Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On 09.03.2018 12:01, Patrick Boettcher wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:55:02 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: On 09.03.2018 11:51, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:30:36 +0100 > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > >> On 01.03.2018 10:22, Patrick Boettcher wrote: >> > On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 >> > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: >> > >> >> On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 >> >> > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Hello Patrick, >> >> >> >> >> >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the >> >> >> transponder innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, >> >> >> too, please? >> >> > >> >> > Hi Klaus, >> >> > >> >> > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same >> >> > symptoms). >> >> >> >> DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= >> >> terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 >> >> (0x0b) Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) >> >> >> >> @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ >> >>cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; >> >>int Source = >> >> cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); int Frequency = >> >> Frequencies[0] = sd->getFrequency() * 10; >> >> + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX >> >> + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", >> >> sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int >> >> Bandwidths[] = { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, >> >> 0 }; dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static >> >> int Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; >> > >> > It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was >> > mixing things up with the already existing ones. >> > >> > As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I >> > remember it has always been like this since 2005. >> > >> > Initial tuning files have always contained all active frequencies >> > for their region, because the NIT did not set the center >> > frequencies correctly. >> > >> > It might be because the multiplexed transport streams are >> > generated centrally and then distributed to all the >> > base-stations where they are emitted as-is but on different >> > frequencies depending on the region. >> > >> > What can we do to get this upstream? >> >> I'm afraid I don't see how this case can be handled correctly. >> >> Maybe somebody else has an idea? > > One approach might be to ignore frequencies for DVB-T channels > update during NIT parsing (in France only?). > >>From my experiences with DVB-T SetTopBoxes using the NIT for > new channel-discovery is rarely done. No customer of my ex-employer > was using it - scanning was entirely based on continuous > frequency-band scanning with a spare demod. > > That would be my idea. But I don't know whether this can be easily > applied to VDR. Well, maybe this works for you? --- nit.c 2016/12/23 14:16:59 4.4 +++ nit.c 2018/03/09 10:53:38 @@ -218,6 +218,8 @@ SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptor *sd = (SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptor *)d; cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); + if (sd->getFrequency() == 0x) +continue; int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = sd->getFrequency() * 10; static int Bandwidths[] = { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); This is what I'm doing right now (though I'm using break instead of continue). I realized that right after I had sent that message ;-). But won't his inhibit the update of modulation parameters of the _current_ channel? Sure. But I don't see how to handle this... Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:55:02 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: > On 09.03.2018 11:51, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:30:36 +0100 > > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > > >> On 01.03.2018 10:22, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > >> > On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 > >> > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > >> >> > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 > >> >> > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hello Patrick, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the > >> >> >> transponder innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, > >> >> >> too, please? > >> >> > > >> >> > Hi Klaus, > >> >> > > >> >> > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same > >> >> > symptoms). > >> >> > >> >> DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= > >> >> terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 > >> >> (0x0b) Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) > >> >> > >> >> @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ > >> >>cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; > >> >>int Source = > >> >> cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); int Frequency = > >> >> Frequencies[0] = sd->getFrequency() * 10; > >> >> + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX > >> >> + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", > >> >> sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int > >> >> Bandwidths[] = { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, > >> >> 0 }; dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static > >> >> int Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; > >> > > >> > It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was > >> > mixing things up with the already existing ones. > >> > > >> > As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I > >> > remember it has always been like this since 2005. > >> > > >> > Initial tuning files have always contained all active frequencies > >> > for their region, because the NIT did not set the center > >> > frequencies correctly. > >> > > >> > It might be because the multiplexed transport streams are > >> > generated centrally and then distributed to all the > >> > base-stations where they are emitted as-is but on different > >> > frequencies depending on the region. > >> > > >> > What can we do to get this upstream? > >> > >> I'm afraid I don't see how this case can be handled correctly. > >> > >> Maybe somebody else has an idea? > > > > One approach might be to ignore frequencies for DVB-T channels > > update during NIT parsing (in France only?). > > > >>From my experiences with DVB-T SetTopBoxes using the NIT for > > new channel-discovery is rarely done. No customer of my ex-employer > > was using it - scanning was entirely based on continuous > > frequency-band scanning with a spare demod. > > > > That would be my idea. But I don't know whether this can be easily > > applied to VDR. > > Well, maybe this works for you? > > --- nit.c 2016/12/23 14:16:59 4.4 > +++ nit.c 2018/03/09 10:53:38 > @@ -218,6 +218,8 @@ >SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptor *sd = > (SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptor *)d; > cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; int Source = > cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); > + if (sd->getFrequency() == 0x) > +continue; >int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = > sd->getFrequency() * 10; static int Bandwidths[] = { 800, > 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; > dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); This is what I'm doing right now (though I'm using break instead of continue). But won't his inhibit the update of modulation parameters of the _current_ channel? -- Patrick. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On 09.03.2018 11:55, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: On 09.03.2018 11:51, Patrick Boettcher wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:30:36 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: On 01.03.2018 10:22, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > >> On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: >> > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 >> > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Patrick, >> >> >> >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the >> >> transponder innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, >> >> please? >> > >> > Hi Klaus, >> > >> > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). >> >> DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= >> terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 >> (0x0b) Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) >> >> @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ >> cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; >> int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); >> int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = >> sd->getFrequency() * 10; >> + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX >> + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", >> sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = >> { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; >> dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int >> Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; > > It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was > mixing things up with the already existing ones. > > As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I > remember it has always been like this since 2005. > > Initial tuning files have always contained all active frequencies > for their region, because the NIT did not set the center frequencies > correctly. > > It might be because the multiplexed transport streams are generated > centrally and then distributed to all the base-stations where they > are emitted as-is but on different frequencies depending on the > region. > > What can we do to get this upstream? I'm afraid I don't see how this case can be handled correctly. Maybe somebody else has an idea? One approach might be to ignore frequencies for DVB-T channels update during NIT parsing (in France only?). From my experiences with DVB-T SetTopBoxes using the NIT for new channel-discovery is rarely done. No customer of my ex-employer was using it - scanning was entirely based on continuous frequency-band scanning with a spare demod. That would be my idea. But I don't know whether this can be easily applied to VDR. Sorry, of course it has to be "break" instead of "continue": --- nit.c 2016/12/23 14:16:59 4.4 +++ nit.c 2018/03/09 10:57:21 @@ -216,6 +216,8 @@ break; case SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptorTag: { SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptor *sd = (SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptor *)d; + if (sd->getFrequency() == 0x) +break; cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = sd->getFrequency() * 10; Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On 09.03.2018 11:51, Patrick Boettcher wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:30:36 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: On 01.03.2018 10:22, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > >> On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: >> > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 >> > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Patrick, >> >> >> >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the >> >> transponder innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, >> >> please? >> > >> > Hi Klaus, >> > >> > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). >> >> DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= >> terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 >> (0x0b) Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) >> >> @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ >>cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; >>int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); >>int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = >> sd->getFrequency() * 10; >> + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX >> + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", >> sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = >> { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; >> dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int >> Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; > > It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was > mixing things up with the already existing ones. > > As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I > remember it has always been like this since 2005. > > Initial tuning files have always contained all active frequencies > for their region, because the NIT did not set the center frequencies > correctly. > > It might be because the multiplexed transport streams are generated > centrally and then distributed to all the base-stations where they > are emitted as-is but on different frequencies depending on the > region. > > What can we do to get this upstream? I'm afraid I don't see how this case can be handled correctly. Maybe somebody else has an idea? One approach might be to ignore frequencies for DVB-T channels update during NIT parsing (in France only?). From my experiences with DVB-T SetTopBoxes using the NIT for new channel-discovery is rarely done. No customer of my ex-employer was using it - scanning was entirely based on continuous frequency-band scanning with a spare demod. That would be my idea. But I don't know whether this can be easily applied to VDR. Well, maybe this works for you? --- nit.c 2016/12/23 14:16:59 4.4 +++ nit.c 2018/03/09 10:53:38 @@ -218,6 +218,8 @@ SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptor *sd = (SI::TerrestrialDeliverySystemDescriptor *)d; cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); + if (sd->getFrequency() == 0x) +continue; int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = sd->getFrequency() * 10; static int Bandwidths[] = { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:30:36 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: > On 01.03.2018 10:22, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 > > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > > >> On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > >> > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 > >> > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hello Patrick, > >> >> > >> >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the > >> >> transponder innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, > >> >> please? > >> > > >> > Hi Klaus, > >> > > >> > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). > >> > >> DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= > >> terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 > >> (0x0b) Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) > >> > >> @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ > >>cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; > >>int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); > >>int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = > >> sd->getFrequency() * 10; > >> + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX > >> + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", > >> sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = > >> { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; > >> dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int > >> Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; > > > > It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was > > mixing things up with the already existing ones. > > > > As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I > > remember it has always been like this since 2005. > > > > Initial tuning files have always contained all active frequencies > > for their region, because the NIT did not set the center frequencies > > correctly. > > > > It might be because the multiplexed transport streams are generated > > centrally and then distributed to all the base-stations where they > > are emitted as-is but on different frequencies depending on the > > region. > > > > What can we do to get this upstream? > > I'm afraid I don't see how this case can be handled correctly. > > Maybe somebody else has an idea? One approach might be to ignore frequencies for DVB-T channels update during NIT parsing (in France only?). From my experiences with DVB-T SetTopBoxes using the NIT for new channel-discovery is rarely done. No customer of my ex-employer was using it - scanning was entirely based on continuous frequency-band scanning with a spare demod. That would be my idea. But I don't know whether this can be easily applied to VDR. -- Patrick. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On 01.03.2018 10:22, Patrick Boettcher wrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > >> Hello Patrick, >> >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder >> innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? > > Hi Klaus, > > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 (0x0b) Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = sd->getFrequency() * 10; + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was mixing things up with the already existing ones. As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I remember it has always been like this since 2005. Initial tuning files have always contained all active frequencies for their region, because the NIT did not set the center frequencies correctly. It might be because the multiplexed transport streams are generated centrally and then distributed to all the base-stations where they are emitted as-is but on different frequencies depending on the region. What can we do to get this upstream? I'm afraid I don't see how this case can be handled correctly. Maybe somebody else has an idea? Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On 01.03.2018 11:39, Patrick Boettcher wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 10:22:10 +0100 Patrick Boettcherwrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 > > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > > >> Hello Patrick, > >> > >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder > >> innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? > > > > Hi Klaus, > > > > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). > > DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= > terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 (0x0b) > Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) > > @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ >cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; >int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); >int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = > sd->getFrequency() * 10; > + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX > + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", > sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = > { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; > dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int > Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was mixing things up with the already existing ones. As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I remember it has always been like this since 2005. Here is the explanation why the frequency field in French DVB-T shall not be used, (cf. CSA-Profil-de-signalisationv3.4.pdf, page 30, terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor): le terrestrial delivery_system_descriptor diffusés dans la NIT correspond au cas général. En effet, la NIT ne décrit pas de façon exhaustive le réseau actuel d’émetteurs, mais l’organisation des services des multiplex diffusés : ainsi les fréquences des multiplex renseignées par le paramètre centre_frequency ont une valeur fixée à 0x. Ces fréquences ne sont pas à prendre en compte It says, grosso modo, that the NIT does not describe the network in an exhaustive manner, but it does for services. Le field centre_frequency contains the value 0x and is not to be taken into consideration. My last message was sent before I received your log. I'll take a further look... Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 10:22:10 +0100 Patrick Boettcherwrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > > On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 > > > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > > > > >> Hello Patrick, > > >> > > >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder > > >> innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? > > > > > > Hi Klaus, > > > > > > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). > > > > DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= > > terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 (0x0b) > > Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) > > > > @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ > >cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; > >int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); > >int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = > > sd->getFrequency() * 10; > > + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX > > + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", > > sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = > > { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; > > dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int > > Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; > > It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was > mixing things up with the already existing ones. > > As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I > remember it has always been like this since 2005. Here is the explanation why the frequency field in French DVB-T shall not be used, (cf. CSA-Profil-de-signalisationv3.4.pdf, page 30, terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor): le terrestrial delivery_system_descriptor diffusés dans la NIT correspond au cas général. En effet, la NIT ne décrit pas de façon exhaustive le réseau actuel d’émetteurs, mais l’organisation des services des multiplex diffusés : ainsi les fréquences des multiplex renseignées par le paramètre centre_frequency ont une valeur fixée à 0x. Ces fréquences ne sont pas à prendre en compte It says, grosso modo, that the NIT does not describe the network in an exhaustive manner, but it does for services. Le field centre_frequency contains the value 0x and is not to be taken into consideration. -- Patrick. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On 01.03.2018 10:22, Patrick Boettcher wrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > >> Hello Patrick, >> >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder >> innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? > > Hi Klaus, > > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 (0x0b) Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = sd->getFrequency() * 10; + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was mixing things up with the already existing ones. As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I remember it has always been like this since 2005. Can you please send me the log line that was generated by the added dsyslog() statement? Initial tuning files have always contained all active frequencies for their region, because the NIT did not set the center frequencies correctly. It might be because the multiplexed transport streams are generated centrally and then distributed to all the base-stations where they are emitted as-is but on different frequencies depending on the region. What can we do to get this upstream? I suggest checking sd->getFrequency() against 0x and if it has that value, use Transponder() * 100 instead. I'd just like to see whether the log really confirms this. Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 10:22:10 +0100 Patrick Boettcherwrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > > On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 > > > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > > > > >> Hello Patrick, > > >> > > >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder > > >> innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? > > > > > > Hi Klaus, > > > > > > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). > > > > DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= > > terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 (0x0b) > > Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) > > > > @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ > >cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; > >int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); > >int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = > > sd->getFrequency() * 10; > > + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX > > + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", > > sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = > > { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; > > dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int > > Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; > > It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was > mixing things up with the already existing ones. I called victory too early: something (channel-updates?) is overwriting the frequencies and modulation-data for all DVB-T-channels. Please see the attached log-file. -- Patrick. Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] Frequency = , Transponder = 482 Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 1 (France 2) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 2 (F3 Paris Ile-de-France) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 10 (franceinfo:) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 91 (France 4) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 92 (France Ã) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 93 (BFM Paris) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] Frequency = , Transponder = 482 Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 8 (BFM TV) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 79 (C8) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 80 (CNEWS) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 81 (CSTAR) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 82 (Gulli) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] Frequency = , Transponder = 482 Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 72 (CANAL+) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 73 (CANAL+ CINEMA) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 74 (CANAL+ SPORT) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 75 (PLANETE+) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 76 (LCI) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 77 (PARIS PREMIERE) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 78 (CANAL+) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] Frequency = , Transponder = 482 Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 3 (France 5) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to 48200:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T Mar 1 11:27:41 vdr vdr: [4099] changing transponder data of channel 87 (M6) from 58600:B8D34G8M64S0T8Y0:T to
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:01:23 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: > On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 > > Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > > >> Hello Patrick, > >> > >> your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder > >> innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? > > > > Hi Klaus, > > > > NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). > > DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= > terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 (0x0b) > Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) > > @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ >cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; >int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); >int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = > sd->getFrequency() * 10; > + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX > + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", > sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = > { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; > dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int > Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; It works. I had to have VDR recreate the channels because it was mixing things up with the already existing ones. As to why the frequency is set to "-10" I don't know (yet), but I remember it has always been like this since 2005. Initial tuning files have always contained all active frequencies for their region, because the NIT did not set the center frequencies correctly. It might be because the multiplexed transport streams are generated centrally and then distributed to all the base-stations where they are emitted as-is but on different frequencies depending on the region. What can we do to get this upstream? Thanks for your help, -- Patrick. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On 27.02.2018 17:58, Patrick Boettcher wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: Hello Patrick, your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? Hi Klaus, NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). Transport_stream_ID: 1 (0x0001) Original_network_ID: 8442 (0x20fa) [= >>ERROR: not (yet) defined... Report!<<] reserved_1: 15 (0x0f) Transport_descriptor_length: 205 (0x00cd) DVB-DescriptorTag: 90 (0x5a) [= terrestrial_delivery_system_descriptor] descriptor_length: 11 (0x0b) Center frequency: 0x (= 42949672.095 kHz) I assume this is the problem: the NIT doesn't contain a proper frequency entry. To avoid problems with NITs that are broadcast on other transponders, VDR checks whether the frequency contained in the NIT is the same as the transponder that is currently broadcast. This check will always fail in your case. For a quick test whether my assumtion is correct, please try the following patch: --- nit.c 2016-12-23 15:16:59.0 +0100 +++ nit.c 2018-02-28 10:58:38.595483737 +0100 @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ #define MAXNETWORKNAME Utf8BufSize(256) // Set to 'true' for debug output: -static bool DebugNit = false; +static bool DebugNit = true;//XXX false; #define dbgnit(a...) if (DebugNit) fprintf(stderr, a) @@ -219,6 +219,8 @@ cDvbTransponderParameters dtp; int Source = cSource::FromData(cSource::stTerr); int Frequency = Frequencies[0] = sd->getFrequency() * 10; + Frequency = Transponder() * 100;//XXX + dsyslog("Frequency = %08X, Transponder = %d", sd->getFrequency(), Transponder());//XXX static int Bandwidths[] = { 800, 700, 600, 500, 0, 0, 0, 0 }; dtp.SetBandwidth(Bandwidths[sd->getBandwidth()]); static int Constellations[] = { QPSK, QAM_16, QAM_64, QAM_AUTO }; Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:54:35 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: > Hello Patrick, > > your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder > innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? Hi Klaus, NIT attached (from another multiplex with the same symptoms). best regards, -- Patrick. nit Description: Binary data ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
Hello Patrick, your scan doesn't contain the NIT, which is where the transponder innformation is broadcast. Can you scan that, too, please? Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
Hi Klaus, thank you for your reply. On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:58:20 +0100 Klaus Schmidingerwrote: > > How should this be fixed correctly? > > > > Is this a regression introduced somewhere? > > > > Can it be solved by configuration? > > where did the channel with ID T-0-506-517 come from in the first > place? I ran dvbv5-scan with -O vdr and it gave me the line. I manually copied it to channels.conf. Upon vdr start I saw that VDR was updating the PIDs. Here's what came out of it: France 2:586000:B8C23G32M64S0T8Y0:T:0:120=27:0; \ 130=fra@122,131=qad@122,132=qaa@122:0;140=fra,142=fra :0:257:0:0:0 (\ and line break added by me) > What happens if you delete that channel from VDR's channel list and > tune to the transponder? Does it create the channel with the correct > ID? Good idea. I deleted the channel and switched to another channel on the same transponder. Nothing happens. VDR does not re-"find" the channel. VDR is set up to "Add New Transponders". Running scan -c (current transponder) gives: 0x 0x0101: pmt_pid 0x006e GR1 B -- France 2 (running) 0x 0x0104: pmt_pid 0x0136 GR1 B -- France 4 (running) 0x 0x0105: pmt_pid 0x01fe GR1 B -- France Ô (running) 0x 0x0106: pmt_pid 0x0262 GR1 B -- franceinfo: (running) 0x 0x0111: pmt_pid 0x00d2 GR1 -- F3 Paris Ile-de-France (running) 0x 0x0170: pmt_pid 0x02c6 R1 TFL -- BFM Paris (running) dumping lists (6 services) France 2 (0x0101) 01: PCR == V V 0x0078 SUB 0x008e France 4 (0x0104) 01: PCR == V V 0x0140 SUB 0x0156 France Ô(0x0105) 01: PCR == V V 0x0208 SUB 0x021c franceinfo (0x0106) 01: PCR == V V 0x026c SUB 0x0280 F3 Paris Ile-de-France (0x0111) 01: PCR == V V 0x00dc A 0x00e6 (fre) 0x00e7 (qad) 0x00e8 (qaa) SUB0x00f2 BFM Paris(0x0170) 01: PCR == V V 0x02d0 (attached is the complete output with -vvv.) Any idea? -- Patrick. pmp@vdr:/var/lib/vdr$ scan -c -vv using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' PAT PMT 0x0262 for service 0x0106 VIDEO : PID 0x026c OTHER : PID 0x0276 TYPE 0x06 SUBTITLING: PID 0x0280 PMT 0x0136 for service 0x0104 VIDEO : PID 0x0140 OTHER : PID 0x014a TYPE 0x06 OTHER : PID 0x014b TYPE 0x06 OTHER : PID 0x014c TYPE 0x06 SUBTITLING: PID 0x0154 SUBTITLING: PID 0x0156 PMT 0x02c6 for service 0x0170 VIDEO : PID 0x02d0 OTHER : PID 0x02da TYPE 0x06 PMT 0x00d2 for service 0x0111 VIDEO : PID 0x00dc AUDIO : PID 0x00e6 