Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
For legal holds I just use bpduplicate to a pool called Legal with a different retention. It's just a couple-times-per-year action for us. From: Brian J. Greenberg [mailto:br...@gsysd.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:29 PM To: Donaldson, Mark Cc: Mark Glazerman; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods Mark, For a single instance, I agree. For organizations that are constantly changing retention of data and need to keep track of the original expiration dates and manage shared data, especially for legal holds, it's an excellent solution. Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com http://gsysd.com/ 312.242.1840 http://gsysd.com http://gsysd.com/images/twitter_sm.png Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/bjgreenberg Follow GSD on Twitter http://twitter.com/gsysd http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjgreenberg On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Donaldson, Mark wrote: That's kind of an expensive way to avoid typing one command. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Brian J. Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:21 PM To: Mark Glazerman Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods You can also use Data Manager http://gsysd.com/gsd/GSD_-_Data_Manager.html to accomplish this. It's designed for legal holds but does exactly what you want to do too. Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com http://gsysd.com/ 312.242.1840 http://gsysd.com http://gsysd.com/images/twitter_sm.png Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/bjgreenberg Follow GSD on Twitter http://twitter.com/gsysd http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjgreenberg On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Mark Glazerman wrote: We've had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won't expire before it can be used. Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this policy ? Essentially I'm trying to work out if this change will be applied retro-actively to existing backup images ? Thanks, Mark Glazerman Enterprise Storage Administrator Spartech Corporation Desk: 314-889-8282 Fax: 314-854-8282 Cell: 618-520-3401 mark.glazer...@spartech.com mailto:mark.glazer...@spartech.com http://www.spartech.com http://www.spartech.com/ P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, are intended solely for the use of the addressee, and may be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately, and do not copy or forward it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
Hi Mark, I've seen a lot of companies use this method and for some it kinda works but they tend to run into legal and administration problems. Usually, they end up with a Legal pool with hundreds or thousands of tapes in it and don't know which ones they can purge nor who put them there. All those tapes then are discoverable in a lawsuit exposing the company to a lot of risk. Additionally, ensuring that the images don't expire before the legal matter goes away becomes a problem too, and any time a legal matter does go away, it's hard to know what images can be reset to their original expiration date, what it was and what images might be needed by another legal matter. Data Manager solves these problems by maintaining a database that maintains the original expiration date of the images, what legal holds they are in, if they are shared between multiple legal holds (called cascading legal holds), who created the legal hold and when and has the ability to release the data back to their original expiration dates without effecting data that's shared in another legal hold. DM also provides you with a report you can present to the lawyers and the courts showing that you preserved the data as well as a running financial impact report it's having on your company. Brian J. Greenberg b...@acm.org http://briangreenberg.net 312.242.1840 Follow me on Twitter On Apr 29, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Donaldson, Mark wrote: For legal holds I just use bpduplicate to a pool called Legal with a different retention. It's just a couple-times-per-year action for us. From: Brian J. Greenberg [mailto:br...@gsysd.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:29 PM To: Donaldson, Mark Cc: Mark Glazerman; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods Mark, For a single instance, I agree. For organizations that are constantly changing retention of data and need to keep track of the original expiration dates and manage shared data, especially for legal holds, it's an excellent solution. Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com 312.242.1840 Follow me on Twitter Follow GSD on Twitter On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Donaldson, Mark wrote: That's kind of an expensive way to avoid typing one command. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Brian J. Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:21 PM To: Mark Glazerman Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods You can also use Data Manager to accomplish this. It's designed for legal holds but does exactly what you want to do too. Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com 312.242.1840 Follow me on Twitter Follow GSD on Twitter On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Mark Glazerman wrote: We’ve had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won’t expire before it can be used. Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this policy ? Essentially I’m trying to work out if this change will be applied retro-actively to existing backup images ? Thanks, Mark Glazerman Enterprise Storage Administrator Spartech Corporation Desk: 314-889-8282 Fax: 314-854-8282 Cell: 618-520-3401 mark.glazer...@spartech.com http://www.spartech.com P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, are intended solely for the use of the addressee, and may be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately, and do not copy or forward it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com 312.242.1840 Follow me on Twitter Follow GSD on Twitter ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
