Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 /Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Ed Wilts]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Martin, Jonathan wrote:
>
>
>
>  I, and many other members of this forum work on quasi-supported or
> completely unsupported systems every day. We understand the risks involved,
> we take necessary precautions, and often we succeed.
>

And many other times, people do this and have absolutely no clue what
they're doing, why they did it, how to undo what they did, and are
absolutely shocked to discover that not only are they unsupported, they've
really shot themselves in one foot, reloaded, and fired again.  They may
have corrupted their catalog or had to throw away days of backup information
because of something absolutely stupid that they have done.  They don't read
the manuals and can't find the technotes.  Google is beyond them.  I believe
that you're not normally in that group, but it's a large group and
unfortunately you're probably in the minority.

And that was the kind answer :-)

   .../Ed
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Ed Wilts]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Martin, Jonathan wrote:

>  Yes Ed, from your many posts we all understand that your situation allows
> you infinite time for testing, retesting, and more testing.
>
I have a very, very large department of testers at my disposal.  They just
happen to work for Symantec and they test a LOT more things than I could
ever hope to test.  It's not quite infinite, but hundreds of them outnumber
the 3 of us on our storage team.

> Kudos. I suspect you work for the government,
>
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ed+wilts+netbackup

The first link returned will show that you're wrong.  Again.

Cheers,

   .../Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 /Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Martin, Jonathan]

I'm sorry Ed, for my testy response. I didn't mean to attack you
personally.

 

I simply meant to express that I, and many other members of this forum
work on quasi-supported or completely unsupported systems every day. We
understand the risks involved, we take necessary precautions, and often
we succeed. So while I can appreciate that calling Symantec with an
unsupported configuration might put your situation in a bind, such a
situation might be completely acceptable to someone else.

 

-Jonathan

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Martin, Jonathan]

Yes Ed, from your many posts we all understand that your situation
allows you infinite time for testing, retesting, and more testing.
Kudos. I suspect you work for the government, probably never cross the
street, except at a crosswalk. However I work in a situation where this
is an acceptable shortcut, especially given that you have a untouched
rock solid back out plan (put the original master back into place.) I'll
try and remember to disclaimer my comments in the future "This won't
appease Ed Wilts' management, but for the rest of you it's ok." in the
future.

 

-Jonathan

 

From: Ed Wilts [mailto:ewi...@ewilts.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:47 PM
To: Martin, Jonathan
Cc: Glen Vassileff; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 /
Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Martin, Jonathan
 wrote:

Good point, however I suspect it would work. My testing with 2008 and
2008 R2 shows the OS are similar, with the exception of system state
backups (new API by Microsoft required in R2).  If he was going to R2 I
suppose you could build a 3rd 2008 server, restore to that and then
repeat to get to R2. I guess it depends on how much testing you are
willing to commit to make the solution happen.

 

There's a big difference between "I suspect it would work" and "it's
supported by the vendor".  Do you KNOW what will happen if you log a
call on your Windows 2008 R2 6.5.x master server?  Are you going to be
satisfied with them telling you to downgrade away from R2 or upgrading
to NUB 7.0 before they help you?  Is your management happy with
"suspect" and "guess"?  I know mine wouldn't be.

   .../Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Ed Wilts]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Martin, Jonathan wrote:

>  Good point, however I suspect it would work. My testing with 2008 and
> 2008 R2 shows the OS are similar, with the exception of system state backups
> (new API by Microsoft required in R2).  If he was going to R2 I suppose you
> could build a 3rd 2008 server, restore to that and then repeat to get to
> R2. I guess it depends on how much testing you are willing to commit to make
> the solution happen.
>

There's a big difference between "I suspect it would work" and "it's
supported by the vendor".  Do you KNOW what will happen if you log a call on
your Windows 2008 R2 6.5.x master server?  Are you going to be satisfied
with them telling you to downgrade away from R2 or upgrading to NUB 7.0
before they help you?  Is your management happy with "suspect" and "guess"?
I know mine wouldn't be.

   .../Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Martin, Jonathan]

Good point, however I suspect it would work. My testing with 2008 and
2008 R2 shows the OS are similar, with the exception of system state
backups (new API by Microsoft required in R2).  If he was going to R2 I
suppose you could build a 3rd 2008 server, restore to that and then
repeat to get to R2. I guess it depends on how much testing you are
willing to commit to make the solution happen.

 

Good luck!

