Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-23 Thread Brian
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
 On 05/22/08 21:22, Brian wrote:
 ...
 Will the TS mods that Klaus is currently working on mean that the full 
 stream of
 the transponder can be recorded? Or will the HW full-TS mod still be needed?
 
 The PES to TS switch will only change the way VDR records broadcasts
 and performs live viewing. There will be no more TS to PES conversion.
 VDR will still record separate programmes, though. It won't record the
 entire TS.
 
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Klaus thanks.

I know the BBC was pissing about with recording the complete TS, but IIRC
then you need a LOT of disk space for that.

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Brian
Lauri Tischler wrote:
 Igor wrote:
 
 could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 
 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example
 with DiSEq-Cswitch
 
 Simple diagram, using quad-lnb's, input of lnbs are called as
 HB-1, HB-2, HB-3, HB-4
 SI-1, SI-2, S1-3, SI-4
 AS-1, AS-2, AS-3, AS-4
 
Diseqc-switch 1
 ++
 ||--- HB-1
 Card1 -||--- SI-1
 ||--- AS-1
 ||--- free
 ++
 
Diseqc-switch 2
 ++
 ||--- HB-2
 Card2 -||--- SI-2
 ||--- AS-2
 ||--- free
 ++
 
Diseqc-switch 3
 ++
 ||--- HB-3
 Card3 -||--- SI-3
 ||--- AS-3
 ||--- free
 ++
 
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Hi, does that really work, or am I misunderstanding a quad-LNB? I though the 
the 4 outputs of a quad LNB are
hi/V lo/V hi/H and Lo/H. Or is that a quattro LNB?
So what you are saying is that a quad LNB can supply any of the 4 
freqs/polarization down any of its 4 connections?
Any if required the same signal down all 4 connections?

This solution is certainly a lot cheaper because otherwise he would need 12 
input lines, so the spaun would not have
worked as it only had 8 Sat input lines. So he would have needed a more 
expensive model.

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Brian
C.Scheeder wrote:
 Igor schrieb:
 I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

 I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
 and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
 in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
 to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

 I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
 only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
 but it did only for a few.

 After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
 there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 

 I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
 hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
 available ).

 The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
 kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
 frequence are always the same.
 -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?

 -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

 -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

 -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
 more signals ?

 thanks for your help

 Errm,
 you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
 and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
 AFAIk this will NOT work.
 if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, 
 but why vdr chose the second card, not the first one ?
 and this vdr's behaviour only for scan ? 

 Igor
 
 Hrm,
 i could say RTFM, but that would be a little rude ;-)
 so lets explain it in short:
 per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does 
 not use it for other
 so called idle tasks like epg-scann or transponder-scann if there is a 
 second card in the system.
 thats by design, and it is written down the documentation.
 
 And when it comes to viewing a transponder, vdr uses the first card to get 
 the signal if that tuner
 is available.
 so in your configuration you will only be able to watch the channels on 
 hotbird, but you only can 
 scan on astra with plain vdr
 Nice situation... ;-)
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Aaah Bloody Germans G

  per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does 
  not use it for other

live viewing.

Its a mistake that is made absolutely everywhere, especially in the press, who
should really know better. I'm absolutely astounded about how many Germans (I 
live in Germany),
are nearly perfect with their English but make this mistake. But we see it in 
Clever Modern
advertising all the time now.

the length of someone's life
The concert was shown live in TV
I live in my house, etc.

There's certainly no system in things like those in the English language.


Sorry, just a pet rant of mine.

Cheers Brian





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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Lauri Tischler
Brian wrote:
 Lauri Tischler wrote:
 Igor wrote:

 could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 
 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example
 with DiSEq-Cswitch
 Simple diagram, using quad-lnb's, input of lnbs are called as
 HB-1, HB-2, HB-3, HB-4
 SI-1, SI-2, S1-3, SI-4
 AS-1, AS-2, AS-3, AS-4

Diseqc-switch 1
 ++
 ||--- HB-1
 Card1 -||--- SI-1
 ||--- AS-1
 ||--- free
 ++

Diseqc-switch 2
 ++
 ||--- HB-2
 Card2 -||--- SI-2
 ||--- AS-2
 ||--- free
 ++

Diseqc-switch 3
 ++
 ||--- HB-3
 Card3 -||--- SI-3
 ||--- AS-3
 ||--- free
 ++

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 Hi, does that really work, or am I misunderstanding a quad-LNB? I though the 
 the 4 outputs of a quad LNB are
 hi/V lo/V hi/H and Lo/H. Or is that a quattro LNB?
 So what you are saying is that a quad LNB can supply any of the 4 
 freqs/polarization down any of its 4 connections?
 Any if required the same signal down all 4 connections?

