Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-03-11 Thread Damien Bally
Did you try MLD ? It enables to launch Kodi from the vdr interface. It's 
fully working and I'm quite satisfied with it.


Le 06/03/2016 11:48, Nicolas Huillard a écrit :

Le mercredi 10 février 2016 à 16:19 -0800, VDR User a écrit :

Gerald,

You freak out because I suggested an easier solution to yours, and
then call me a troll for correcting you on your own nonsense. I hope
you don't think you're fooling anyone with that fake b.s. Take your
temper tantrums somewhere else, or get lost.

==

Nicolas,

Sorry your thread got polluted with this garbage. Gerald has a history
of lashing out at people who disagree with him or have any criticism
about yavdr. It's pathetic but hopefully in all the nonsense you've
found a solution that suits you.


Wow... I didn't follow that thread, because of lack of time. I'm sorry
it went that way.
I have noted down a bunch of things to try though, and I'll hopefully
keep you informed when I'm done...



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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-03-06 Thread Nicolas Huillard
Le mercredi 10 février 2016 à 16:19 -0800, VDR User a écrit :
> Gerald,
> 
> You freak out because I suggested an easier solution to yours, and
> then call me a troll for correcting you on your own nonsense. I hope
> you don't think you're fooling anyone with that fake b.s. Take your
> temper tantrums somewhere else, or get lost.
> 
> ==
> 
> Nicolas,
> 
> Sorry your thread got polluted with this garbage. Gerald has a history
> of lashing out at people who disagree with him or have any criticism
> about yavdr. It's pathetic but hopefully in all the nonsense you've
> found a solution that suits you.

Wow... I didn't follow that thread, because of lack of time. I'm sorry
it went that way.
I have noted down a bunch of things to try though, and I'll hopefully
keep you informed when I'm done...

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-10 Thread VDR User
> No, absolutely not. The setup of OpenELEC is much less complicated and
> dependencies are no problem.
> The vdr-addon and the vnsi-addon gets installed by some clicks on the remote
> and a first channel scan
> needs only some clicks more.

It's always no problem until something breaks..

> The raspberry pi has superior HDMI-CEC support that is used automatically by
> Kodi, so in most cases
> there is even no need for an IR receiver and an extra remote. The remote of
> the TV is just enough. That
> simplifies the setup even more.

He's not asking about HDMI-CEC so this is irrelevant. Additionally,
HDMI-CEC support can be very limited on the device end so just because
a device technically supports it, that doesn't automatically mean you
can do what you want using HDMI-CEC. And plenty of people like me
already use multi-device remotes so we don't have to bother with
configuring HDMI-CEC at all.

> The topic is about playing .mkv. That is just a container. What about the
> used codecs? In the upcoming OpenELEC
> 0.7 there will even be support of H265 on the RPi. The Kodi GUI has no
> problems with playing 3D content.
> Is this working with your solution too?

I use the vdr-mplayer plugin with mpv-player (rather than mplayer).
Yes, it works great. I've already played plenty of h265 content. I
don't have a 3D capable card or tv but that works fine too. Very
simple, very lightweight. Adding Kodi is adding a whole other layer of
software and it's completely unnecessary. He's asking for something
very simple, the solution should also be the same. There's no point in
bloating his system and adding a whole other layer of software on top
of VDR that he never asked for in the first place. You don't have to
defend Kodi, I'm not trashing it. Kodi is nice when it's not broken.
I'm only stating the obvious, that Kodi is absolutely unnecessary to
give the OP what he's asking for. There is no denying this. And, he
can decide if he wants to bother adding Kodi to his setup just to play
mkvs, or if something less extreme makes more sense.

