Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-08 Thread Udo Richter
Klaus Schmidinger wrote: On 09/07/08 19:42, Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: ... i always wondered why dvb support was directly compiled in while other back and frontends were supposed to be plugins. this clearly leaves a sign that dvb is the preferd plattform. Well, it was the first one -

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Laz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always been impressed with the quality of the source code for vdr. It's the first proper C++ application I've had course to look through in any detail (many, many years of pure C behind me, though!) and I've pretty much learned all of the C++ I know from

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Lauri Tischler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Switching to MythTV is *not* a solution to anything. MythTV is slow huge, kitchen sink where nothing really works. maybe s/MythTV/XBMC/g ? ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org

Re: [vdr] VDR Development (Number of users)

2008-09-07 Thread Helmut Auer
Hi On 09/05/08 18:38, VDR User wrote: ... Seeing how many people have already left VDR, it's already happening! :( I have no idea how many people actually use VDR, but you apparently have some solid numbers on how many people dropped VDR. Do you mind sharing these numbers?

Re: [vdr] VDR Development (Number of users)

2008-09-07 Thread Hans Werner
Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:31:22 +0200 Von: Helmut Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: VDR Mailing List vdr@linuxtv.org Betreff: Re: [vdr] VDR Development (Number of users) Hi On 09/05/08 18:38, VDR User wrote: ... Seeing how many people have already

Re: [vdr] VDR Development (Number of users)

2008-09-07 Thread Helmut Auer
Hi Hans How did you calculate that number? By counting the downloads of fixes (which are only made once with the internal update script). And I guess that some users will never update a running system ... -- Helmut Auer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread VDR User
Glad to see some discussion taking place here.. It's quite funny some people think hdtv, h264, and other standard or quickly-becoming-standard things are bleeding edge. You've got to be kidding! Also, to put it simply, it's ignorant to think there's nothing wrong. When many VDR users are

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Oliver Endriss
Guys, I can't stand this blabla any longer. Klaus stated clearly how he wants to do VDR development, and he has the right to do it his way! No matter whether you like it or not! My suggestion for those who are unhappy with the current situation: 0. Stop this discussion. 1. Read the GPL. 2.

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Halim Sahin
FULLACK Oliver, You have forgotten the point: * help to add dvb-s2 support into main kernel!! Danke Gruß Halim On So, Sep 07, 2008 at 05:08:37 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Guys, I can't stand this blabla any longer. Klaus stated clearly how he wants to do VDR development, and he has the

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Bruno
Just a couple of observations on this discussion.. I see that some advocates of VDR repository are calling Myth project 'bloated','kitchen sink', 'not alternative to VDR'…, but, at the same time, they are pushing VDR project the same way, which will virtually transform VDR into sort of

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Oliver Endriss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I can't stand this blabla any longer. why do you read the blabla then and even bother feeding the thread? please be so tolerant and let people discuss VDR related topics on the vdr mailing list. thank you. Klaus stated clearly how he wants to do

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Georg Acher
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 05:46:01PM +0200, Halim Sahin wrote: FULLACK Oliver, You have forgotten the point: * help to add dvb-s2 support into main kernel!! Which one? SCNR :-) I also don't think that a vdr-repository would help in the development speed. Either the whole development

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread VDR User
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oliver Endriss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I can't stand this blabla any longer. Then don't read this thread. Klaus stated clearly how he wants to do VDR development, and he has the right to do it his way! No matter whether you like it or not! What's your

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Halim Sahin
Hi, On So, Sep 07, 2008 at 06:44:46 +0200, Georg Acher wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 05:46:01PM +0200, Halim Sahin wrote: FULLACK Oliver, You have forgotten the point: * help to add dvb-s2 support into main kernel!! Which one? I don't know. But I have forgotten another important

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Georg Acher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also don't think that a vdr-repository would help in the development speed. Either the whole development procedure needs to be changed (more maintainer with KLS's approval) or it has no advantage compared to the .tgz-distribution. maybe using git, where