Should work, because twin or quad or octal lnbs actually have
multiple tuners inside the lnb.
Typically twin, quad or octal lnbs are used when there are
several settopboxes in the house.

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread C.Scheeder
Brian schrieb:
 Lauri Tischler wrote:
 Igor wrote:

 could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 
 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example
 with DiSEq-Cswitch
 Simple diagram, using quad-lnb's, input of lnbs are called as
 HB-1, HB-2, HB-3, HB-4
 SI-1, SI-2, S1-3, SI-4
 AS-1, AS-2, AS-3, AS-4

Diseqc-switch 1
 ++
 ||--- HB-1
 Card1 -||--- SI-1
 ||--- AS-1
 ||--- free
 ++

Diseqc-switch 2
 ++
 ||--- HB-2
 Card2 -||--- SI-2
 ||--- AS-2
 ||--- free
 ++

Diseqc-switch 3
 ++
 ||--- HB-3
 Card3 -||--- SI-3
 ||--- AS-3
 ||--- free
 ++

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 Hi, does that really work, or am I misunderstanding a quad-LNB? I though the 
 the 4 outputs of a quad LNB are
 hi/V lo/V hi/H and Lo/H. Or is that a quattro LNB?
 So what you are saying is that a quad LNB can supply any of the 4 
 freqs/polarization down any of its 4 connections?
 Any if required the same signal down all 4 connections?
 
 This solution is certainly a lot cheaper because otherwise he would need 12 
 input lines, so the spaun would not have
 worked as it only had 8 Sat input lines. So he would have needed a more 
 expensive model.
 
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Hi,
there are two versions of lnb's with 4 outputs sold,
one with 4 identical outputs to feed 4 seperate receivers, (or diseq-c switches)
and one with outputs for hi/V lo/V hi/H and Lo/H ment to feed multiswitches.
(like the spaun meintioned in another answer...)
so beware which version you by, the purpose is always written down on the box.
Christoph

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread C.Scheeder
Brian schrieb:
 C.Scheeder wrote:
 Igor schrieb:
 I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

 I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
 and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
 in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
 to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

 I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
 only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
 but it did only for a few.

 After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
 there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 

 I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
 hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
 available ).

 The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
 kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
 frequence are always the same.
 -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?

 -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

 -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

 -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
 more signals ?

 thanks for your help

 Errm,
 you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
 and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
 AFAIk this will NOT work.
 if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, 
 but why vdr chose the second card, not the first one ?
 and this vdr's behaviour only for scan ? 

 Igor
 Hrm,
 i could say RTFM, but that would be a little rude ;-)
 so lets explain it in short:
 per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does 
 not use it for other
 so called idle tasks like epg-scann or transponder-scann if there is a 
 second card in the system.
 thats by design, and it is written down the documentation.

 And when it comes to viewing a transponder, vdr uses the first card to get 
 the signal if that tuner
 is available.
 so in your configuration you will only be able to watch the channels on 
 hotbird, but you only can 
 scan on astra with plain vdr
 Nice situation... ;-)
 Christoph

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 Aaah Bloody Germans G
 
   per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and 
 does not use it for other
 
 live viewing.
 
 Its a mistake that is made absolutely everywhere, especially in the press, who
 should really know better. I'm absolutely astounded about how many Germans (I 
 live in Germany),
 are nearly perfect with their English but make this mistake. But we see it in 
 Clever Modern
 advertising all the time now.
 
 the length of someone's life
 The concert was shown live in TV
 I live in my house, etc.
 
 There's certainly no system in things like those in the English language.
 
 
 Sorry, just a pet rant of mine.
 