 

-Jonathan

 

From: Ed Wilts [mailto:ewi...@ewilts.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:28 AM
To: Martin, Jonathan
Cc: Glen Vassileff; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 /
Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Martin, Jonathan <
jmart...@intersil.com> wrote:

Are you going to Windows 2008 R2 or Windows 2008? If you are going to
Windows 2008 R2 you need to upgrade to 6.5.5 (for compatibility
reasons).


Almost but not quite.  6.5.5 does NOT support Windows 2008 R2 as a
SERVER - only as a CLIENT.  If you want to run a Windows 2008 R2 master
server or media server, you need to be running NetBackup 7.0.
Furthermore, the Windows 2008 servers must be running on x64, not x86 or
ia64.

The OS compatibility lists are your friends.  
http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/NBUESVR_digest.htm

   .../Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Ed Wilts]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Martin, Jonathan wrote:

> Are you going to Windows 2008 R2 or Windows 2008? If you are going to
> Windows 2008 R2 you need to upgrade to 6.5.5 (for compatibility
> reasons).
>

Almost but not quite.  6.5.5 does NOT support Windows 2008 R2 as a SERVER -
only as a CLIENT.  If you want to run a Windows 2008 R2 master server or
media server, you need to be running NetBackup 7.0.  Furthermore, the
Windows 2008 servers must be running on x64, not x86 or ia64.

The OS compatibility lists are your friends.
http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/NBUESVR_digest.htm

   .../Ed

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Martin, Jonathan]

Are you going to Windows 2008 R2 or Windows 2008? If you are going to
Windows 2008 R2 you need to upgrade to 6.5.5 (for compatibility
reasons).

My upgrade path would look something like:

1. Run consistency check per NBU 7.0 Upgrade instructions.
http://support.veritas.com/docs/340464
2. Create hot catalog backup of original master.
3. Install NetBackup 6.5.5 on new master (NetBackup 6.5.3 for non-R2).
4. Restore hot catalog backup to new master. (Might want to run another
consistency check here.)
5. Upgrade new master to 7.0

That could take a while depending on your catalog size, but if anything
goes wrong along the way you can always go back to your original master.

-Jonathan


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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:51 PM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 /
Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

Hi Experts

We are looking at options to upgrade existing NBU 6.5.3 environment with

Win 2003 Master to NBU 7.
The easiest would obviously be  straight upgrade. But we'd also like to 
upgrade Win 2003 to 2008 (by doing fresh install) at the same time. NBU 
6.5 is currently installed onto a separate drive.

If we are to re-install everything from scratch ...
1. Is it possible to import 6.5.3 database straight into NBU 7?
2. Do we need to restore registry entries?
3. Will installing NBU 7 binaries on top of 6.5 do the trick (as the 
exisiting version is on a separate disk and will not be touched by Win 
2008 upgrade) ? I wonder if NBU install program will realise this is 
actually an upgrade (though registry entries are not present).

Regards

Glen


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Nicholas]

I guess this is the best way for doing this (maybe the only way)
I had problems in the past while trying to recover a 6.5.3 catalog into 
a 6.5.4 master server. There were some schema changes in the nbu 
database in 6.5.4 and I had to rollback to 6.5.3.1, do the catalog 
recover and then upgrade to 6.5.4


Em 24/3/2010 09:25, Sekhon Simrat S. escreveu:
> We are in the same situation. Restoring 6.5.3 catalog in NB 7.0 did not work 
> for me. I haven't found any documents with the steps to restore 6.5.3 catalog 
> to NB 7.0.
> Our NB 6.5.3 server is actually on Windows 2003 R2 x86.
> I have tested the following in the test lab. Keeping the same name for NB 
> server is important.
>
> 1. We were able to install 6.5.3 on a fresh install of Windows 2008 x 86 
> (same name as production) and then install NB 6.5.3 on the 2008 server. (Yes 
> you can install 6.5.3 master/media on win 2008 x86 even though it is not 
> support by Symantec) 2. Import 6.5.3 catalog from the production server into 
> the test 6.5.3 installed on Windows 2008 x 86.
> 3. After the catalog import is successful, you will need to upgrade NB 6.5.3 
> on Windows 2008 x 86 to NB 7.0 using 7.0 media. Yes NB 7.0 will detect this 
> as an upgrade and will upgrade 6.5.3 to 7.0.
> 4. Now you are left with NB 7.0 installed on Windows 2008 x86. You will need 
> to backup this catalog.
> 5. Intall Windows 2008 R2 x64 for production. Install a fresh copy of NB 7.0 
> and restore the catalog you created in the test lab install of Windows 2008 
> x86.
>
> This has worked for us in test.
>
>
> Thanks
> Simrat
>
> -Original Message-
> From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
> [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Marianne Van 
> Den Berg
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:02 AM
> To: Glen Vassileff; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / 
> Upgrade with fresh O/S&  NBU install steps
>
> I do not believe it will work.
>
> Use this TechNote as guideline:
> http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/337969.htm
>
> Regards
>
> M.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Glen
> Vassileff
> Sent: 24 March 2010 04:51 AM
> To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 /
> Upgrade with fresh O/S&  NBU install steps
>
> Hi Experts
>
> We are looking at options to upgrade existing NBU 6.5.3 environment with
>
> Win 2003 Master to NBU 7.
> The easiest would obviously be  straight upgrade. But we'd also like to
> upgrade Win 2003 to 2008 (by doing fresh install) at the same time. NBU
> 6.5 is currently installed onto a separate drive.
>
> If we are to re-install everything from scratch ...
> 1. Is it possible to import 6.5.3 database straight into NBU 7?
> 2. Do we need to restore registry entries?
> 3. Will installing NBU 7 binaries on top of 6.5 do the trick (as the
> exisiting version is on a separate disk and will not be touched by Win
> 2008 upgrade) ? I wonder if NBU install program will realise this is
> actually an upgrade (though registry entries are not present).
>
> Regards
>
> Glen
>
>
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Sekhon Simrat S .]

