Re: [Veritas-bu] The NBU FAQ needs you

2008-01-23 Thread Weber, Philip
I'm about to upgrade to 6.5.1. Probably also about to be made redundant; so perhaps I can blame that on 6.5.1 :-O I'm happy to help out with the FAQ. cheers, Phil Phil Weber MBCS Storage Technical Services - Senior UNIX Technologist Business Technology Phone: 01384 26 4136 Mobile:

Re: [Veritas-bu] The NBU FAQ needs you

2008-01-23 Thread Ed Wilts
On Jan 23, 2008 12:44 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Divorced because of upgade to 6? Gosh, what will happen when going to 6.5:-) Saying that, I am not married, but due to be. so maybe I should hold off the upgrade to 6.5 for another year ;-) I'm happy to report

[Veritas-bu] 71 errors

2008-01-23 Thread Weathers, Matt
We recently upgraded to Netbackup 6.5.1. Since the upgrade, we have had some instances of errors backing up the Shadow Copy Components:\ drive. The problem is that Shadow Copy Components:\ is in the exclude list for these clients. Any ideas why it is trying to back this up? I have just noticed

Re: [Veritas-bu] date calculator

2008-01-23 Thread Jeff Lightner
Interesting Solaris 9 answer - works on my HP-UX 11i master as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Jack (Systems Network) Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:47 PM To: Stump, Bob A; veritas-bu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] date calculator

Re: [Veritas-bu] date calculator

2008-01-23 Thread Steve Fogarty
perl -e 'use POSIX qw(strftime);print strftime(localtime($^T+days in seconds)).\n'` Steve On Jan 22, 2008 5:16 PM, Stump, Bob A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how I can recalculate what a date would be if I added 558 days to it? For instance, what date would it be 558 days

Re: [Veritas-bu] date calculator

2008-01-23 Thread Jeff Lightner
Oops - I really shouldn't type before my second cup of coffee. This didn't really work on HP-UX. HP-UX has tusc rather than truss but makes the latter a symlink to the former. It appeared to work because of the hardcoded values used form his truss output. Playing with tusc I didn't see

Re: [Veritas-bu] date calculator

2008-01-23 Thread Steve Fogarty
Oops...get rid of the back tic at the end. perl -e 'use POSIX qw(strftime);print strftime(%m/%d/%Y,localtime($^T+86400)).\n' Steve On Jan 23, 2008 10:12 AM, Steve Fogarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perl -e 'use POSIX qw(strftime);print strftime(localtime($^T+days in seconds)).\n'` Steve

Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup vs. The Rest of the World

2008-01-23 Thread Martin, Jonathan
I don't know very much about HP's Data Protector but I'm confident that Microsoft's DPM isn't up to enterprise class after I evaled it last year. That said, is there a reason you are not considering Commvault? If Netbackup has a competitor in the enterprise space, from my perspective Commvault is

Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring NDMP backups over the network (A Darren Dunham)

2008-01-23 Thread Nick Majeran
Right, NetApp writes in dump, the Celerra will do either dump or tar, and who knows, you may even find some vendors using cpio. One important thing to remember is that, as the backup format for NDMP is strictly platform dependant, so you can't restore your EMC NDMP dumps to a NetApp or vise

Re: [Veritas-bu] UNIX doesn't like windows space

2008-01-23 Thread Rosenkoetter, Gabriel
It's worth noting that the one place neither escaping nor quoting works (in my experience) is in rename files (the argument for -R on bprestore). Unless I'm missing something? -- gabriel rosenkoetter Radian Group Inc, Unix/Linux/VMware Sysadmin / Backup Recovery [EMAIL PROTECTED], 215 231 1556

Re: [Veritas-bu] catalog in nfs mount point

2008-01-23 Thread Nick Majeran
While its certainly not supported, we have our legacy (restores only) catalog, which is currently around 600 GB on NFS, and it's actually faster than the really old SAN disk on which it used to reside. Everything seems to work fine, but I don't know how much I would trust using NFS for a regular