 Cheers Brian

Blody fucking bastard of a keyboard  ;-)
just hit the wrong key, i know i can't type blind, but sometimes i do it simply,
and then such typo's are the result.
have a niece day
Christoph

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Ales Jurik
On Thursday 22 of May 2008, C.Scheeder wrote:
 Brian schrieb:
 Hi,
 there are two versions of lnb's with 4 outputs sold,
 one with 4 identical outputs to feed 4 seperate receivers, (or diseq-c
 switches)
This is labeled QUAD, is a little more expansive

 and one with outputs for hi/V lo/V hi/H and Lo/H ment to feed 
 multiswitches. (like the spaun meintioned in another answer...)
This is labeled QUATTRO, is a little cheaper

 so beware which version you by, the purpose is always written down on the
 box. Christoph

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Lars Bläser
Mattia Rossi wrote:
 On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:01:22 +0300
 Lauri Tischler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Mattia Rossi wrote:
 On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:33 +0400
 Igor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- snip -
 could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in
 VDR to 3 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example with
 DiSEq-Cswitch

 Hmm, using this switch ?
 http://www.spaun.de/?lang=enmodul=productsproduct=842379productname=SBK9935NF
 Good God NO, just a simple 4 input diseqc-switch, one for
 each card, price something like 10-30€ each

 
 Well, he didn't ask for the cheapest solution, he only asked how it
 could be done ;)
 
 By the way, the multiple diseqc switch is ok if the
 number of dvb terminals is less than 4, for 4 terminal or more the
 multiswitch solution (it hasn't to be spaun) becomes quickly more
 convenient in terms of complexity and, eventually, costs
 
 If you also need to mix terrestrial signal to the lot, then it
 becomes even more desirable.
 
 ... but we are digressing :)

if he has never heard of diseqc maybe some basics would be good


http://www.spaun.de/files/8df79_en_DiSEqC_for_Technicians.pdf
http://www.spaun.de/?lang=enmodul=adigs

with diseqc you can address a single lnb among a limited number of lnb´s
from the electrical point there are two ways
lets say 2 sat´s and 4 receivers

1. using a lnb with 4 equivalent outputs for every satelite (you could
connect a receiver to those outputs and will get all four options high,
low, horizontal, vertical on every output, the receiver switches the to
its 4 options, same es having 4 single lnb´s) so you would need 4 single
passive diseqc switches, one for every receiver
shown here: http://www.spaun.de/files/ba406_de_ske11s133.pdf

2. using lnb´s with 4 different outputs (each for h, l, hor., ver., if
you connect a receiver you will only have one option at every connector,
thats the difference between quad and quattro lnb´s)
2 of those with a multiswitch (input for every option for every sat) you
can multiplie all 8 signals (the lnb´s don't have to be switched with
voltage or tone to a option) and deliver on the 4 receiver outputs whats
needed - this installation alway needs external power from 110/220V,
usually used for 4 or more receivers

in the situation with 4 sat´s and 2-4 receivers the scenario 1. will
usually cheaper



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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Lars Bläser
Brian wrote:
 Aaah Bloody Germans G
 
   per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and 
 does not use it for other
 
 live viewing.
 
 Its a mistake that is made absolutely everywhere, especially in the press, who
 should really know better. I'm absolutely astounded about how many Germans (I 
 live in Germany),
 are nearly perfect with their English but make this mistake. But we see it in 
 Clever Modern
 advertising all the time now.
 
 the length of someone's life
 The concert was shown live in TV
 I live in my house, etc.
 
 There's certainly no system in things like those in the English language.

fun like this will keep you alive - or was it alife
:-)))

 Sorry, just a pet rant of mine.

sorry couldn't resist

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Brian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks for all the answers regarding my questions.
 
 So far I can understand my hardware is not adapted to what I want to do.
 I will proceed to the following :
 
 - Install 2 twin lnb's
 - Install 2 disecq switches.
 - Is diseqc switch 1 ok ? or do i need diseqc 2.0
 
 As explain I have 1 FF card and one S2-3200. On one of my dishes I also
 have a rotor.
 
 - Can I still use it ? Is there already a valid rotor plugin for 1.7.0 ?
 
 My target is to achieve to be able to look on one TV on the output of the
 FF card, and on a other TV on a other broadcasting on a vdr-to-vdr client.
 I assume thats possible with that configuration ?
 
 Can I record a third broadcasting ? (concurrent recording)
 Can I look at a third broadcasting on a second vdr-to-vdr or http client ?
 
 Even if I don't need HD, do I need to use 1.7.0 version with my S2-3200 ?
 
 thanks,
 
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In the end, if you dont use the LNB Sharing patch (I think it was), the
solution from the VDR point of view is very simple. I hope I get this correct.

To watch or record 2 programs, on two different transponders, you need two 
tuners and therefore 2 input lines.
Same for 3,4,5 and 6 programs etc. etc.

You just need to ensure, outside of VDR, that each line (coax) going to VDR can
transport every transponder, and that at the same time.

