Re: [VFB] Fuel prices and contamination- I am spoiled
Gang, are you allwed to go _that_ fast to your fishing spots? G Rene -Original Message- Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 03:49:52 +0200 Subject: RE: [VFB] Fuel prices and contamination- I am spoiled From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Your truck only goes 75 MPH? THAT'S a hardship... FROM: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] ON BEHALF OF Don Ordes SENT: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:15 PM TO: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com SUBJECT: [VFB] Fuel prices and contamination- I am spoiled I've often wondered what it would be like to live in a horse and buggy community, like the Amish. Anyone know the pros and cons- like really ? I am spoiled- love my truck heater and AC as I travel, and my tunes, and my heated seat, and 75mph, and 4wd, and 4 hours to Denver, 10 min. to the ER, and the ability to hop in the truck and drive 2000 miles to the Keys, and... DonO - Original Message - FROM: Chuck Alexander [1] TO: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [2] SENT: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:56 PM SUBJECT: Re: [VFB] Coal Bed Methane (CBM), how to make a choice... Yep... It's like prisons. We ALL want the bad guys locked up, just NOT in our communities, Chuck - Original Message - FROM: Don Ordes [3] TO: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [4] SENT: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:59 PM SUBJECT: Re: [VFB] Coal Bed Methane (CBM), how to make a choice... Neville, I understand totally. This is not a political debate, but a reality we all face and have caused by living in a technological age. As long as we operate vehicles and heat our homes (and AC them), we are going to need sources of power. This is what it's all about. No one, including me, wants to see the the sacrifice of our land and liviability surrendered to the unscruplous and loosely handled operations of the greedy energy conglomerates and Wall St. We all want it, but 'over there, not here'. That's what's driving the whole industry to look for alternte fuels and sources of power. So now in Wyoming we have huge windmill farms that are just as bad as CBM (or logging was) for desecrating the landscapes and horizons. They have to have roads, maintenance crews, distribution lines, etc., and all this messes with the enviornment. No one wants dams anymore, so tear them down. Coal companies fund those efforts. No one wants oil or natural gas operations, especially near them. Obvious reasons, as Neville stated. No one wants the pollution of coal-fired power plants, although with proper scrubbing, they're much better than they used to be. (But electric cars will be needed to make use of the transportation capabilities.) Solar power is an option for generating electricity, but decades from meaningful contributions (like windmills). Geothermal is being done, but too few places, and most of them parks. Volcanoes are a good source of power, but are problemmatical and usually require human sacrifice. (lol) Here they want to take the windmills down in lieu of scenery and the environment. Bio-fuels are expensive to produce, like ethanol, and this has come under fire for corruption and inefficiency. Some local waste-gas systems are efficient, but don't affect the big problems, not yet anyway. Hydrogen may be a way, but it is very problemmatical. Offshore methane hydrate deposits may have more btu's locked up than all the other sources on earth combined, but it is very hard to reach and expensive to get to the surface. We don't even have the technology yet to get it, but some proposals are out there. I say slurry- we'll see. If we can harness lightning, that could be a source, but again, is decades from reality. Nuclear Energy is making a comeback (as GB would say- 'nucular'), but that has it's risks, too. Do you want to live downwind of one? Wood-burning in fireplaces is banned in cities all over the country because of smoke pollution. So, in the big picture, what's working against your favorite fishing and recreating areas? Demand and control. We demand and they control. 'We' are the users and 'they' are the providers (along with the 'parasites' of the providers). Everyone who has their hand in the fuel-till is a parasite of the provider, and the provider is a parasite of the land. Even if one is an energy investor, he has a responsibility for the harm done. So a portion of every dollar you spend on fuel is used to wreck your environment (or their's), and then line the pockets of rich
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Re: [VFB] Fuel prices and contamination- I am spoiled
