Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer
Tony, have you considered making a streamer with a bit of golden pheasant for the tail instead of biots. I find in fishing streamers that no tail or a very soft tail, golden pheasant or a bit of arctic fox fur works wonderfully. For the wing the feather is Ok, but more effective in the water is artic fox tail (if you have some) or maraboo. The movement is better and seems more alluring to the fish, It's a good concept..think your pattern will work just fine. I have also found that if you want the colors to remain more true and have an inner glow so to speak, that you can first wind silver tinsel under the body the whole hook length, then leave a bit -2-3 wraps, as a tag just above the barb area, then tie the floss on for the body. There seems to be a nicer look and more alive look in the water when I do this. Have fun. Joyce On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote: Chappy, I am thinking about using Peacock Sword for the tail instead of Biots. Should I have the curve up or down. Also think of Peacock Herl for the throat what do you think. Was thinking about a bit of a tag of Black Ostrich and tying in the tail then a bit more Black Ostrich in front of the tail tie in between the tail and body. Will have to pick up some UTC Black I really don't like to tie with it. Tony *From:* Chappy aavidcha...@gmail.com *To:* VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:50 AM *Subject:* [VFB] Re: Streamer Hi Tony, From being in the northeast; tying and fishing streamers, I will add a few comments. This fly needs some peacock herl, topping, or bucktail to fill in the open space...of course becoming Carrie Stevens Ghost like. The first thing I always look at are the finish on the heads especially for plate flies. I recommend using some UTC black fine thread. Untwist this thread so it lays flat sort of like very mini floss. You have to untwist with a slight bobbin spin every 5-10 wraps. This allows you to make a sweet head with no imperfections by laying the thread to fill in uneveness. Then use 1 coat of penetrating cement like flexament or sally hansens. then apply 2 -3 coats of hard as hull head cement. Give at least 4-6 hours in between coats. Or you can use rod building epoxy once (this is less non-yellowing over time) This type of finished head commands attention. The marabou throat also looks out of place. I would prefer to see a feather or barbule throat. Instead of the chart tail, use a crest topping - it will also look regal. Marabou is fantastic for streamers and it is fun as you can add a lot of flash. I like to use marabou as an underwing. You can wet it first before you tie it in and when it dries it has a little less bulk and complements both bucktail and feather wings. A marabou throat looks more appealing with this type of wing construction. I just tied up some magog smelts for a client and I need to take some pictures of what I am talking about. Certainly like the jungle cock cheek and eye. This also looks great on a lighter color wing. Where as silver pheasant makes a great cheek for dark wings Can't wait to see your next one. Chappy. On Dec 21, 5:19 pm, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to tie some large flies for a couple of fly plates. This is a sample of one of the streamers I plan on tying. I am not totally satisfied with it so I am open to comments on any aspect of it before I tie another like it. I am open o all comments especally the negitave ones.. Arkansas Tony Streamer fot Plate.JPG 293KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] xmas
Merry Christmas to all on the list. Thank you for all your prayers and thoughts in what has been a difficult year for me. At this time I am off the chemo, got a few after effects such as bad fingers and aching arms, not good for fly tying but managing to get out and do a bit of fishing. Had a nice 16 inch Grayling a couple of weeks back on a lovely chalk stream (6 grayling and 5 browns in total ) Dono thank you for my gift, I really appreciated it. Birdie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] message
Merry Christmas to all and Happy Holidays Jerry McKaughan, President CADDIS Fly Fishers P.O. Box 9104 Russellville, AR 72811 www.caddisflyfishers.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer
Looks like I may have to start from scratch. I only need to tie two alike for the plates and I have never tied any streamers of this type in all my years of tying. This is a learning curve for me. Tony From: Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer Tony, have you considered making a streamer with a bit of golden pheasant for the tail instead of biots. I find in fishing streamers that no tail or a very soft tail, golden pheasant or a bit of arctic fox fur works wonderfully. For the wing the feather is Ok, but more effective in the water is artic fox tail (if you have some) or maraboo. The movement is better and seems more alluring to the fish, It's a good concept..think your pattern will work just fine. I have also found that if you want the colors to remain more true and have an inner glow so to speak, that you can first wind silver tinsel under the body the whole hook length, then leave a bit -2-3 wraps, as a tag just above the barb area, then tie the floss on for the body. There seems to be a nicer look and more alive look in the water when I do this. Have fun. Joyce On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote: Chappy, I am thinking about using Peacock Sword for the tail instead of Biots. Should I have the curve up or down. Also think of Peacock Herl for the throat what do you think. Was thinking about a bit of a tag of Black Ostrich and tying in the tail then a bit more Black Ostrich in front of the tail tie in between the tail and body. Will have to pick up some UTC Black I really don't like to tie with it. Tony From: Chappy aavidcha...