Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
Capacity too expensive, but I wish we could :-(( -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of mitch808 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:50 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. No no! It's an Enterprise Client based on a Tier level per physically populated socket Tier 1 =1CPU Tier 2 = 2-3 CPU Tier 3 = 4 etc. (Something like that at least...) Again, populated sockets only! Core counts make no difference. This covers UNLIMITED guests. You can carve out any number of vCPU's you want. The Enterprise client for the physical host covers it all! If they are charging for physical hosts and virtual guests, they are ripping you off and doing it wrong. Again, look into Capacity licensing, and it could be simpler for you. Especially since you use quad CPU boxes. +-- |This was sent by mnab...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
You can also look into capacity licensing too. This way, you ignore all the client agents and App DB packs and tiers, etc... While capacity licensing is not cheap, the more you virtualize, the more you move into multi-socket boxes, the choice makes sense. As an example a quad-CPU box and a Db virtualized.. Thats an enterprise server, and enterprise client and a App Db pack that is what all Tier 3. big Go capacity based, and it's just a fixed price per TB you are protecting. You should see if they can convert your licenses, and add net new to it, to make it based on the data you are trying to protect (Front-end TB licensing). It could come out cheaper. +-- |This was sent by mnab...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
Just a quick follow-on to what mitch808 said, in that the Nbu Clt App and DB Pk is also priced on a per physical server basis now as opposed to per guest basis. So with some reorganization of you're guests down to fewer physical servers you could probably drop the licensing costs down a bit. -John On 05/26/2011 05:51 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) wrote: HEre is the problem I have... We have in excess of 30+ ESX Hosts, all have 4 CPU's We also have SQL Clusters, Oracle, Exchange, SAP, on VM and you also need to be licensed for them, and from the comments of the Sales guy, I needed a price for each DB Client too ! It has added up to a huge bill ! Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of mitch808 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:49 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Symantec changed the licensing where if you had 10 Windows guests and 10 Linux guests, you USED to need two Enterprise Client licenses. This was a 6.5 limitation. In NBU 7, no longer. Way to go, finally something right in licensing. It's an Enterprise Client per PHYSICAL host, regardless of guest OS type. This is licensed per physical CPU or tier. Because you have Enterprise clients, you need to have an Enterprise master and enterprise media servers. Again per CPU/tier, and that price adds up. Point being, buy as many cores as you can afford! Don't buy a quad CPU box. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
Symantec changed the licensing where if you had 10 Windows guests and 10 Linux guests, you USED to need two Enterprise Client licenses. This was a 6.5 limitation. In NBU 7, no longer. Way to go, finally something right in licensing. It's an Enterprise Client per PHYSICAL host, regardless of guest OS type. This is licensed per physical CPU or tier. Because you have Enterprise clients, you need to have an Enterprise master and enterprise media servers. Again per CPU/tier, and that price adds up. Point being, buy as many cores as you can afford! Don't buy a quad CPU box. +-- |This was sent by mnab...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
HEre is the problem I have... We have in excess of 30+ ESX Hosts, all have 4 CPU's We also have SQL Clusters, Oracle, Exchange, SAP, on VM and you also need to be licensed for them, and from the comments of the Sales guy, I needed a price for each DB Client too ! It has added up to a huge bill ! Simon -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of mitch808 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:49 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup. Symantec changed the licensing where if you had 10 Windows guests and 10 Linux guests, you USED to need two Enterprise Client licenses. This was a 6.5 limitation. In NBU 7, no longer. Way to go, finally something right in licensing. It's an Enterprise Client per PHYSICAL host, regardless of guest OS type. This is licensed per physical CPU or tier. Because you have Enterprise clients, you need to have an Enterprise master and enterprise media servers. Again per CPU/tier, and that price adds up. Point being, buy as many cores as you can afford! Don't buy a quad CPU box. +-- |This was sent by mnab...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
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[Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far: 1) You deploy a vmware backup host which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients. (linux as of 7.1) Still no granular file restore from solaris from what I have gathered. I've heard mixed results from people using this but overall it seems orders of magnitude better than the older VCB method. If your ESX datastores are on SAN there are some even better methods of backing of your vmware environments. Unfortunately we are on NAS at my current shop. +-- |This was sent by chuck.car...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
What piece is expensive? yea I agree their software is way overpriced and I'm not impressed with how they license the sub components and their support is way overpriced compared to the response times and quality of support. I actually have a long term plan to move to Commvault. I've noticed a consistent decline over the passed 2 years with quality of support, speed at which cases are resolved, response times to sev 1 and 2's, etc... I've almost lost confidence in them to even support some of their newer, more advanced features. +-- |This was sent by chuck.car...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