That's all we'll admit to, even to the cop. Buggs - Original Message - From: rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Fuel prices and contamination- I am spoiled Gang, are you allwed to go _that_ fast to your fishing spots? G Rene -Original Message- Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 03:49:52 +0200 Subject: RE: [VFB] Fuel prices and contamination- I am spoiled From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Your truck only goes 75 MPH? THAT'S a hardship... FROM: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] ON BEHALF OF Don Ordes SENT: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:15 PM TO: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com SUBJECT: [VFB] Fuel prices and contamination- I am spoiled I've often wondered what it would be like to live in a horse and buggy community, like the Amish. Anyone know the pros and cons- like really ? I am spoiled- love my truck heater and AC as I travel, and my tunes, and my heated seat, and 75mph, and 4wd, and 4 hours to Denver, 10 min. to the ER, and the ability to hop in the truck and drive 2000 miles to the Keys, and... DonO - Original Message - FROM: Chuck Alexander [1] TO: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [2] SENT: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:56 PM SUBJECT: Re: [VFB] Coal Bed Methane (CBM), how to make a choice... Yep... It's like prisons. We ALL want the bad guys locked up, just NOT in our communities, Chuck - Original Message - FROM: Don Ordes [3] TO: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [4] SENT: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:59 PM SUBJECT: Re: [VFB] Coal Bed Methane (CBM), how to make a choice... Neville, I understand totally. This is not a political debate, but a reality we all face and have caused by living in a technological age. As long as we operate vehicles and heat our homes (and AC them), we are going to need sources of power. This is what it's all about. No one, including me, wants to see the the sacrifice of our land and liviability surrendered to the unscruplous and loosely handled operations of the greedy energy conglomerates and Wall St. We all want it, but 'over there, not here'. That's what's driving the whole industry to look for alternte fuels and sources of power. So now in Wyoming we have huge windmill farms that are just as bad as CBM (or logging was) for desecrating the landscapes and horizons. They have to have roads, maintenance crews, distribution lines, etc., and all this messes with the enviornment. No one wants dams anymore, so tear them down. Coal companies fund those efforts. No one wants oil or natural gas operations, especially near them. Obvious reasons, as Neville stated. No one wants the pollution of coal-fired power plants, although with proper scrubbing, they're much better than they used to be. (But electric cars will be needed to make use of the transportation capabilities.) Solar power is an option for generating electricity, but decades from meaningful contributions (like windmills). Geothermal is being done, but too few places, and most of them parks. Volcanoes are a good source of power, but are problemmatical and usually require human sacrifice. (lol) Here they want to take the windmills down in lieu of scenery and the environment. Bio-fuels are expensive to produce, like ethanol, and this has come under fire for corruption and inefficiency. Some local waste-gas systems are efficient, but don't affect the big problems, not yet anyway. Hydrogen may be a way, but it is very problemmatical. Offshore methane hydrate deposits may have more btu's locked up than all the other sources on earth combined, but it is very hard to reach and expensive to get to the surface. We don't even have the technology yet to get it, but some proposals are out there. I say slurry- we'll see. If we can harness lightning, that could be a source, but again, is decades from reality. Nuclear Energy is making a comeback (as GB would say- 'nucular'), but that has it's risks, too. Do you want to live downwind of one? Wood-burning in fireplaces is banned in cities all over the country because of smoke pollution. So, in the big picture, what's working against your favorite fishing and recreating areas? Demand and control. We demand and they control. 'We' are the users and 'they' are the providers (along with the 'parasites' of the providers). Everyone who has their hand in the fuel-till is a parasite of the provider, and the provider is a parasite of the land. Even if one is an energy investor, he has a responsibility for the harm done. So a portion of every dollar you spend on fuel is used to wreck your environment (or their's), and then line the pockets of rich people politicians, and then get you where you want to be, heat your home, and cook your burgers. I don't have to explain how powerful the oil companies are when it comes to detroit and mpg for cars. Wow, all of a sudden cars are getting 35+ mpg. Why didn't they do that
Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY?