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Goga777
VDR does need some of its core functionality upgraded - for example something like the Reel channel scan is badly missing, you should be able to easily scan for transponders from within VDR, just like most satellite receivers. +1 Hmmm. My VDR automatically updates its channel list by

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread VDR User
With regards to dvb cards that include mpeg4 hardware decoders... There aren't many even in development and the ones that do actually (if they do) make it to production will be very expensive. At the cost of the card you can build a pc capable of the same and a lot more for your money. In

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Georg Acher
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 07:21:04PM +0200, Halim Sahin wrote: * help to add dvb-s2 support into main kernel!! Which one? I don't know. :-) I guess nobody does... But I have forgotten another important point: Help to develope an fullfeatured, h264 capable card, or hw accelerated

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Oliver Endriss
Georg Acher wrote: I also don't think that a vdr-repository would help in the development speed. Either the whole development procedure needs to be changed (more maintainer with KLS's approval) or it has no advantage compared to the .tgz-distribution. But I think the repository stuff is

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Halim Sahin
Hello, On So, Sep 07, 2008 at 08:25:56 +0200, Georg Acher wrote: Been there, done that already :-) The HDE from Reel decodes h264, I wrote a lot of the driver stuff for it. So there is (at least one) h264-decoder card, and btw, vdr is the main platform for the HDE. Yes right that might be an

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09/07/08 19:42, Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: ... i always wondered why dvb support was directly compiled in while other back and frontends were supposed to be plugins. this clearly leaves a sign that dvb is the preferd plattform. Well, it was the first one - long before there even was a

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-07 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Klaus Schmidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i always wondered why dvb support was directly compiled in while other back and frontends were supposed to be plugins. this clearly leaves a sign that dvb is the preferd plattform. Well, it was the first one - long before there even was a plugin

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Davide Cavalca
Il giorno sab, 06/09/2008 alle 02.58 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: but vdr has not evolved for years ! no real new features, it's still meant to be used with one ff dvb-s card. there's a plugin interface but most of the time you don't want to hear about bugs when somebody is using a

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Carsten Koch
Davide Cavalca wrote: ... I'm neither Klaus not a regular of this list, but I think you're not being fair here: Klaus has every right to say he won't develop on a community tree; it is, after all, his own free time. BTW, if I remember well, Klaus has coded several features (i.e. subtitles) he

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Ales Jurik
On Saturday 06 of September 2008, Davide Cavalca wrote: Il giorno sab, 06/09/2008 alle 02.58 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: but vdr has not evolved for years ! no real new features, it's still meant to be used with one ff dvb-s card. there's a plugin interface but most of the time

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
Thanks for the words of understanding several people have posted here. I'm pretty amazed myself how fast time went by this summer, and how little time I had to work on VDR. I do have a version 1.7.1 sitting here that's almost ready, but there are some things I'd still like to go into it. I'll do

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Halim Sahin
FULLACK Carstenand Davide, On Sa, Sep 06, 2008 at 10:45:54 +0200, Carsten Koch wrote: Davide Cavalca wrote: ... I'm neither Klaus not a regular of this list, but I think you're not being fair here: Klaus has every right to say he won't develop on a community tree; it is, after all, his

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Magnus Hörlin
Davide Cavalca wrote: Il giorno sab, 06/09/2008 alle 02.58 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: but vdr has not evolved for years ! no real new features, it's still meant to be used with one ff dvb-s card. there's a plugin interface but most of the time you don't want to hear about bugs

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Udo Richter
VDR User wrote: What ever happened to the idea of setting up VDR deveopment on mercurial to allow the main contributors who want to work on it to do so without hassle/delay? My 2c on this: Lets think this through: An open VDR repository for everyone to get in their personal 'I want this'

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Laz
On Saturday 06 September 2008 11:34:30 kafifi wrote: FULLACK Carsten and Davide. Klaus, Thanks a lot for your great job. Good news to hear that development will restart soon ;-) Ditto on all the above! I have been using vdr full time since about 2002. It suits my needs as a set-top-box