If, two or more programs are on the same transponder, then a single tuner can 
see them all.

I think a FF card can process 3 streams on the same transponder without 
problems.
I don't know if process differentiates between live-viewing and recording a 
program.
I think the nettlebock (bottleneck) is on the PCI bus.

Third broadcasting will therefore depend on whether that channel is on one of 
the transponders
you are already tuned to with your two cards.

Will the TS mods that Klaus is currently working on mean that the full stream of
the transponder can be recorded? Or will the HW full-TS mod still be needed?

Cheers Brian









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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Brian
C.Scheeder wrote:
 Brian schrieb:
 C.Scheeder wrote:
 Igor schrieb:
 I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

 I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
 and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not 
 interested
 in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
 to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

 I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
 only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
 but it did only for a few.

 After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
 there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 

 I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
 hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
 available ).

 The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
 kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
 frequence are always the same.
 -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?

 -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

 -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

 -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 
 or
 more signals ?

 thanks for your help

 Errm,
 you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
 and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
 AFAIk this will NOT work.
 if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, 
 but why vdr chose the second card, not the first one ?
 and this vdr's behaviour only for scan ? 

 Igor
 Hrm,
 i could say RTFM, but that would be a little rude ;-)
 so lets explain it in short:
 per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does 
 not use it for other
 so called idle tasks like epg-scann or transponder-scann if there is a 
 second card in the system.
 thats by design, and it is written down the documentation.

 And when it comes to viewing a transponder, vdr uses the first card to get 
 the signal if that tuner
 is available.
 so in your configuration you will only be able to watch the channels on 
 hotbird, but you only can 
 scan on astra with plain vdr
 Nice situation... ;-)
 Christoph

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 Aaah Bloody Germans G

   per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and 
 does not use it for other

 live viewing.

 Its a mistake that is made absolutely everywhere, especially in the press, 
 who
 should really know better. I'm absolutely astounded about how many Germans 
 (I live in Germany),
 are nearly perfect with their English but make this mistake. But we see it 
 in Clever Modern
 advertising all the time now.

 the length of someone's life
 The concert was shown live in TV
 I live in my house, etc.

 There's certainly no system in things like those in the English language.


 Sorry, just a pet rant of mine.

 Cheers Brian
 
 Blody fucking bastard of a keyboard  ;-)
 just hit the wrong key, i know i can't type blind, but sometimes i do it 
 simply,
 and then such typo's are the result.
 have a niece day
 Christoph
 
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So... I can type really really fast, just have a problem hitting the correct 
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MfG




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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-22 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
On 05/22/08 21:22, Brian wrote:
 ...
 Will the TS mods that Klaus is currently working on mean that the full stream 
 of
 the transponder can be recorded? Or will the HW full-TS mod still be needed?

The PES to TS switch will only change the way VDR records broadcasts
and performs live viewing. There will be no more TS to PES conversion.
VDR will still record separate programmes, though. It won't record the
entire TS.

Klaus

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Igor
 I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.
 
 I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver

do you use the latest multiproto's version ?

 and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
 in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
 to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird
 
 I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
 only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
 but it did only for a few.

 After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
 there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 

how did you start the scanning  on vdr ? 

 I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
 hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
 available ).
 
 The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
 kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
 frequence are always the same.
 -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?

there's reelchannelscan plugin 0.4.1 It works with dvb-s channels on vdr170 , 
not with dvb-s2.

 -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

femon-plugin will helpto you

 -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

have a look on verbose option for stb6100 module - modinfo stb6100

 -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
 more signals ?


which patch do you mean ?

Igor


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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread C.Scheeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 Hello,
 
 I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.
 
 I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
 and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
 in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
 to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird
 
 I started with a “clean” vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
 only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
 but it did only for a few.
 
 After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
 there. In the DVB menu, update stands on “add new transponder”
 
 I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
 hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as “channel not
 available”).
 
 The log does’nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
 kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
 frequence are always the same.
 -why is the “autoscan” not working ? Do I need some “transponder file” ?
 
 -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?
 
 -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?
 
 -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
 more signals ?
 
 thanks for your help
 
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Errm,
you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
AFAIk this will NOT work.
if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, it does 
not know these two 
cards are hardwired to different sat-positions, and i know of now way to tell 
it about such a 
confguration.
Is this correct Klaus?
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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Igor

  I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.
  