Tom, CNG is still a gas vapor, as opposed to LNG, which would be Liquified Nat. Gas. How are they selling a vapor in gallons? No stores around here that I've found, so I can't go check into it. What's the refilling like? Do they provide the tanks and conversion kits? I'd still have plenty of power since my 3/4ton has a 8.1 liter gasser. My other is a diesel, so it wouldn't work. DonO - Original Message - From: Tom Davenport t...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:39 PM Subject: Re: CNG - was Re: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY? My truck is one of many white Ford F-150 that are on the road with the CNG sticker on the back. They stem from a law (now defunct) requiring government fleets to have twenty percent of the their vehicles use a green fuel. Most used either propane or CNG (compressed natural gas). All of them started life as conventional gasoline engines that were prepped for CNG conversion, and they will run on either gasoline or CNG. The law lapsed, and as the trucks aged they were sold from the fleets. The truck has more power when running on gasoline and better mpg. I get 18 mpg on the freeway with gasoline, only 14 to 15 with natural gas. I don't know what my city mileage would be with gasoline since I have never tried it, but with natural gas, it is pretty dismal... around 11 mpg. But with gas costing over $3.00 a gallon, and CNG at 93 cents a gallon, it is like driving a 8-cylinder truck getting 33 mpg! There are several downsides to owning CNG. As Don pointed out, it is hard to pack much natural gas in the tank. Mine is 13 gallons, but I have never been able to fill it with more than 9. How much you can actually put in a tank depends entirely on the current pressure of the refilling station . Sometimes the pressure has been so low that I could only get five gallons into an empty 13 gallon tank! Not only that, CNG stations are few and far between. There are only three between Ogden and Salt Lake City, (but one of them I go past every day on my way to work). The cost of natural gas varies widely from state to state. In Utah, all of the CNG stations are run buy Questar, our natural gas provider. They are located at regular gas stations, but I pay by credit card directly to Questar. I bought the truck primarily for fishing. I can get to all of my most frequented reservoirs using natural gas, and it pulls my boat FAR better than my old 4 cylinder Toyota Tacoma! On May 18, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Allan Fish wrote: Tom said, bought a truck that uses CNG so not only can I go fishing green, but I can go cheap! (currently $.93 cents a gallon) Interesting to look at the prices of CNG across the country. ALL of the Utah stations are 93｢/gallon. All of the Indiana stations are $1.73 (and few and far between). California stations ranged from $1.09 San Jose Unified School District - a flet operation) to $4.25 per gallon (Napa - Redwood Chevron). Source: http://www.cngprices.com/ a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Magenta, Golden Badger American Hackle
So, I found the saddle in Denmark...and ordered it already. Shipping is low and fast - hopefully. Bought a grizzly Eurosaddle from Whiting, which was labeled as 'Flatwing' in the confirmation... I know the flatwings (We had a hackle swap with these as well), but in the context of Eurosaddle? Rene Rene Zillmann wrote: Mart, good idea, found a saddle at korsholm, but there is so much text in danish. I sent 'em an email and asked for shipment etc. Let's see how it turns out. Don: Thanks for your kind offer. I'll ty indeed only 1 fly for sort of competition, but wanted to do some more for fishing. If I can get the saddle from Denmark, I'm fine. Otherwise I will come back to your kind offer, and will ty the practice flies with orange... Rene Martin Westbeek wrote: I'd check out some Danish webshops (Go Fishing in Odense for instance, or Korsholm http://www.korsholm.dk/fiskeri.html) if I were you. They have a lot of feathers not easily found elsewhere, and shipping should be reasonable. Hurry though, before the euro drops even more! :-) Mart - Original Message - From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: [VFB] Magenta, Golden Badger American Hackle Hi Don, all, I'm on the lookout for some magenta and golden badger hackle for winging a streamer. Whiting's American Hackle Necks look perfect, and at least they seem to come in the right colors (From W. site), but I cannot find 'em in shops. Are these colors available right now? Any idea where to get them? I found http://www.saltwaterflytyers.com who carry at least magenta as a saddle. But they charge 30 bucks just for shipping to me. Any substitute in case? I need it to ty a Carrie's Favorite. Magenta is the problem, If I cannot get my hands on a Golden Badger, i have a saddle from Denny, and I'll find some suitable feather on it, as a 'plan B'. Rene -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Magenta, Golden Badger American Hackle
