Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
Ondrej Wisniewski wrote: This board mounts a CX700M2 chipset which features MPEG2/4 hardware decoding. It has DVI and Y/Pb/Pr video output as well as analog and SPDIF audio (coaxial and optical). So that's everything we need, isn't it. Well, looks like the people who pointed out that this chip doesn't decode h.264 are right. Neither could I find any other decoder chip on the VIA web pages that would do that. So this is actually a no go for the EPIA boards for decoding HD-TV video. That means I was wrong and we really *don't* have the needed hardware *today*, not to mention Linux support. Remains to be seen if VIA (or some other manufacturer) comes up with a small, low power consumption MB with h.264 hw decoding or if we see a FF DVB-S2 card before that. In the meantime there is no hurry, I'm happy with the current VDR :-) Ondrej ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
Ondrej Wisniewski wrote: Remains to be seen if VIA (or some other manufacturer) comes up with a small, low power consumption MB with h.264 hw decoding or if we see a FF DVB-S2 card before that. In the meantime there is no hurry, I'm happy with the current VDR :-) Intel should be doing that this year with their to be released G45 chipset with X4500HD integrated graphics and since Intel has been quite nice with their attitude towards Linux and open source, it could even be possible to have a h.264 decoding motherboard by the end of this year. -Petri ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
for hdtv - no. I don't see the h.264 hardware decoding. mpeg4 is not h.264. Igor What is H.264? H.264 is the next-generation video compression technology in the MPEG-4 standard, also known as MPEG-4 Part 10. H.264 can match the best possible MPEG-2 quality at up to half the data rate. H.264 also delivers excellent video quality across the entire bandwidth spectrum from 3G to HD and everything in between (from 40 Kbps to upwards of 10 Mbps). Lucian Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
On Wednesday 06 Feb 2008, Ondrej Wisniewski wrote: With VDR getting ready for HD-TV it seems that today the MPEG4 decoding can only be done on a high end processor or an external decoder card. Many people are still waiting for a FF DVB-S2 card but it doesn't look very promising at the moment. So I was wondering if it would be possible to use the on board video decoder chips of the VIA EPIA boards like the VIA EPIA EX15000G http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboa rd_id=450 This board mounts a CX700M2 chipset which features MPEG2/4 hardware decoding. It has DVI and Y/Pb/Pr video output as well as analog and SPDIF audio (coaxial and optical). So that's everything we need, isn't it. I know, currently the OpenChrome video driver doesn't support MPEG2/4 video decoding for the CX700M2 and there are probably other things missing from the software support side. But from what I see, this or a similar motherboard in combination with a budget DVB-S2 card have all the hardware features that are needed to have HD-TV. So we actually have the proper hardware platform *today* for a quite a low budget. So if all the efforts go into driver and application development for such a platform, there is no need to wait for FF DVB-S2 cards. Or am I missing something here? I think the main problem here is Via not wanting to release information on their chipset to allow MPEG4 support to be built into OpenChrome or similar. MEPG2 decoding works (at least on the older Via chipsets...) but I think this was mostly reverse-engineered! I don't think MPEG4 decoding will be supported in this way for a very long time, unless Via have changed their attitudes. (Not really bothered looking into this because HD is years off in the UK where I am, unless you fork out lots to Sky!) It is a shame to have such hardware and not be able to use it!! Cheers, Laz ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
With VDR getting ready for HD-TV it seems that today the MPEG4 decoding can only be done on a high end processor or an external decoder card. Many people are still waiting for a FF DVB-S2 card but it doesn't look very promising at the moment. So I was wondering if it would be possible to use the on board video decoder chips of the VIA EPIA boards like the VIA EPIA EX15000G http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=450 This board mounts a CX700M2 chipset which features MPEG2/4 hardware decoding. It has DVI and Y/Pb/Pr video output as well as analog and SPDIF audio (coaxial and optical). So that's everything we need, isn't it. I know, currently the OpenChrome video driver doesn't support MPEG2/4 video decoding for the CX700M2 and there are probably other things missing from the software support side. But from what I see, this or a similar motherboard in combination with a budget DVB-S2 card have all the hardware features that are needed to have HD-TV. So we actually have the proper hardware platform *today* for a quite a low budget. So if all the efforts go into driver and application development for such a platform, there is no need to wait for FF DVB-S2 cards. Or am I missing something here? -- Ondrej ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
Le mercredi 06 février 2008 à 09:58 +, Laz a écrit : I don't think MPEG4 decoding will be supported in this way for a very long time, unless Via have changed their attitudes. (Not really bothered looking into this because HD is years off in the UK where I am, unless you fork out lots to Sky!) I'm not so sure. I don't think it will be years - maybe one and a half. My question is is HD worth all the fuss - most run of the mill folk on the street can't see the difference between DVD quality digital and HD. Especially in high speed action scenes on current sized screens. And who really wants to look at black spots on actresses noses in all that gory detail? Or fat on their backsides for that matter. HD needs to be shown at sizes where the extra pixels are worth our while I don't have 3000€ to put into a screen. Cheers Tony -- ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
On Feb 6, 2008 9:58 AM, Laz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think MPEG4 decoding will be supported in this way for a very long time, unless Via have changed their attitudes. (Not really bothered looking into this because HD is years off in the UK where I am, unless you fork out lots to Sky!) Apologies for going slightly off topic, but errrm, no it isn't. Three of the four main broadcasters in the UK will be offering HD services this spring, for free, on the FreeSat platform. Currently you can get an excellent service from BBC HD for free and Channel 4 HD you can watch for the one off cost (£15) of a viewing card. C4 HD will also be going FTA in a month or two. I can currently watch and record both channels on my VDR box which is fantastic (check out Paul Mcartney at the Electric Proms in HD and DD5.1!) Apparently ITV HD will start FTA in March / April. Additionally, Luxe HD is also FTA on Astra 2. So, currently 4 HD channels that you can receive in the UK without forking out lots to Sky. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
On Wednesday, 6. Februaryta 2008 13:40:36 Tony Grant wrote: HD needs to be shown at sizes where the extra pixels are worth our while I don't have 3000€ to put into a screen. But some of us do! ;-) -- JJussi ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
I demand that Ondrej Wisniewski may or may not have written... With VDR getting ready for HD-TV it seems that today the MPEG4 decoding can only be done on a high end processor or an external decoder card. MPEG-4 (or, more specifically, H.264) != HDTV. Sooner or later, it'll be used for 576p or 576i, if it's not being used for that already somewhere. [snip] -- | Darren Salt| linux or ds at | nr. Ashington, | Toon | RISC OS, Linux | youmustbejoking,demon,co,uk | Northumberland | Army | + Burn less waste. Use less packaging. Waste less. USE FEWER RESOURCES. Do not be overly suspicious where it is not warranted. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
Le mercredi 06 février 2008 à 17:29 +0200, JJussi a écrit : HD needs to be shown at sizes where the extra pixels are worth our while I don't have 3000€ to put into a screen. But some of us do! ;-) I would probably spend a lot more time - enough to justify the cost - in front of TV if I lived in the far north. But I don't. There is a cost/quality threshold in entertainement and HD is on the wrong side right now (Image quality AND content quality). DVB-S and/or DVD are plenty enough for us. And where I live going to the movies is cheap (the whole family of four for less than 20€) and we meet other people there too! And the cinema is about 250 meters from home... For me HD is one of the least exciting technological progresses ever. Digital video is good enough for most needs. I wish more money was spent producing quality content - that is the weakest link right now. What was really exciting was finding VDR and being able to watch/record/time shift UK TV from France with great enough image and sound quality - much much better than the analogical satellite we had before. Cheers Tony -- ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
Darren Salt a écrit : MPEG-4 (or, more specifically, H.264) != HDTV. Sooner or later, it'll be used for 576p or 576i, if it's not being used for that already somewhere. You are right. In France, pay-TV channels (SD) on DVB-T are encoded in MPEG-4 since 2005. Jean-Claude ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
Darren Salt wrote: I demand that Ondrej Wisniewski may or may not have written... With VDR getting ready for HD-TV it seems that today the MPEG4 decoding can only be done on a high end processor or an external decoder card. MPEG-4 (or, more specifically, H.264) != HDTV. Sooner or later, it'll be used for 576p or 576i, if it's not being used for that already somewhere. According to wikipedia, it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H264#Applications -- Anssi Hannula ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] HD-TV hardware decoding on motherboard instead of waiting for FF DVB-S2 card
Ondrej Wisniewski a écrit : With VDR getting ready for HD-TV it seems that today the MPEG4 decoding can only be done on a high end processor or an external decoder card. Many people are still waiting for a FF DVB-S2 card but it doesn't look very promising at the moment. So I was wondering if it would be possible to use the on board video decoder chips of the VIA EPIA boards like the VIA EPIA EX15000G http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=450 This board mounts a CX700M2 chipset which features MPEG2/4 hardware decoding. It has DVI and Y/Pb/Pr video output as well as analog and SPDIF audio (coaxial and optical). So that's everything we need, isn't it. I know, currently the OpenChrome video driver doesn't support MPEG2/4 video decoding for the CX700M2 and there are probably other things missing from the software support side. But from what I see, this or a similar motherboard in combination with a budget DVB-S2 card have all the hardware features that are needed to have HD-TV. So we actually have the proper hardware platform *today* for a quite a low budget. So if all the efforts go into driver and application development for such a platform, there is no need to wait for FF DVB-S2 cards. Or am I missing something here? I'd also like to read some answers to that specific question. Is the EPIA EX the kind of hardware that could some day properly render 1920x1080 broadcasts ? -- NH ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