Re: [Veritas-bu] One Client Per Policy

2008-01-23 Thread Holowinski, Scott
That is my current setup. 575 policies and about 500 clients. Some overlap for DB and OS backups. I have also worked in an environment were I put 30+ clients in a policy. I would say that for the initial setup the one client per policy is a pain. But I find that reporting and management

Re: [Veritas-bu] 71 errors

2008-01-23 Thread Ed Wilts
Did you do a custom install and exclude VSP? If not, you should completely uninstall and then re-install without VSP. We've seen a bunch of 71s on the Shadow Copy Components but those were mostly older clients and the errors actually went away once we upgraded the clients to 6.5.1. .../Ed

Re: [Veritas-bu] One Client Per Policy

2008-01-23 Thread Martin, Jonathan
I think the back and forth on this issue has been quite interesting and I'll reserve judgment on the one client per policy option until I've personally tried it, but generally speaking my I.T. policy is KISS - KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. This means (to me) if there is no inherent value in doing

Re: [Veritas-bu] The NBU FAQ needs you

2008-01-23 Thread Randy Samora
That's right Simon, give it some careful consideration. I lost everything but it was my own fault. Everyone always advises Make sure you have a backup. Being the NetBackup proponent that I am, I followed that advice religiously. Apparently that little piece of advice didn't apply to wives J

Re: [Veritas-bu] The NBU FAQ needs you

2008-01-23 Thread Jeff Lightner
Having a backup wife would be frowned upon by the authorities. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Samora Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:25 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Curtis Preston;

[Veritas-bu] piece handles in Oracle RMAN backups..what are t

2008-01-23 Thread Chris_Millet
Ok, but if I build a list from the file lists in each job submitted to the master server during the RMAN backup, I will already have a list of all of the actual data files PLUS a bunch of these piece handle files. The total size is almost 2x the actual database like it is backing up the

Re: [Veritas-bu] 71 errors

2008-01-23 Thread Rosenkoetter, Gabriel
Shouldn't forcing the client to use VSS rather than VSP take care of anything that installing sans VSP would? (That is, `bpclient -client client name -add -WOFB_FIM 1`.) It's definitely preferable to use VSS for 2k3 and above (WindowsNET) clients. Matt, the ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES target includes

Re: [Veritas-bu] 71 errors

2008-01-23 Thread Ed Wilts
On Jan 23, 2008 12:16 PM, Rosenkoetter, Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't forcing the client to use VSS rather than VSP take care of anything that installing sans VSP would? Nope. If you installed VSP, you'll require a reboot when you install updates. Don't install VSP and you

Re: [Veritas-bu] 71 errors

2008-01-23 Thread Rosenkoetter, Gabriel
Okay... but I don't understand what that has to do with Matt's getting error type 71 on streams backing up an excluded Shadow Copy Components target... -- gabriel rosenkoetter Radian Group Inc, Unix/Linux/VMware Sysadmin / Backup Recovery [EMAIL PROTECTED], 215 231 1556 _ From:

[Veritas-bu] Dumping Activity Info to file

2008-01-23 Thread Brooks, Jason
I'm looking at dumping the activity monitor data I examine daily to a flat file, scripted. So, I started looking through the Commands reference for NBU 6.5 - Windows and am now playing with bpdbjobs. Here's what I'm using now: C:\bpdbjobs.exe -report -M Master -most_columns -file

Re: [Veritas-bu] 71 errors

2008-01-23 Thread Ed Wilts
On Jan 23, 2008 7:03 AM, Weathers, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We recently upgraded to Netbackup 6.5.1. Since the upgrade, we have had some instances of errors backing up the Shadow Copy Components:\ drive. The problem is that Shadow Copy Components:\ is in the exclude list for these

Re: [Veritas-bu] Dumping Activity Info to file

2008-01-23 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 02:02:05PM -0500, Brooks, Jason wrote: C:\bpdbjobs.exe -report -M Master -most_columns -file D:\temp\jobs.txt What I'm recording now are the following, per day: Average job time Error Count Sum of KB Backed up Is there a way to munge the output so that it'll

Re: [Veritas-bu] Dumping Activity Info to file

2008-01-23 Thread Brooks, Jason
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A Darren Dunham Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:28 PM To: Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Dumping Activity Info to file On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 02:02:05PM -0500,