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-10 Thread Gerald Dachs
Am 10.02.2016 um 16:58 schrieb VDR User:
>> No, absolutely not. The setup of OpenELEC is much less complicated and
>> dependencies are no problem.
>> The vdr-addon and the vnsi-addon gets installed by some clicks on the remote
>> and a first channel scan
>> needs only some clicks more.
> It's always no problem until something breaks..
>
>> The raspberry pi has superior HDMI-CEC support that is used automatically by
>> Kodi, so in most cases
>> there is even no need for an IR receiver and an extra remote. The remote of
>> the TV is just enough. That
>> simplifies the setup even more.
> He's not asking about HDMI-CEC so this is irrelevant. Additionally,
> HDMI-CEC support can be very limited on the device end so just because
> a device technically supports it, that doesn't automatically mean you
> can do what you want using HDMI-CEC. And plenty of people like me
> already use multi-device remotes so we don't have to bother with
> configuring HDMI-CEC at all.
>
>> The topic is about playing .mkv. That is just a container. What about the
>> used codecs? In the upcoming OpenELEC
>> 0.7 there will even be support of H265 on the RPi. The Kodi GUI has no
>> problems with playing 3D content.
>> Is this working with your solution too?
> I use the vdr-mplayer plugin with mpv-player (rather than mplayer).
> Yes, it works great. I've already played plenty of h265 content. I
> don't have a 3D capable card or tv but that works fine too. Very
> simple, very lightweight. Adding Kodi is adding a whole other layer of
> software and it's completely unnecessary. He's asking for something
> very simple, the solution should also be the same. There's no point in
> bloating his system and adding a whole other layer of software on top
> of VDR that he never asked for in the first place. You don't have to
> defend Kodi, I'm not trashing it. Kodi is nice when it's not broken.
> I'm only stating the obvious, that Kodi is absolutely unnecessary to
> give the OP what he's asking for. There is no denying this. And, he
> can decide if he wants to bother adding Kodi to his setup just to play
> mkvs, or if something less extreme makes more sense.
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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-10 Thread Gerald Dachs
Sorry for the empty answer before.

Am 10.02.2016 um 16:58 schrieb VDR User:
>> No, absolutely not. The setup of OpenELEC is much less complicated and
>> dependencies are no problem.
>> The vdr-addon and the vnsi-addon gets installed by some clicks on the remote
>> and a first channel scan
>> needs only some clicks more.
> It's always no problem until something breaks..
That is irrelevant, because that can happen with your solution too
>> The raspberry pi has superior HDMI-CEC support that is used automatically by
>> Kodi, so in most cases
>> there is even no need for an IR receiver and an extra remote. The remote of
>> the TV is just enough. That
>> simplifies the setup even more.
> He's not asking about HDMI-CEC so this is irrelevant. Additionally,
> HDMI-CEC support can be very limited on the device end so just because
> a device technically supports it, that doesn't automatically mean you
> can do what you want using HDMI-CEC. And plenty of people like me
> already use multi-device remotes so we don't have to bother with
> configuring HDMI-CEC at all.
I can't see why it is a problem to mention other features he would get
with another solution.

>> The topic is about playing .mkv. That is just a container. What about the
>> used codecs? In the upcoming OpenELEC
>> 0.7 there will even be support of H265 on the RPi. The Kodi GUI has no
>> problems with playing 3D content.
>> Is this working with your solution too?
> I use the vdr-mplayer plugin with mpv-player (rather than mplayer).
> Yes, it works great. I've already played plenty of h265 content.
On an RPi? With hardware support? I don't believe that.

I'm only stating the obvious, that Kodi is absolutely unnecessary to
give the OP what he's asking for. There is no denying this. And, he
can decide if he wants to bother adding Kodi to his setup just to play
mkvs, or if something less extreme makes more sense.

If you let him really decide you shouldn't make solutions bad without
any proof, only
because you don't like them.
I asked you already before to explain what makes OpenELEC more
complicated, you
didn't answer.
The only thing that is really obvious that you have no idea what you are
talking about.
As the founder of yaVDR I have some experiences how complicated a vdr
setup can be.
As a contributor to OpenELEC I know how simple the setup in OE currently is.