We are in the same situation. Restoring 6.5.3 catalog in NB 7.0 did not work 
for me. I haven't found any documents with the steps to restore 6.5.3 catalog 
to NB 7.0.
Our NB 6.5.3 server is actually on Windows 2003 R2 x86. 
I have tested the following in the test lab. Keeping the same name for NB 
server is important.

1. We were able to install 6.5.3 on a fresh install of Windows 2008 x 86 (same 
name as production) and then install NB 6.5.3 on the 2008 server. (Yes you can 
install 6.5.3 master/media on win 2008 x86 even though it is not support by 
Symantec) 2. Import 6.5.3 catalog from the production server into the test 
6.5.3 installed on Windows 2008 x 86.
3. After the catalog import is successful, you will need to upgrade NB 6.5.3 on 
Windows 2008 x 86 to NB 7.0 using 7.0 media. Yes NB 7.0 will detect this as an 
upgrade and will upgrade 6.5.3 to 7.0.
4. Now you are left with NB 7.0 installed on Windows 2008 x86. You will need to 
backup this catalog.
5. Intall Windows 2008 R2 x64 for production. Install a fresh copy of NB 7.0 
and restore the catalog you created in the test lab install of Windows 2008 x86.

This has worked for us in test.


Thanks
Simrat

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[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Marianne Van 
Den Berg
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:02 AM
To: Glen Vassileff; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade 
with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

I do not believe it will work.

Use this TechNote as guideline:
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/337969.htm

Regards

M.

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Sent: 24 March 2010 04:51 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 /
Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

Hi Experts

We are looking at options to upgrade existing NBU 6.5.3 environment with

Win 2003 Master to NBU 7.
The easiest would obviously be  straight upgrade. But we'd also like to 
upgrade Win 2003 to 2008 (by doing fresh install) at the same time. NBU 
6.5 is currently installed onto a separate drive.

If we are to re-install everything from scratch ...
1. Is it possible to import 6.5.3 database straight into NBU 7?
2. Do we need to restore registry entries?
3. Will installing NBU 7 binaries on top of 6.5 do the trick (as the 
exisiting version is on a separate disk and will not be touched by Win 
2008 upgrade) ? I wonder if NBU install program will realise this is 
actually an upgrade (though registry entries are not present).

Regards

Glen


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 / Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

[Marianne Van Den Berg]

I do not believe it will work.

Use this TechNote as guideline:
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/337969.htm

Regards

M.

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Sent: 24 March 2010 04:51 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can NBU 6.5 database be imported into NBU 7 /
Upgrade with fresh O/S & NBU install steps

Hi Experts

We are looking at options to upgrade existing NBU 6.5.3 environment with

Win 2003 Master to NBU 7.
The easiest would obviously be  straight upgrade. But we'd also like to 
upgrade Win 2003 to 2008 (by doing fresh install) at the same time. NBU 
6.5 is currently installed onto a separate drive.

If we are to re-install everything from scratch ...
1. Is it possible to import 6.5.3 database straight into NBU 7?
2. Do we need to restore registry entries?
3. Will installing NBU 7 binaries on top of 6.5 do the trick (as the 
exisiting version is on a separate disk and will not be touched by Win 
2008 upgrade) ? I wonder if NBU install program will realise this is 
actually an upgrade (though registry entries are not present).

Regards

Glen


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