Maybe they have to specially treat them for avian flu before exporting them to Europe. ? DonO - Original Message - From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Magenta, Golden Badger American Hackle So, I found the saddle in Denmark...and ordered it already. Shipping is low and fast - hopefully. Bought a grizzly Eurosaddle from Whiting, which was labeled as 'Flatwing' in the confirmation... I know the flatwings (We had a hackle swap with these as well), but in the context of Eurosaddle? Rene Rene Zillmann wrote: Mart, good idea, found a saddle at korsholm, but there is so much text in danish. I sent 'em an email and asked for shipment etc. Let's see how it turns out. Don: Thanks for your kind offer. I'll ty indeed only 1 fly for sort of competition, but wanted to do some more for fishing. If I can get the saddle from Denmark, I'm fine. Otherwise I will come back to your kind offer, and will ty the practice flies with orange... Rene Martin Westbeek wrote: I'd check out some Danish webshops (Go Fishing in Odense for instance, or Korsholm http://www.korsholm.dk/fiskeri.html) if I were you. They have a lot of feathers not easily found elsewhere, and shipping should be reasonable. Hurry though, before the euro drops even more! :-) Mart - Original Message - From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: [VFB] Magenta, Golden Badger American Hackle Hi Don, all, I'm on the lookout for some magenta and golden badger hackle for winging a streamer. Whiting's American Hackle Necks look perfect, and at least they seem to come in the right colors (From W. site), but I cannot find 'em in shops. Are these colors available right now? Any idea where to get them? I found http://www.saltwaterflytyers.com who carry at least magenta as a saddle. But they charge 30 bucks just for shipping to me. Any substitute in case? I need it to ty a Carrie's Favorite. Magenta is the problem, If I cannot get my hands on a Golden Badger, i have a saddle from Denny, and I'll find some suitable feather on it, as a 'plan B'. Rene -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Magenta, Golden Badger American Hackle
Hi Don, They sell the 'usual stuff', like the necks, saddles, buggerpacks etc. here like in the US. Saw even spey saddles and necks. Not all colors, though. But additionally these Euro Saddles. The danish shop sells them under the whiting brand (Can do a scan, when I have them), but I know from others, that they sell 'em as Euro Saddles without the Whiting logo. But they claim, that the saddles are from the largest US breeder, and that is... G. Right now the asian flu isn't a topic here any more Rene Don Ordes wrote: Maybe they have to specially treat them for avian flu before exporting them to Europe. ? DonO - Original Message - From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Magenta, Golden Badger American Hackle So, I found the saddle in Denmark...and ordered it already. Shipping is low and fast - hopefully. Bought a grizzly Eurosaddle from Whiting, which was labeled as 'Flatwing' in the confirmation... I know the flatwings (We had a hackle swap with these as well), but in the context of Eurosaddle? Rene Rene Zillmann wrote: Mart, good idea, found a saddle at korsholm, but there is so much text in danish. I sent 'em an email and asked for shipment etc. Let's see how it turns out. Don: Thanks for your kind offer. I'll ty indeed only 1 fly for sort of competition, but wanted to do some more for fishing. If I can get the saddle from Denmark, I'm fine. Otherwise I will come back to your kind offer, and will ty the practice flies with orange... Rene Martin Westbeek wrote: I'd check out some Danish webshops (Go Fishing in Odense for instance, or Korsholm http://www.korsholm.dk/fiskeri.html) if I were you. They have a lot of feathers not easily found elsewhere, and shipping should be reasonable. Hurry though, before the euro drops even more! :-) Mart - Original Message - From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: [VFB] Magenta, Golden Badger American Hackle Hi Don, all, I'm on the lookout for some magenta and golden badger hackle for winging a streamer. Whiting's American Hackle Necks look perfect, and at least they seem to come in the right colors (From W. site), but I cannot find 'em in shops. Are these colors available right now? Any idea where to get them? I found http://www.saltwaterflytyers.com who carry at least magenta as a saddle. But they charge 30 bucks just for shipping to me. Any substitute in case? I need it to ty a Carrie's Favorite. Magenta is the problem, If I cannot get my hands on a Golden Badger, i have a saddle from Denny, and I'll find some suitable feather on it, as a 'plan B'. Rene -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