Gerald


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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-10 Thread VDR User
>> He's not asking about HDMI-CEC so this is irrelevant. Additionally,
>> HDMI-CEC support can be very limited on the device end so just because
>> a device technically supports it, that doesn't automatically mean you
>> can do what you want using HDMI-CEC. And plenty of people like me
>> already use multi-device remotes so we don't have to bother with
>> configuring HDMI-CEC at all.
> I can't see why it is a problem to mention other features he would get
> with another solution.

I didn't say it was a problem, I said it's not what he's asking for.
And since you put it that way, not everybody likes a salesman who
tries to "upgrade" or "upsell" the customer to a bunch of stuff they
didn't ask for in the first place. Why is it so difficult for you to
accept there's an simple answer to his simple question that doesn't
involve Kodi.

> On an RPi? With hardware support? I don't believe that.

I didn't say anything about hardware support.

>> I'm only stating the obvious, that Kodi is absolutely unnecessary to
>> give the OP what he's asking for. There is no denying this. And, he
>> can decide if he wants to bother adding Kodi to his setup just to play
>> mkvs, or if something less extreme makes more sense.
>
> If you let him really decide you shouldn't make solutions bad without
> any proof, only
> because you don't like them.

I haven't said any solution to his problem is bad and I have said I
don't like anything. Once again I have to point out that Kodi is
unnecessary to play mkvs. It's idiotic to even question that fact but
if you really need "proof" then go ahead and install the vdr-mplayer
plugin and prove it to yourself. If you don't want to do that then you
can install the vdr-play plugin as an alternative.

> I asked you already before to explain what makes OpenELEC more
> complicated, you
> didn't answer.

Yes, I have answered that question. Feel free to refer to my previous
posts and perhaps pay better attention to what's being said.

> The only thing that is really obvious that you have no idea what you are
> talking about.

Do you have any idea how completely foolish that sounds?

> As the founder of yaVDR I have some experiences how complicated a vdr
> setup can be.
> As a contributor to OpenELEC I know how simple the setup in OE currently is.

If I'm supposed to be impressed by that, it's not working. I've been a
VDR user for nearly 15 years and have never relied on anyones
pre-compiled packages. I've automated practically every aspect from OS
install to fully working VDR, including auto-configuring things
outside of VDR. So what, who cares? This isn't about how big my
johnson is or how tiny yours seems to be. This started out with a guy
asking a simple question - how can I play mkvs in VDR? If you want to
act butthurt because someone pointed out that all it takes is the
vdr-mplayer or vdr-play plugin then start a new thread about it. I
doubt he posted to the ML in hopes of seeing someone get all sensitive
over Kodi and start acting like its' honor must be defended at all
cost.. It's really starting to seem teenage girl'ish so maybe you
should give it a rest.

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-10 Thread Gerald Dachs

Am 2016-02-09 22:55, schrieb VDR User:

You don't need to bother with Kodi (unless you actually want to use
it). VDR + the mplayer plugin work perfectly fine. There's no point 
in

unnecessarily complicating a persons setup if that's not what they
want.
I know nothing in OpenELEC that is complicating a persons setup, what 
do

you have in mind?
At least his current setup is complicated enough so that he has no 
idea

what to do next.


He has no idea what to do next because he lacks information, not
because his setup is complicated. And, any time you bundle additional
software along with all of the dependencies that come with it, it's
just more to maintain and more that can break. What sense does that
make when all he wants to do is play mkvs? Kodi is completely
unnecessary, surely you agree.


No, absolutely not. The setup of OpenELEC is much less complicated and 
dependencies are no problem.
The vdr-addon and the vnsi-addon gets installed by some clicks on the 
remote and a first channel scan

needs only some clicks more.

The raspberry pi has superior HDMI-CEC support that is used 
automatically by Kodi, so in most cases
there is even no need for an IR receiver and an extra remote. The remote 
of the TV is just enough. That

simplifies the setup even more.

The topic is about playing .mkv. That is just a container. What about 
the used codecs? In the upcoming OpenELEC
0.7 there will even be support of H265 on the RPi. The Kodi GUI has no 
problems with playing 3D content.

Is this working with your solution too?

Gerald


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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-10 Thread Gerald Dachs
Am 10.02.2016 um 23:45 schrieb VDR User:
> I haven't said any solution to his problem is bad and I have said I
> don't like anything. Once again I have to point out that Kodi is
> unnecessary to play mkvs. It's idiotic to even question that fact but
> if you really need "proof" then go ahead and install the vdr-mplayer
> plugin and prove it to yourself.
Of course not. You told that my solution is too complicated, you have to
prove it. I did not judge about your solution.

> It's really starting to seem teenage girl'ish so maybe you should give
> it a rest.
My fault, I should have learned over the years that you are just a troll.

Gerald

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-10 Thread VDR User
Gerald,

You freak out because I suggested an easier solution to yours, and
then call me a troll for correcting you on your own nonsense. I hope
you don't think you're fooling anyone with that fake b.s. Take your
temper tantrums somewhere else, or get lost.

==

Nicolas,

Sorry your thread got polluted with this garbage. Gerald has a history
of lashing out at people who disagree with him or have any criticism
about yavdr. It's pathetic but hopefully in all the nonsense you've
found a solution that suits you.

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread Gerald Dachs

Am 2016-02-09 10:19, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:

Hi all,

My new Raspberry Pi2 install lacks a media player, which begins to be a
bit annoying. The current setup :
* NFS server
* DigitalDevices Octopus Net DVB network server
* VDR + rpihddevice + satip on the Pi2 : live TV, timers, recordings,
etc.


IMHO OpenELEC covers all your needs and is still lightweight.

Gerald

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread Gerald Dachs

Am 2016-02-09 10:43, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:

Le mardi 09 février 2016 à 10:33 +0100, Gerald Dachs a écrit :

Am 2016-02-09 10:19, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:
> Hi all,
>
> My new Raspberry Pi2 install lacks a media player, which begins to be a
> bit annoying. The current setup :
> * NFS server
> * DigitalDevices Octopus Net DVB network server
> * VDR + rpihddevice + satip on the Pi2 : live TV, timers, recordings,
> etc.

IMHO OpenELEC covers all your needs and is still lightweight.


As I understand OpenELEC, it is a lightweight Kodi (XBMC) distro, which
by definition gets VDR out of the way.


No, that is not true. I even helped to better integrate VDR into 
OpenELEC.


Gerald

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread Nicolas Huillard
Le mardi 09 février 2016 à 11:35 +0100, Gerald Dachs a écrit :
> Am 2016-02-09 10:43, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:
> > Le mardi 09 février 2016 à 10:33 +0100, Gerald Dachs a écrit :
> >> Am 2016-02-09 10:19, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > My new Raspberry Pi2 install lacks a media player, which begins to be a
> >> > bit annoying. The current setup :
> >> > * NFS server
> >> > * DigitalDevices Octopus Net DVB network server
> >> > * VDR + rpihddevice + satip on the Pi2 : live TV, timers, recordings,
> >> > etc.
> >> 
> >> IMHO OpenELEC covers all your needs and is still lightweight.
> > 
> > As I understand OpenELEC, it is a lightweight Kodi (XBMC) distro, which
> > by definition gets VDR out of the way.
> 
> No, that is not true. I even helped to better integrate VDR into 
> OpenELEC.

I meant that Kodi becomes the main interface, with a VNSI/PVR client
add-on, while the VDR instance will remain (in my case) on the headless
server, with a limited or non-existing UI.

Will the current stable Kodi 15.2 include your work ? Any specific
advice on how to have this kind of setup running ?

Many thanks !

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread thomas

Hi Nicolas

Quoting Nicolas Huillard :


The mplayer plugin seem very old and may not work neatly with the
rpihddevice output.


As I understand the mplayer plugin, it just launches an external  
player - this won't work on the Raspberry Pi. But technically  
speaking, it shouldn't be that hard to write a plugin which browses  
through mkv files, reads them and passes the packets to VDR's output  
device by implementing a dedicated player class. But that's probably  
not the way you asked. ;-)



Maybe simply moving the MKV files inside the recordings tree, and
creating a vdr index for each work in some way.


Personally I convert mkv files to VDR recordings. Since you don't need  
to reencode anything this is quite fast and easy and you'll get all  
the comfort you're used from VDR. This even works for BD rips on the  
Raspberry, including subtitles and DTS sound tracks.


Regards,
Thomas



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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread Füley István

2016.02.09. 11:19 keltezéssel, Nicolas Huillard írta:


The mplayer plugin seem very old and may not work neatly with the
rpihddevice output.


I use mplayer plugin on my old RPI, and it's working fine, even with HD 
.mkv-s. It's patched for using omxplayer instead of mplayer.
See details here (neither do I speak German, but it's pretty easy to 
understand with Google translate).


http://www.vdr-portal.de/board18-vdr-hardware/board98-arm-co/121850-rpihddevice-mplayer-plugin-patch-f%C3%BCr-omxplayer/

regards,

István



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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread Nicolas Huillard
Le mardi 09 février 2016 à 10:33 +0100, Gerald Dachs a écrit :
> Am 2016-02-09 10:19, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > My new Raspberry Pi2 install lacks a media player, which begins to be a
> > bit annoying. The current setup :
> > * NFS server
> > * DigitalDevices Octopus Net DVB network server
> > * VDR + rpihddevice + satip on the Pi2 : live TV, timers, recordings,
> > etc.
> 
> IMHO OpenELEC covers all your needs and is still lightweight.

As I understand OpenELEC, it is a lightweight Kodi (XBMC) distro, which
by definition gets VDR out of the way.
I'd like to keep VDR and avoid other things for various reasons (I'll
try OpenELEC on some spare SD card though).

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread Nicolas Huillard
Le mardi 09 février 2016 à 11:24 +0100, tho...@reufer.ch a écrit :
> Quoting Nicolas Huillard :
> 
> > The mplayer plugin seem very old and may not work neatly with the
> > rpihddevice output.
> 
> As I understand the mplayer plugin, it just launches an external  
> player - this won't work on the Raspberry Pi. But technically  
> speaking, it shouldn't be that hard to write a plugin which browses  
> through mkv files, reads them and passes the packets to VDR's output  
> device by implementing a dedicated player class. But that's probably  
> not the way you asked. ;-)

I wonder why this kind of plugin does not exists since all these
years... The need and skills seem to be here. Unfortunately, I won't be
able to do this.
I'll check mplayer + omxplayer though.

> > Maybe simply moving the MKV files inside the recordings tree, and
> > creating a vdr index for each work in some way.
> 
> Personally I convert mkv files to VDR recordings. Since you don't need  
> to reencode anything this is quite fast and easy and you'll get all  
> the comfort you're used from VDR. This even works for BD rips on the  
> Raspberry, including subtitles and DTS sound tracks.

Can you please elaborate a bit on how you convert mkv to VDR ts ? I see
a 2011 thread on a related topic, but tools may have evolved since
then ;-)

Thanks for your answer !

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread Gerald Dachs

Am 2016-02-09 12:01, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:

Le mardi 09 février 2016 à 11:35 +0100, Gerald Dachs a écrit :

Am 2016-02-09 10:43, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:
> Le mardi 09 février 2016 à 10:33 +0100, Gerald Dachs a écrit :
>> Am 2016-02-09 10:19, schrieb Nicolas Huillard:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > My new Raspberry Pi2 install lacks a media player, which begins to be a
>> > bit annoying. The current setup :
>> > * NFS server
>> > * DigitalDevices Octopus Net DVB network server
>> > * VDR + rpihddevice + satip on the Pi2 : live TV, timers, recordings,
>> > etc.
>>
>> IMHO OpenELEC covers all your needs and is still lightweight.
>
> As I understand OpenELEC, it is a lightweight Kodi (XBMC) distro, which
> by definition gets VDR out of the way.