AUDIO : PID 0x00e7 SUBTITLING: PID 0x00f0 AUDIO : PID 0x00e8 SUBTITLING: PID 0x00f2 PMT 0x01fe for service 0x0105 VIDEO : PID 0x0208 OTHER : PID 0x0212 TYPE 0x06 OTHER : PID 0x0213 TYPE 0x06 SUBTITLING: PID 0x021c PMT 0x006e for service 0x0101 VIDEO : PID 0x0078 OTHER : PID 0x0082 TYPE 0x06 OTHER : PID 0x0083 TYPE 0x06 OTHER : PID 0x0084 TYPE 0x06 SUBTITLING: PID 0x008c SUBTITLING: PID 0x008e SDT (actual TS) 0x 0x0101: pmt_pid 0x006e GR1 B -- France 2 (running) 0x 0x0104: pmt_pid 0x0136 GR1 B -- France 4 (running) 0x 0x0105: pmt_pid 0x01fe GR1 B -- France à (running) 0x 0x0106: pmt_pid 0x0262 GR1 B -- franceinfo: (running) 0x 0x0111: pmt_pid 0x00d2 GR1 -- F3 Paris Ile-de-France (running) 0x 0x0170: pmt_pid 0x02c6 R1 TFL -- BFM Paris (running) dumping lists (6 services) France 2 (0x0101) 01: PCR == V V 0x0078 SUB 0x008e France 4 (0x0104) 01: PCR == V V 0x0140 SUB 0x0156 France Ã(0x0105) 01: PCR == V V 0x0208 SUB 0x021c franceinfo (0x0106) 01: PCR == V V 0x026c SUB 0x0280 F3 Paris Ile-de-France (0x0111) 01: PCR == V V 0x00dc A 0x00e6 (fre) 0x00e7 (qad) 0x00e8 (qaa) SUB 0x00f2 BFM Paris(0x0170) 01: PCR == V V 0x02d0 Done. pmp@vdr:/var/lib/vdr$ scan -c -vvv using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' parse_section:1574: pid 0x00 tid 0x00 table_id_ext 0x0001, 0/0 (version 4) PAT parse_section:1574: pid 0x262 tid 0x02 table_id_ext 0x0106, 0/0 (version 1) PMT 0x0262 for service 0x0106 VIDEO : PID 0x026c OTHER : PID 0x0276 TYPE 0x06 SUBTITLING: PID 0x0280 parse_pmt:1235: 0x 0x0106: (null) -- (null), pmt_pid 0x0262, vpid 0x026c, apid 0x () parse_section:1574: pid 0x136 tid 0x02 table_id_ext 0x0104, 0/0 (version 0) PMT 0x0136 for service 0x0104 VIDEO : PID 0x0140 OTHER : PID 0x014a TYPE 0x06 OTHER : PID 0x014b TYPE 0x06 OTHER : PID 0x014c TYPE 0x06 SUBTITLING: PID 0x0154 SUBTITLING: PID 0x0156 parse_pmt:1235: 0x 0x0104: (null) -- (null), pmt_pid 0x0136, vpid 0x0140, apid 0x () parse_section:1574: pid 0x2c6 tid 0x02 table_id_ext 0x0170, 0/0 (version 1) PMT 0x02c6 for service 0x0170 VIDEO : PID 0x02d0 OTHER : PID 0x02da TYPE 0x06 parse_pmt:1235: 0x 0x0170: (null) -- (null), pmt_pid 0x02c6, vpid 0x02d0, apid 0x ()
Re: [vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
On 25.02.2018 15:26, Patrick Boettcher wrote: Hi list, since some time (1-2 years) I noticed that the DVB-T channels do not show EPG anymore. I'm not sure what is the root-cause: either it was the migration of French DVB-T to HD (in 2016) or an update of VDR. Anyway, this morning I took the time to figure out what is wrong and here is what I found. In short, the channel-ID generated from the one received in the EIT does not correspond to a known channel-ID from the channel list, and VDR drops the whole section: In cEIT::cEIT (from eit.c) we see tChannelID channelID(Source, getOriginalNetworkId(), getTransportStreamId(), getServiceId()); cChannel *Channel = Channels->GetByChannelID(channelID, true); and channel is NULL in my case. I added some debug prints to GetByChannelID() in the search loop: printf("sid: %d == %d, %s, %s %d\n", Channel->Sid(), sid, (const char *)ChannelID.ToString(), (const char *)Channel->GetChannelID().ToString(), Channel->GetChannelID() == ChannelID); And here is an example of what I get: sid: 517 == 517, T-8442-2-517, T-0-506-517 0 The internal channel ID of vdr reads T-0-506-517. 517 is the SID, 506 is the radio-channel frequency in MHz. This is the right internal channel for this EIT-section. The EIT-channel-ID is telling me that 8442 is the original network ID and 2 might be the radio-channel ID. I tweaked the operator==() of ChannelID to make it work, but not in a contributable manner. How should this be fixed correctly? Is this a regression introduced somewhere? Can it be solved by configuration? Hello Patrick, where did the channel with ID T-0-506-517 come from in the first place? What happens if you delete that channel from VDR's channel list and tune to the transponder? Does it create the channel with the correct ID? Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] French DVB-T Channel IDs vs. EIT Channel IDs
Hi list, since some time (1-2 years) I noticed that the DVB-T channels do not show EPG anymore. I'm not sure what is the root-cause: either it was the migration of French DVB-T to HD (in 2016) or an update of VDR. Anyway, this morning I took the time to figure out what is wrong and here is what I found. In short, the channel-ID generated from the one received in the EIT does not correspond to a known channel-ID from the channel list, and VDR drops the whole section: In cEIT::cEIT (from eit.c) we see tChannelID channelID(Source, getOriginalNetworkId(), getTransportStreamId(), getServiceId()); cChannel *Channel = Channels->GetByChannelID(channelID, true); and channel is NULL in my case. I added some debug prints to GetByChannelID() in the search loop: printf("sid: %d == %d, %s, %s %d\n", Channel->Sid(), sid, (const char *)ChannelID.ToString(), (const char *)Channel->GetChannelID().ToString(), Channel->GetChannelID() == ChannelID); And here is an example of what I get: sid: 517 == 517, T-8442-2-517, T-0-506-517 0 The internal channel ID of vdr reads T-0-506-517. 517 is the SID, 506 is the radio-channel frequency in MHz. This is the right internal channel for this EIT-section. The EIT-channel-ID is telling me that 8442 is the original network ID and 2 might be the radio-channel ID. I tweaked the operator==() of ChannelID to make it work, but not in a contributable manner. How should this be fixed correctly? Is this a regression introduced somewhere? Can it be solved by configuration? Thanks for any help. best regards, -- Patrick. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr