Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-12-15 Thread Pertti Kosunen
Gerald Dachs wrote:
 What makes you so sure that the 8200 chipset is not supported?

It is VDPAU supported, but AFAIK can't decode VC-1.

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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-12-14 Thread Jan Willies
Goga777 schrieb:
 new nice benchmarks from Phoronix
 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=nvidia_vdpau_gpunum=1
 HD Video Playback With A $20 CPU  $30 GPU On Linux

As far as I can see there is no (cheap) PCI/AGP-Version of a 
VDPAU-enabled nvidia chip available :/

I guess it needs to be a cheap IGP then, like the GeForce 8200 or 8300.


- jan

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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-12-14 Thread Halim Sahin
Hi,
There are some mainboard chips available.
i think we can build vdr's based on a onboard nvidia chip with vdpau.
BR.
halim


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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-12-14 Thread Andrew Herron
Hi,

This ASUS board would be suitable;

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1model=2579l1=3l2=11l3=812l4=0

Andrew

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Halim Sahin halim.sa...@t-online.dewrote:

 Hi,
 There are some mainboard chips available.
 i think we can build vdr's based on a onboard nvidia chip with vdpau.
 BR.
 halim


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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-11-25 Thread Niels Wagenaar
Op Di, 25 november, 2008 03:59, schreef VDR User:
 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Nicolas Huillard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 It's still good news to know that open-source software allowing current
 fanless integrated motherboards to decode HDTV at ~10% CPU is on its
 way...

 Going from 87% of 2 cores, to ~10% of an entry level CPU is good,
 specially when the load is taken care of by existing chips.


I agree on that point. I would rather have ~10% or ~20% then the regular
57% per core on my Core 2 Quad system when I view H264 channels of my
provider.

 Yes, I agree.  Just pointing out that you certainly do not need a quad
 core, that's all.  Also, the price of the cpu is the same whether
 you're using 87% or 10% of it. ;)  The point is you can already have
 cheap HDTV without using the new Nvidia api.


Well, in my case I do. When I view BBCHD, ArteHD, AnixeHD or the AstraHD
channels I don't encounter many problems. Image is clear and no stutter.
But as soon as I watch the 1080i/H264 channels of my provider (Canal
Digitaal) on Astra 23.5e, I have major stuttering. BravaTV in HD doesn't
have much problems, but NGC HD and Discovery HD is an other matter. My
Core 2 Duo just couldn't handle it with FFMPeg and Xine-lib 1.2. But since
I've put in a Core 2 Quad, I'm able to watch those channels even with fast
moving images :)

 I'd like to have full-HDTV on a single x86 mini-ITX board. I'm now
 seeing this will happen soon enough, and I'll wait until then before I
 spend money on new hardware.

 Yes it's nice!  My goal is diskless, fanless, low power consumption
 dedicated HDTV box.  Very small, very low cost!


I again agree :) I would like an additional HDTV box in my bedroom. It
needs to have the options you wrote. But I don't want a Popcorn or some
other kind of device. I want the option to enhance it myself (flexability)
so I'm waiting desperately for GPU based decoding of H264 and VC-1
transport streams :)

Niels Wagenaar



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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-11-25 Thread Theunis Potgieter
On 24/11/2008, Petri Helin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Nicolas Huillard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  It seems that things are really moving, and VDR-HD may finally work with
  cheap hardware by the time HD material is commonplace.
 


 Well, in that case it is a good time for broadcasters to implement
 copy protection, chipset pairing in CAM etc...


 -Petri


If that is the case, how will have to proceed?
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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-11-25 Thread HighlyCaffeinated
I'm new to using git to obtain sources, and can't seem to get the vdpau sources 
into my
local ffmpeg git tree. In /usr/local/src/VDPAU i've pulled the ffmpeg
sources creating a ffmpeg-git directory with the usual ffmpeg data in
it. I then try to pull the vdpau sources with  git clone --reference
/usr/local/src/VDPAU/ffmpeg-git
git://repo.or.cz/FFMpeg-mirror/ffmpeg-vdpau.git. This creates a
ffmpeg-vdpau directory with nothing but .git in it; no sources. Anyone
with more experince in this have any pointers on what I am doing wrong? 
I'm in the US running vdr 1.6.0-2 on an AMD x2 4600+ using ffmpeg
and xine and have no problems with HD MPEG2 and H264 up to 1080i (some
occasional stuttering), but the 1080p channels fail miserably. While
waiting patiently for xine to support VDPAU, I'd like to get the driver
and ffmpeg working with Mplayer to try things out.

Thanks
Todd



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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-11-24 Thread VDR User
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Nicolas Huillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems that things are really moving, and VDR-HD may finally work with
 cheap hardware by the time HD material is commonplace.

You must live under a rock if HD content isn't already common where
you live/from your provider!  Here is NA there's tons of HD channels,
with many more coming soon.

Also, building a HD-capable pc is already cheap.  You don't need some
expensive cpu with GB's of ram and so on.  My test box (which uses the
on-board gpu) does HD and was only cpu-$40 + ram-$25 + mainboard-$65.
cpu is amd x2 4400, corsair 2x1GB stick ram kit, mainboard is msi
k9n6sgm-v.  $130 USD and I had a new dvb test box that does HDTV.

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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-11-24 Thread VDR User
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Niels Wagenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Only, in the US most of the HDTV transports don't use H264. At least, I
 heard from several people that it's HDTV through MPEG2. Over here (Europe)
 it's mostly HDTV through H264 (only a very small number of MPEG2 HDTV
 channels over here).

You've been given bad information.  There are _some_ HDTV channels
broadcast in mpeg2 but most are h264.