  I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
  and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
  in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
  to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
  card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird
  
  I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
  only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
  but it did only for a few.
  
  After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
  there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 
  
  I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
  hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
  available ).
  
  The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
  kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
  frequence are always the same.
  -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?
  
  -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?
  
  -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?
  
  -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
  more signals ?
  


 Errm,
 you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
 and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?

no, he has one FF card, second one is budget card TT3200

Igor

 AFAIk this will NOT work.
 if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, it does 
 not know these two 
 cards are hardwired to different sat-positions, and i know of now way to tell 
 it about such a 
 confguration.
 Is this correct Klaus?
 Christoph


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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread C.Scheeder
Igor schrieb:
 I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

 I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
 and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
 in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
 to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

 I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
 only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
 but it did only for a few.

 After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
 there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 

 I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
 hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
 available ).

 The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
 kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
 frequence are always the same.
 -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?

 -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

 -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

 -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
 more signals ?

 
 
 Errm,
 you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
 and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
 
 no, he has one FF card, second one is budget card TT3200
 
 Igor
 

Ok, but this does not make any difference in this situation, it will plain NOT 
work, as long as each 
card is hard-wired to only one of the LNBs.
To get channelsacn working he will have to patch vdr (probably by himself) or 
get at least one 
switch to get both satelites to both of his cards.
Christoph

 AFAIk this will NOT work.
 if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, it does 
 not know these two 
 cards are hardwired to different sat-positions, and i know of now way to 
 tell it about such a 
 confguration.
 Is this correct Klaus?
 Christoph
 
 
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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Jean-Claude Repetto
Klaus Schmidinger wrote :
 Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all satellites.
 
 Klaus
 

I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 !
The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still 
using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Theunis Potgieter
I would suggest to start vdr up with only one device at at time (by using
the command line parameter to a fixed dvb card) and then use the channel
scan plugin, repeat this for each device.

This will surely force vdr to use the only selected device to do a channel
scan?

Theunis

2008/5/21 Jean-Claude Repetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Klaus Schmidinger wrote :
  Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all
 satellites.
 
  Klaus
 

 I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 !
 The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still
 using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Lauri Tischler
Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:
 Klaus Schmidinger wrote :
 Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all satellites.

 Klaus

 
 I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 !
 The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still 
 using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).

There used to be 'sourcecaps patch' somewhere, dig it up and
fix it to work with 1.7.0.

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Jean-Claude Repetto
Lauri Tischler a écrit :
 Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:
 Klaus Schmidinger wrote :
 Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all satellites.

 Klaus

 I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 !
 The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still 
 using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).
 
 There used to be 'sourcecaps patch' somewhere, dig it up and
 fix it to work with 1.7.0.
 

Yes, I know, but I think this should be supported by VDR in the standard 
version. Lots of people have two dishes pointing to different satellites.


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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Igor
  I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.
  
  I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
  and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
  in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
  to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
  card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird
  
  I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
  only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
  but it did only for a few.
  
  After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
  there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 
  
  I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
  hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
  available ).
  
  The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
  kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
  frequence are always the same.
  -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?
  
  -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?
  
  -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?
  
  -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
  more signals ?
  
  thanks for your help
  

 Errm,
 you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
 and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
 AFAIk this will NOT work.
 if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, 

but why vdr chose the second card, not the first one ?
and this vdr's behaviour only for scan ? 

Igor

 it does not know these two 
 cards are hardwired to different sat-positions, and i know of now way to tell 
 it about such a 
 confguration.
 Is this correct Klaus?


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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Igor
 
  I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
  and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
  in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
  to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
  card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird
 
  I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
  only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
  but it did only for a few.
 
  After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
  there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 
 
  I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
  hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
  available ).
 
  The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
  kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
  frequence are always the same.
  -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?
 
  -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?
 
  -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?
 
  -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
  more signals ?
 
  
  
  Errm,
  you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
  and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
  
  no, he has one FF card, second one is budget card TT3200
  
  Igor
  
 
 Ok, but this does not make any difference in this situation, it will plain 
 NOT work, as long as each 
 card is hard-wired to only one of the LNBs.
 To get channelsacn working he will have to patch vdr (probably by himself) 

OK

or get at least one switch to get both satelites to both of his cards.

sorry, I don't understand how is it proceed ? How is it possible to connect two 
or more cards to two or more LNB's.


Igor


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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Igor
 Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:
  Lauri Tischler a Иcrit :
  Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:
  Klaus Schmidinger wrote :
  Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all 
  satellites.
 
