Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-03 Thread fnu
> Out of curiosity, whats the ballpark average bitrate of your non-sports 1080p > content? Following the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) guidelines there's no 1080p broadcast in Europe and will most propably not happen. The HD formats in Europe are 1280x720p50, 1440x1080i25 and 1920x1080i25.

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-03 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 03.01.2017 07:20, VDR User wrote: ... For those using device bonding, per Klaus's latest post it will live to see another day in the VDR core. I did, I think (my translator is horrible), see someone asking @ vdr-portal if it could be put into a plugin. If so, does that make sense for this

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-02 Thread VDR User
Andreas/fnu: I didn't realize it varied that much from NA/SA/JP vs. EU but I guess so! Out of curiosity, whats the ballpark average bitrate of your non-sports 1080p content? For those using device bonding, per Klaus's latest post it will live to see another day in the VDR core. I did, I think (my

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-02 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
I don't mean to disturb the technical aspect of this discussion, but just wanted to let everybody know that since there still *are* users who need this feature, it's not going to be removed. Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-02 Thread fnu
Derek, you're right it's maybe possible to stack channels somewhat, but not on the user end of the "one cable". It must be "stacked" on the other end of the "one cable" and splitted again on the user side of that cable. And here's the problem, there are VDR users out there they cannot change

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-02 Thread Andreas Regel
Hi Derek, Am 02.01.2017 um 17:43 schrieb VDR User: > Andreas: > As I said, no "magic" or "luck" is needed. Apparently you've never > heard of bandstacking. In the case of DVB-S, it's where one side is > carried in 950-1450Mhz and the other is carried in 1650-2150Mhz - full > circular lnb on

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-02 Thread VDR User
Andreas: As I said, no "magic" or "luck" is needed. Apparently you've never heard of bandstacking. In the case of DVB-S, it's where one side is carried in 950-1450Mhz and the other is carried in 1650-2150Mhz - full circular lnb on ..one..single..cable,..no..magic. Bandstacking doesn't use voltage

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-02 Thread fnu
> Are you saying people are not allowed to put a switch at the point where the > cable plugins into their dvb device? It would be no different that putting an > ethernet switch on your ethernet line. You don't need to alter anything aside > of instead of the cable going into your dvb card, it

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-02 Thread Andreas Regel
Hi Derek, Am 02.01.2017 um 01:46 schrieb VDR User: >> I would like to know which magic switch behind a single cable receiving only >> one polarization/band allows feeding multiple tuners with independent >> signals. ;-) > > There is no "magic", you probably should read up on switches I guess.

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread VDR User
> I would like to know which magic switch behind a single cable receiving only > one polarization/band allows feeding multiple tuners with independent > signals. ;-) There is no "magic", you probably should read up on switches I guess. ___ vdr

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread VDR User
> pretty simple, there are users who cannot change their SAT infrastructure > easily. The reasons are varied, e.g. they are tenants and not allowed to > change it by the owners, they own it and cannot change it due to the rules of > commonhold association or the own it and the construction of

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread Markus Meier
things about vdr.   All the best,   Michael   Gesendet: Sonntag, 01. Januar 2017 um 19:06 Uhr Von: "Andreas Regel" <andreas.re...@gmx.de> An: vdr@linuxtv.org Betreff: Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)? Am 01.01

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread Andreas Regel
Am 01.01.2017 um 18:36 schrieb VDR User: >> they do in vdr-portal.de ... as I already do remember a bunch of users still >> using that function and the reasons why, so no what-if-scenarios. > > Not sure why you didn't mention that earlier but aside of that it > still doesn't answer this part:

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread fnu
Derek, pretty simple, there are users who cannot change their SAT infrastructure easily. The reasons are varied, e.g. they are tenants and not allowed to change it by the owners, they own it and cannot change it due to the rules of commonhold association or the own it and the construction of

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread VDR User
> they do in vdr-portal.de ... as I already do remember a bunch of users still > using that function and the reasons why, so no what-if-scenarios. Not sure why you didn't mention that earlier but aside of that it still doesn't answer this part: "I'd like to know why they don't just use a switch.

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread fnu
Derek, they do in vdr-portal.de ... as I already do remember a bunch of users still using that function and the reasons why, so no what-if-scenarios. fnu ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org https://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread VDR User
There's no point in worrying about what-if scenarios, actual real world usage is what matters. Klaus is giving those who use device bonding the chance to speak up now. If there's very little-to-no interest in it, it's gone. Unless I've misunderstood the intention here. If there rally is someone

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread fnu
> So I take it you yourself are *not* using this feature, right? Not active anymore, but in the past for many years, just up to a couple of years ago for my development machine. Getting rid of that feature may also causing the comeback of any sort of patch, maybe causing other issue, nobody

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 01.01.2017 13:57, fnu wrote: Hi Klaus, well, you're right it's a hack, but IMHO not really an ugly one. A similar function is up today part of some premium products from Loewe or Metz, bonding two DVB-S/S2 tuners. Originally it was limited to two devices, what really can make sense. I

Re: [vdr] [POLL] Is anybody actually using "device bonding" (aka "LNB sharing)?

2017-01-01 Thread fnu
Hi Klaus, well, you're right it's a hack, but IMHO not really an ugly one. A similar function is up today part of some premium products from Loewe or Metz, bonding two DVB-S/S2 tuners. Originally it was limited to two devices, what really can make sense. I have never seen any reason to make