 Currently I need to use a Core 2 Quad (Q6600 @ 2.40GHz) to get decent and
 stutter-free H264 decoding using software (FFMpeg SVN, Xine-lib 1.2,
 Xine-UI and vdr-xine plugin). With my Core 2 Duo (E7300 @ 2.53Ghz) I
 didn't had enough juice (stuttering, framedrops, etc).

You absolutely do not need a quad-core CPU and your Core 2 Duo should
easily handle h264 decoding.  I'd say something was misconfigured or
so.

Btw, I use CoreAVC here and the cpu usage doesn't go above about 87%
on that x2 4400.  The h264 implimentation in ffmpeg was very unstable
when I tried it although I heard it's gotten much better.

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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-11-24 Thread Artem Makhutov
Hi,

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 08:43:14AM -0800, VDR User wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Niels Wagenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Only, in the US most of the HDTV transports don't use H264. At least, I
  heard from several people that it's HDTV through MPEG2. Over here (Europe)
  it's mostly HDTV through H264 (only a very small number of MPEG2 HDTV
  channels over here).
 
 You've been given bad information.  There are _some_ HDTV channels
 broadcast in mpeg2 but most are h264.
 
  Currently I need to use a Core 2 Quad (Q6600 @ 2.40GHz) to get decent and
  stutter-free H264 decoding using software (FFMpeg SVN, Xine-lib 1.2,
  Xine-UI and vdr-xine plugin). With my Core 2 Duo (E7300 @ 2.53Ghz) I
  didn't had enough juice (stuttering, framedrops, etc).
 
 You absolutely do not need a quad-core CPU and your Core 2 Duo should
 easily handle h264 decoding.  I'd say something was misconfigured or
 so.
 
 Btw, I use CoreAVC here and the cpu usage doesn't go above about 87%
 on that x2 4400.  The h264 implimentation in ffmpeg was very unstable
 when I tried it although I heard it's gotten much better.

And what resolution?

720p ?

I have no problems in decoding 720p, but 1080i is a bit more difficult to 
decode.
I have also tried out CoreAVC, but ffmpeg worked better for me.

Regards, Artem

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[vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-11-15 Thread lucian orasanu
Hy all

  Man this is awesome , nice mouve from Nvidia guys, and wen I think about I 
give aweay for free my GF8500 and switcht to ati! now i have to buy a new one 
or wait ati to mouve?


  

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Re: [vdr] New Video Decode and Presentation API from NVidia

2008-11-14 Thread Alex Betis
Good news!

Competition with Intel benefits us all :)

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Goga777 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FROM XORG lIST


 I'm pleased to announce a new video API for Unix and Unix-like platforms,
 and a technology preview implementation of this API from NVIDIA.

 The API is called VDPAU (Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix).

 The current API documentation is here:

 ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/doxygen/html/index.html

 Some highlights of VDPAU:

 * Defines an API for GPU-accelerated decode of MPEG-1, MPEG-2, H.264,
 and
   VC-1 bitstreams.
 * Defines an API for post-processing of decoded video, including
   temporal and spatial deinterlacing, inverse telecine, and noise
   reduction.
 * Defines an API for timestamp-based presentation of final video
   frames.
 * Defines an API for compositing sub-picture, on-screen display,
   and other UI elements.

 Note that VDPAU does not address content protection.

 Some highlights/limitations of NVIDIA's current implementation:

 * Supported on NVIDIA GPUs with the NVIDIA second generation video
   processors (see the end of this announcement for a complete GPU
 list).
 * Currently, only one video stream can be decoded at a time; we hope
   to lift this restriction eventually.
 * Available in the 180.06 NVIDIA public beta release:
 http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.06.html
 http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_180.06.html
 http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_180.06.html
 http://www.nvidia.com/object/solaris_display_180.06.html

 The VDPAU support in the NVIDIA 180.06 beta release is still very
 preliminary.  We are aware of cases of visual corruption and in some
 cases GPU hangs.  We will be working on these issues over the next
 several NVIDIA driver releases.

 While NVIDIA's VDPAU implementation is not ready for end user use yet,
 it should be far enough along that interested application developers
 can begin working with it.

 Additionally, NVIDIA has developed patches to ffmpeg and MPlayer to
 demonstrate a video player using VDPAU:

 ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/mplayer-vdpau-3076399.tar.bz2

 These patches include changes against libavcodec, libavutil, ffmpeg,
 and MPlayer itself; they may serve as an example of how to use VDPAU.

 Once we do some further testing, bugfixing, and cleanup, we will
 contribute the MPlayer patches to the MPlayer developers.


 If other hardware vendors are interested, they are welcome to also
 provide implementations of VDPAU.  The VDPAU API was designed to allow
 a vendor backend to be selected at run time.


 Thanks,
 Andy Ritger
 Manager, NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver



 VDPAU is currently supported on the following NVIDIA GPUs:

 Desktop GPUs:
  GeForce 200 Series
  GeForce 9 Series
  GeForce 86xx Series
  GeForce 85xx Series
  GeForce 84xx Series
  GeForce 8800 GTS 512
  GeForce 8800 GT
  GeForce 8800 GS

 Mobile GPUs:
  GeForce 98xxM
  GeForce 9700M
  GeForce 96xxM
  GeForce 9500M
  GeForce 9300M
  GeForce 9200M
  GeForce 8800M
  GeForce 8800M GTS
  GeForce 8800M GTX
  GeForce 8600M

 Motherboard GPUs:
  GeForce 9400
  GeForce 9300
  GeForce 9100
  GeForce 8300
  GeForce 8200

 VC-1 support in NVIDIA's VDPAU implementation currently requires GeForce
 9300 GS, GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9300M GS, or GeForce 9300M GS.

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