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable with writing code. Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we need to address before we apply for graduation? Diversity is the only sticking point that I have. I've been happy with the increased communication (one minor point -- try not to substitute Jira posts with mailing list communication) and overall progress of the community. I'd recommend that you continue to encourage and mentor new contributors. So that they can become committers on the project. --kevan
Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps
On Jan 30, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote: Hi Folks, We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the checklist: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist We've meet many of the goals: - the community is growing - cut official releases, soon to be another one - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel. - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can bring one or two more. Our current active committers are: Andy kurth - NCSU Josh Thompson - NCSU David Hutchins - Not-NCSU Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable with writing code. Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we need to address before we apply for graduation? I think this is a great podling. Diversity is the only sticking point that I have. Are their any lurkers out there who would be willing to step up? :) Sometimes writing or re-writing a sub-system is enough to attract fresh blood. What kinds of things would people like to see added to VCL? Regards, Alan