That's kind of an expensive way to avoid typing one command. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Brian J. Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:21 PM To: Mark Glazerman Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods You can also use Data Manager http://gsysd.com/gsd/GSD_-_Data_Manager.html to accomplish this. It's designed for legal holds but does exactly what you want to do too. Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com http://gsysd.com/ 312.242.1840 http://gsysd.com http://gsysd.com/images/twitter_sm.png Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/bjgreenberg Follow GSD on Twitter http://twitter.com/gsysd http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjgreenberg On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Mark Glazerman wrote: We've had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won't expire before it can be used. Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this policy ? Essentially I'm trying to work out if this change will be applied retro-actively to existing backup images ? Thanks, Mark Glazerman Enterprise Storage Administrator Spartech Corporation Desk: 314-889-8282 Fax: 314-854-8282 Cell: 618-520-3401 mark.glazer...@spartech.com mailto:mark.glazer...@spartech.com http://www.spartech.com http://www.spartech.com/ P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, are intended solely for the use of the addressee, and may be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately, and do not copy or forward it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
Mark, For a single instance, I agree. For organizations that are constantly changing retention of data and need to keep track of the original expiration dates and manage shared data, especially for legal holds, it's an excellent solution. Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com 312.242.1840 Follow me on Twitter Follow GSD on Twitter On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Donaldson, Mark wrote: That's kind of an expensive way to avoid typing one command. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Brian J. Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:21 PM To: Mark Glazerman Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods You can also use Data Manager to accomplish this. It's designed for legal holds but does exactly what you want to do too. Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com 312.242.1840 Follow me on Twitter Follow GSD on Twitter On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Mark Glazerman wrote: We’ve had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won’t expire before it can be used. Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this policy ? Essentially I’m trying to work out if this change will be applied retro-actively to existing backup images ? Thanks, Mark Glazerman Enterprise Storage Administrator Spartech Corporation Desk: 314-889-8282 Fax: 314-854-8282 Cell: 618-520-3401 mark.glazer...@spartech.com http://www.spartech.com P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, are intended solely for the use of the addressee, and may be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately, and do not copy or forward it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
We've had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won't expire before it can be used. Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this policy ? Essentially I'm trying to work out if this change will be applied retro-actively to existing backup images ? Thanks, Mark Glazerman Enterprise Storage Administrator Spartech Corporation Desk: 314-889-8282 Fax: 314-854-8282 Cell: 618-520-3401 mark.glazer...@spartech.com mailto:mark.glazer...@spartech.com http://www.spartech.com http://www.spartech.com/ P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, are intended solely for the use of the addressee, and may be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately, and do not copy or forward it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Mark Glazerman mark.glazer...@spartech.com wrote: We’ve had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won’t expire before it can be used. Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this policy ? You need to change the expiration of the images that are already written - changing the policy won't do anything for you. Use bpexpdate to change the expiration date of existing images. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE ewi...@ewilts.org Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
You will need to use bpexpdate with the recalculate switch to change existing backups. You can do it by client name. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Glazerman Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:18 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods We've had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won't expire before it can be used. Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this policy ? Essentially I'm trying to work out if this change will be applied retro-actively to existing backup images ? Thanks, Mark Glazerman Enterprise Storage Administrator Spartech Corporation Desk: 314-889-8282 Fax: 314-854-8282 Cell: 618-520-3401 mark.glazer...@spartech.com mailto:mark.glazer...@spartech.com http://www.spartech.com http://www.spartech.com/ P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, are intended solely for the use of the addressee, and may be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately, and do not copy or forward it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
Mark Glazerman wrote:
We’ve had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one
of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won’t expire
before it can be used.
Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the
retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will
this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this
policy ?
Essentially I’m trying to work out if this change will be applied
retro-actively to existing backup images ?
I see others have already mentioned bpexpdate.
An example of one way:
Netbackup - modify retention level on the two most recent weekly full
backups.
#
# find dates of last two fulls. (actually, change already made here.)
#
# bpimagelist -U -client prism -st Full -d 04/01/09 -e 05/15/09 | more
Backed Up Expires Files KB C Sched Type Policy
-- -
05/04/2009 20:25 INFINITY53176 29575993 N Full Backup Windows_NT
05/04/2009 20:25 INFINITY 7 19 N Full Backup Windows_NT
05/04/2009 20:20 INFINITY 11 1351598 N Full Backup Windows_NT
05/04/2009 20:15 INFINITY 10 3096215 N Full Backup Windows_NT
05/04/2009 20:15 INFINITY 2753 308894 N Full Backup Windows_NT
05/04/2009 20:13 INFINITY 9154 900095 N Full Backup Windows_NT
04/27/2009 20:11 INFINITY 52294 29103832 N Full Backup Windows_NT
04/27/2009 20:11 INFINITY7 19 N Full Backup Windows_NT
04/27/2009 20:11 INFINITY 11 1351598 N Full Backup Windows_NT
04/27/2009 20:10 INFINITY 10 3096215 N Full Backup Windows_NT
04/27/2009 20:08 INFINITY 2752 308534 N Full Backup Windows_NT
04/27/2009 20:00 INFINITY 9154 82 N Full Backup Windows_NT
snip
#
# find Weekly_Full images for a day
#
# bpimagelist -policy Windows_NT -d 05/04/09 -e 05/04/09 | grep -i prism
| grep Weekly_Full | awk '{ print $6 }' | more
prism_1241483118
prism_1241483100
prism_1241482818
prism_1241482532
prism_1241482519
prism_1241482420
#
# did any backups spill over to the next day? no.
#
# bpimagelist -policy Windows_NT -d 05/05/09 -e 05/05/09 | grep -i
prism | grep Weekly_Full | awk '{ print $6 }'
#
#
# for each image, change the retention level to infinity (9)
#
# bpexpdate -recalculate -backupid prism_1241483118 -ret 9
Are you SURE you want to recalculate expiration dates on all images
that meet the following criteria:
backupid prism_1241483118
retention will be changed to 9(infinity)
Continue?(y/n)y
#
# did any incrementals run on this day? no.
#
# bpimagelist -policy Windows_NT -d 05/04/09 -e 05/04/09 | grep -i prism
| grep Daily_Incr | more
#
#
# list tapes used for that day. we know they are fulls.
#
# bpimmedia -client prism -d 05/04/09 -e 05/04/09 | cut -d -f9 |
sort -nr | uniq | /usr/xpg4/bin/grep -E [A-Z]+
QXX888
QXX878
QXX857
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing backup retention periods
You can also use Data Manager to accomplish this. It's designed for legal holds but does exactly what you want to do too. Brian J. Greenberg General System Dynamics LLC br...@gsysd.com http://gsysd.com 312.242.1840 Follow me on Twitter Follow GSD on Twitter On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Mark Glazerman wrote: We’ve had a request to extend the retention period on backups from one of our hosts so that data needed for some troubleshooting won’t expire before it can be used. Currently the retention period for this data is 1 week. If I change the retention period in the policy that backed up this data to 2 weeks, will this change be applied to both future and past backups handled by this policy ? Essentially I’m trying to work out if this change will be applied retro-actively to existing backup images ? Thanks, Mark Glazerman Enterprise Storage Administrator Spartech Corporation Desk: 314-889-8282 Fax: 314-854-8282 Cell: 618-520-3401 mark.glazer...@spartech.com http://www.spartech.com P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, are intended solely for the use of the addressee, and may be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately, and do not copy or forward it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