No, that is not true. I even helped to better integrate VDR into
OpenELEC.


I meant that Kodi becomes the main interface, with a VNSI/PVR client
add-on, while the VDR instance will remain (in my case) on the headless
server, with a limited or non-existing UI.


No, OpenELEC supports and provides a local VDR.



Will the current stable Kodi 15.2 include your work ?


yes


Any specific advice on how to have this kind of setup running ?


not really. My work just allows a channel scan from the vdr-addon 
settings instead of using the vnsi client interface to the VDR.


Gerald


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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread thomas


Quoting Nicolas Huillard :


Can you please elaborate a bit on how you convert mkv to VDR ts ? I see
a 2011 thread on a related topic, but tools may have evolved since
then ;-)


There is no "VDR ts", it's just ts, so you can use every tool which is  
capable of handling ts streams.


When I'm converting BDs with makemkv on my Mac, I use tsMuxeR, since  
there's a nice Mac GUI available - this way, I don't even have to  
bother the keyboard for typing cli commands.


On Linux, using ffmpeg is also straight forward. Here's an example  
from my bash's history:
ffmpeg -i /var/data/media/movies/Breaking\  
Bad/Breaking_Bad_Season_1_Disc_1_t00.mkv -f mpegts -map 0:0 -map 0:1  
-map 0:3 -map 0:5 -map 0:6 -map 0:11 -map 0:12 -vcodec copy -c:a:0 ac3  
-c:a:1 copy -scodec copy -bsf h264_mp4toannexb 1.ts


You see, there's a mapping to get rid of unwanted subtitle tracks and  
the first audio track ist converted to AC-3 since it was stored as  
DTS-HD on the disc. But basically the command sould look like:


ffmpeg -i  -f mpegts -vcodec copy -acodec copy -scodec copy  
-bsf h264_mp4toannexb 1.ts


That's it. Put the file into a VDR recording folder, write a minimal  
info file (AFAIK only title, lifetime and priority is mandatory) and  
you'll see the new recording once you triggered VDR to update its  
recordings.


Regards,
Thomas



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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread VDR User
You don't need to bother with Kodi (unless you actually want to use
it). VDR + the mplayer plugin work perfectly fine. There's no point in
unnecessarily complicating a persons setup if that's not what they
want.

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread Gerald Dachs
Am 09.02.2016 um 17:07 schrieb VDR User:
> You don't need to bother with Kodi (unless you actually want to use
> it). VDR + the mplayer plugin work perfectly fine. There's no point in
> unnecessarily complicating a persons setup if that's not what they
> want.
I know nothing in OpenELEC that is complicating a persons setup, what do
you have in mind?
At least his current setup is complicated enough so that he has no idea
what to do next.

Gerald

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Re: [vdr] Media (.mkv) player on Raspberry Pi2 VDR client

2016-02-09 Thread VDR User
>> You don't need to bother with Kodi (unless you actually want to use
>> it). VDR + the mplayer plugin work perfectly fine. There's no point in
>> unnecessarily complicating a persons setup if that's not what they
>> want.
> I know nothing in OpenELEC that is complicating a persons setup, what do
> you have in mind?
> At least his current setup is complicated enough so that he has no idea
> what to do next.

He has no idea what to do next because he lacks information, not
because his setup is complicated. And, any time you bundle additional
software along with all of the dependencies that come with it, it's
just more to maintain and more that can break. What sense does that
make when all he wants to do is play mkvs? Kodi is completely
unnecessary, surely you agree.

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