  Klaus
 
  I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 !
  The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still 
  using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).
  There used to be 'sourcecaps patch' somewhere, dig it up and
  fix it to work with 1.7.0.
 
  
  Yes, I know, but I think this should be supported by VDR in the standard 
  version. Lots of people have two dishes pointing to different satellites.
 
 It is supported by using multi-input lnb's and diseqc-switches :)
 

could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 LNB's 
for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example
with DiSEq-Cswitch

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread C.Scheeder
Igor schrieb:
 I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

 I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
 and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
 in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
 to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

 I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
 only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
 but it did only for a few.

 After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
 there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 

 I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
 hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
 available ).

 The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
 kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
 frequence are always the same.
 -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?

 -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

 -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

 -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
 more signals ?

 thanks for your help

 
 Errm,
 you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
 and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
 AFAIk this will NOT work.
 if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, 
 
 but why vdr chose the second card, not the first one ?
 and this vdr's behaviour only for scan ? 
 
 Igor

Hrm,
i could say RTFM, but that would be a little rude ;-)
so lets explain it in short:
per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does not 
use it for other
so called idle tasks like epg-scann or transponder-scann if there is a second 
card in the system.
thats by design, and it is written down the documentation.

And when it comes to viewing a transponder, vdr uses the first card to get the 
signal if that tuner
is available.
so in your configuration you will only be able to watch the channels on 
hotbird, but you only can 
scan on astra with plain vdr
Nice situation... ;-)
Christoph

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread C.Scheeder
Igor schrieb:
 I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver
 and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested
 in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able
 to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2
 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

 I started with a  clean  vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with
 only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels,
 but it did only for a few.

 After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops
 there. In the DVB menu, update stands on  add new transponder 

 I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on
 hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as  channel not
 available ).

 The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by
 kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The
 frequence are always the same.
 -why is the  autoscan  not working ? Do I need some  transponder file  ?

 -how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

 -how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

 -do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or
 more signals ?


 Errm,
 you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird
 and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?
 no, he has one FF card, second one is budget card TT3200

 Igor

 Ok, but this does not make any difference in this situation, it will plain 
 NOT work, as long as each 
 card is hard-wired to only one of the LNBs.
 To get channelsacn working he will have to patch vdr (probably by himself) 
 
 OK
 
 or get at least one switch to get both satelites to both of his cards.
 
 sorry, I don't understand how is it proceed ? How is it possible to connect 
 two or more cards to two or more LNB's.
 
Hm, back to basics of satreception...
if you want more then one satelite you will need a so called diseq-switch, it 
has 2 ore more 
connectors for lnb's and one for a sat-receiver/card. you need such a switch to 
connect multiple 
lnb's to one receiver/card of vdr.
if you want to connect another card to these lnb's youlneed 3 so called 
twin-lnb's (these habe two 
signal-outputs) and another diseq-switch.
This is the way it's done regularly.
Christoph

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Mattia Rossi
On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:33 +0400
Igor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- snip -
 
 could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR
 to 3 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example with DiSEq-Cswitch
 

Hmm, using this switch ?
http://www.spaun.de/?lang=enmodul=productsproduct=842379productname=SBK9935NF

Mattia


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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Lauri Tischler
Igor wrote:

 could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 
 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example
 with DiSEq-Cswitch

Simple diagram, using quad-lnb's, input of lnbs are called as
HB-1, HB-2, HB-3, HB-4
SI-1, SI-2, S1-3, SI-4
AS-1, AS-2, AS-3, AS-4

   Diseqc-switch 1
++
||--- HB-1
Card1 -||--- SI-1
||--- AS-1
||--- free
++

   Diseqc-switch 2
++
||--- HB-2
Card2 -||--- SI-2
||--- AS-2
||--- free
++

   Diseqc-switch 3
++
||--- HB-3
Card3 -||--- SI-3
||--- AS-3
||--- free
++

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Re: [vdr] no channel update on vdr 1.7.0

2008-05-21 Thread Lauri Tischler
Mattia Rossi wrote:
 On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:33 +0400
 Igor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- snip -
 could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR
 to 3 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example with DiSEq-Cswitch

 
 Hmm, using this switch ?
 http://www.spaun.de/?lang=enmodul=productsproduct=842379productname=SBK9935NF

Good God NO, just a simple 4 input diseqc-switch, one for
each card, price something like 10-30€ each

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