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Lars Bläser
Davide Cavalca wrote: You say you want to fork it: what would you accomplish with that? It's not as if the code would magically write itself. I've yet to see a single prospective developer say if it were forked I'd write X. (And, BTW, there's nothing forbidding him to write X in form of a

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Lars Bläser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but vdr has not evolved for years ! maybe because it was bleeding edge as it started, it only used the (european) digital dvb standard since then the whole tv marked developed to dvb-s/-c/-t (in europe) an even now with dvb-s2 and h.264, vdr is fit enough to get a patch

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Hans Werner
Enough people have unthinkingly ackd Davide's message. It deserves some serious criticism. I'm neither Klaus not a regular of this list, If you say so. but I think you're not being fair here: Klaus has every right to say he won't develop on a community tree; it is, after all, his own free

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09/06/08 16:34, Hans Werner wrote: ... After 145 or so days without any release, there is a lot of code which has been posted as patches implementing vital features (such as H.264) which could immediately be merged in. If I'm not mistaken the currently available patch for H.264 is based on

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Hans Werner
On 09/06/08 16:34, Hans Werner wrote: ... After 145 or so days without any release, there is a lot of code which has been posted as patches implementing vital features (such as H.264) which could immediately be merged in. If I'm not mistaken the currently available patch for H.264 is

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Udo Richter
Hans Werner wrote: Sourcecaps I believe has existed as a patch for about four *years* and has it's own web page. Absolutely ridiculous. I am lost for words. So I guess mythtv has something like that, right? Also, I've never heard of anyone doing a more general patch that also integrates

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Morfsta
What did I start?! For what its worth, I think VDR had DVB-S2 support (albeit patches) long before MythTV.. VDR does need some of its core functionality upgraded - for example something like the Reel channel scan is badly missing, you should be able to easily scan for transponders from within

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09/06/08 17:40, Hans Werner wrote: On 09/06/08 16:34, Hans Werner wrote: ... After 145 or so days without any release, there is a lot of code which has been posted as patches implementing vital features (such as H.264) which could immediately be merged in. If I'm not mistaken the

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Udo Richter
Morfsta wrote: VDR does need some of its core functionality upgraded - for example something like the Reel channel scan is badly missing, you should be able to easily scan for transponders from within VDR, just like most satellite receivers. Hmmm. My VDR automatically updates its channel

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Hans Werner
Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:01:48 +0200 Von: Udo Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: VDR Mailing List vdr@linuxtv.org Betreff: Re: [vdr] VDR Development Hans Werner wrote: Sourcecaps I believe has existed as a patch for about four *years* and has it's own

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Halim Sahin
Hi, Maybe you should read the CONTRIBUTORS file. On Sa, Sep 06, 2008 at 08:59:45 +0300, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: Sure, agreed. But I don't see that there are developers that push this forward. Most features get developed to basic functionality, and then development stops, and the patch is

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread Luca Olivetti
El Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:22:08 +0200 Udo Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Hmmm. My VDR automatically updates its channel list by itself, and adds all channels and transponders I ever needed. (which is far from what other receivers I know do.) In spite of that, a couple of days ago I lost

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread syrius . ml
Udo Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lets think this through: An open VDR repository for everyone to get in their personal 'I want this' patches. Surely this will lead to chaos, indeed. since no one really oversees the needs of all VDR users. (Take sourcecaps vs. lnbsharing as example.)

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-06 Thread syrius . ml
Lars Bläser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] btw. there is a vdr fork repository (svn://reelbox.org) reel-multimadia has its own 1.4.7 dvb-s2, h.264 capable vdr they (Georg Acher?) wrote there own extension för dvb-s2 and they extended vdr to there needs it could be interesting to hear of the

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09/05/08 16:15, Vladimir Kangin wrote: We can dedicate server for these purpose. And our administrators would be able to support it. Does it make sense? Of course I can't prevent people from doing this. But I won't synchronize my work on some repository where others call the shots. It would

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread VDR User
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Magnus Hörlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you can fork it, and I'm sure someone eventually will, but I think you should regard it as a totally different project and give it some other name. This would lead to plugin developers having to decide which

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread Vladimir Kangin
If it would be helpful for the project VDR we can contribute by setting up server at our DC. We are supporting LinuxMCE distro and also want to help to VDR as a part of LinuxMCE project. Best regards, Vladimir On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 08:02 -0700, VDR User wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:38 AM,

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread Volker Schierz
Development Yes, it's great idea to create the repositary for VDR Goga -Original Message- From: Vladimir Kangin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: VDR Mailing List vdr@linuxtv.org Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:21:23 +0300 Subject: Re: [vdr] VDR Development If it would be helpful for the project VDR we can

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread Andrey Kuzmin
But! Coordinating such a Team is some thing that needs time, for itselfe. But all thouse discussions, about the priority of a feature should be done befor coding starts. May be it worth just to try and see if there is a problem here at all? ;-) I belive problem here is a bit different.

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread VDR User
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Volker Schierz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every Year the same discussion! Maybe because the problem is never resolved? Klaus has already pointed out his side of view for several times! People are entitled to change their mind. At one point he had no interest in

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09/05/08 18:38, VDR User wrote: ... Seeing how many people have already left VDR, it's already happening! :( I have no idea how many people actually use VDR, but you apparently have some solid numbers on how many people dropped VDR. Do you mind sharing these numbers? Klaus

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread VDR User
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Klaus Schmidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/05/08 18:38, VDR User wrote: ... Seeing how many people have already left VDR, it's already happening! :( I have no idea how many people actually use VDR, but you apparently have some solid numbers on how many

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread Gregoire Favre
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 06:44:00PM +0200, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: I have no idea how many people actually use VDR, but you apparently have some solid numbers on how many people dropped VDR. Do you mind sharing these numbers? I have : I would like to be able to postprocess my recordingis

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread syrius . ml
VDR User [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will however give you an example. There was a time when the majority of dvb users I talk to used VDR, and only a few guys used MythTV. Now the opposite is true. The majority of those people are using MythTV and few are left who still use VDR. Why?

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread Jelle De Loecker
That's really the one thing that keeps me from using VDR: no multiple frontends. And I've tried the stream-thing plugin. I actually really like VDR's interface. I believe the people I'm creating this for, my parents, would be better of with it, too. /Met vriendelijke groeten,/ *Jelle De

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-05 Thread syrius . ml
Klaus Schmidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 09/05/08 16:15, Vladimir Kangin wrote: We can dedicate server for these purpose. And our administrators would be able to support it. Does it make sense? Of course I can't prevent people from doing this. But I won't synchronize my work on some

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-04 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 09/04/08 12:38, Morfsta wrote: Hi, Does anyone know what is happening with VDR development these days? There doesn't seem to be much activity - is Klaus taking a long holiday or very busy with work!? :-) Please don't flame me for asking - I totally understand and appreciate that Klaus

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-04 Thread Morfsta
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Klaus Schmidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This summer I had quite a few other things to do, and many times the weather was just too good to sit by the PC and do programming. I do intend to continue working on VDR, and I sure hope to find more time for it

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-04 Thread VDR User
What ever happened to the idea of setting up VDR deveopment on mercurial to allow the main contributors who want to work on it to do so without hassle/delay? I think converting to mpeg-ts instead of pes, and the hdtv support + all things related would be much farther along by now! Cheers

Re: [vdr] VDR Development

2008-09-04 Thread Udo Richter
Klaus Schmidinger wrote: On 09/04/08 12:38, Morfsta wrote: Does anyone know what is happening with VDR development these days? There doesn't seem to be much activity - is Klaus taking a long holiday or very busy with work!? :-) This summer I had quite a few other things to do, and many