Re: [Veritas-bu] One Client Per Policy

2008-01-23 Thread Curtis Preston
As long as you realize that I'm just respectfully discussing and not trying to be argumentative, I'll continue to respond. I do think you should do what makes sense to you. If my approach doesn't make sense to you, then by all means don't use it. I completely agree with KISS, but I think my

Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup vs. The Rest of the World

2008-01-23 Thread Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills)
Funny you asked the question as I am going thru the same procedure. DPM is really targeted to the smaller - midsize environment they are by no means an enterprise backup / recovery tool. Gartner group has CommVault and Symantec rated as one two respectively. DPM has it's limitation such as it

Re: [Veritas-bu] catalog in nfs mount point

2008-01-23 Thread Dominik Pietrzykowski
I have not heard of anyone doing it and from what I've seen it would be an insane idea !!! We have tried to use it for other things and the performance is bad !!! I believe any other decent storage array ie SAN, disk tray or box full of monkeys chipping away at stone tablets would be much better

Re: [Veritas-bu] catalog in nfs mount point

2008-01-23 Thread Dominik Pietrzykowski
The final nail on that coffin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2008 9:20 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] catalog in nfs mount point Anybody put their NetBackup

Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring NDMP backups over the network (A DarrenDunham)

2008-01-23 Thread Jeff Cleverley
I understand the way things are written to tape much better now and can see that we probably would not be able to restore a tape to a non-ndmp system such as a hpux server. The solution we are looking at would only be needed until the data retention period for existing backups expire. We

Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup vs. The Rest of the World

2008-01-23 Thread Jimmy Simonelli
I concur on everything Cruicer said about DPM. It's a decent product designed for ALL-Windows shops. It's now been enhanced to support Exchange and SQL Server (last I heard), but it will never support anything on Unix. But for an all-Windows shop that's reasonably-sized, it's actually pretty

Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring NDMP backups over the network (ADarrenDunham)

2008-01-23 Thread Curtis Preston
If you've got a Unix server, you can mount that tape on a Unix-connected tape drive and read NetApp's dump format (after you manually manipulate the tape to get to the right spot). But you won't be able to properly restore any Windows ACLs, as NetApp wrote a custom dump format to store them. (As

Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring NDMP backups over the network

2008-01-23 Thread Nick Majeran
Yep, that's it, at least from my understanding. We used to be an all NetApp shop here, and have since switched to all EMC Celerra. We have to keep a small NetApp around just for restores of this data, which do occur occasionally. AFAIK, I don't think Netbackup actually writes anything Netbackup

Re: [Veritas-bu] piece handles in Oracle RMAN backups..what are t

2008-01-23 Thread Mark.Donaldson
That seems strange, I'm not sure you should have straight filenames from RMAN, at least on a hot backup, just pieces. Is this a cold image? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris_Millet Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:37 AM To:

[Veritas-bu] Netbackup 6 MP4, catalog backups stealing tape from scratch pool

2008-01-23 Thread Wilkinson, Tim
Hi, I've noticed that on occasion, the NBU hot catalog ('NBU-catalog' type policy) backups seem to not use the tapes in the CatalogBackup volume pool and grabs a tape from the scratch pool. There are 2 LTO3 tapes in that pool (CatalogBackup) specifically for catalog backups and I don't think

Re: [Veritas-bu] One Client Per Policy

2008-01-23 Thread tim burlowski
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring NDMP backups over the network

2008-01-23 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:37:01PM -0600, Nick Majeran wrote: AFAIK, I don't think Netbackup actually writes anything Netbackup specific to the headers of NDMP tapes, as the tape drives are controlled by the filer during the time of backup / restore. I believe all that Netbackup does is just

Re: [Veritas-bu] The NBU FAQ needs you

2008-01-23 Thread WEAVER, Simon (external)
Well maybe I will duplicate my girlfriend, put her in a safe, and try to upgrade. Then if things go wrong, put it all back, import the girlfriend from the safe, and she will be none the wiser :-) Simon -Original Message- From: Randy Samora [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]