@gmail.com To: VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:50 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: Streamer Hi Tony, From being in the northeast; tying and fishing streamers, I will add a few comments. This fly needs some peacock herl, topping, or bucktail to fill in the open space...of course becoming Carrie Stevens Ghost like. The first thing I always look at are the finish on the heads especially for plate flies. I recommend using some UTC black fine thread. Untwist this thread so it lays flat sort of like very mini floss. You have to untwist with a slight bobbin spin every 5-10 wraps. This allows you to make a sweet head with no imperfections by laying the thread to fill in uneveness. Then use 1 coat of penetrating cement like flexament or sally hansens. then apply 2 -3 coats of hard as hull head cement. Give at least 4-6 hours in between coats. Or you can use rod building epoxy once (this is less non-yellowing over time) This type of finished head commands attention. The marabou throat also looks out of place. I would prefer to see a feather or barbule throat. Instead of the chart tail, use a crest topping - it will also look regal. Marabou is fantastic for streamers and it is fun as you can add a lot of flash. I like to use marabou as an underwing. You can wet it first before you tie it in and when it dries it has a little less bulk and complements both bucktail and feather wings. A marabou throat looks more appealing with this type of wing construction. I just tied up some magog smelts for a client and I need to take some pictures of what I am talking about. Certainly like the jungle cock cheek and eye. This also looks great on a lighter color wing. Where as silver pheasant makes a great cheek for dark wings Can't wait to see your next one. Chappy. On Dec 21, 5:19 pm, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to tie some large flies for a couple of fly plates. This is a sample of one of the streamers I plan on tying. I am not totally satisfied with it so I am open to comments on any aspect of it before I tie another like it. I am open o all comments especally the negitave ones.. Arkansas Tony Streamer fot Plate.JPG 293KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer
Tony: I am sure that what ever you tie, it will be very much appreciated by whom ever receives it. You are a great tier and I believe it will turn out great. You need to give your self more credit. I know how humble you are but the rest of us on the list think very highly of you. Thank You, Alan Di Somma You know you'r a redneck when... . From: Anthony Spezio Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:38 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer Looks like I may have to start from scratch. I only need to tie two alike for the plates and I have never tied any streamers of this type in all my years of tying. This is a learning curve for me. Tony From: Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer Tony, have you considered making a streamer with a bit of golden pheasant for the tail instead of biots. I find in fishing streamers that no tail or a very soft tail, golden pheasant or a bit of arctic fox fur works wonderfully. For the wing the feather is Ok, but more effective in the water is artic fox tail (if you have some) or maraboo. The movement is better and seems more alluring to the fish, It's a good concept..think your pattern will work just fine. I have also found that if you want the colors to remain more true and have an inner glow so to speak, that you can first wind silver tinsel under the body the whole hook length, then leave a bit -2-3 wraps, as a tag just above the barb area, then tie the floss on for the body. There seems to be a nicer look and more alive look in the water when I do this. Have fun. Joyce On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote: Chappy, I am thinking about using Peacock Sword for the tail instead of Biots. Should I have the curve up or down. Also think of Peacock Herl for the throat what do you think. Was thinking about a bit of a tag of Black Ostrich and tying in the tail then a bit more Black Ostrich in front of the tail tie in between the tail and body. Will have to pick up some UTC Black I really don't like to tie with it. Tony From: Chappy aavidcha...@gmail.com To: VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:50 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: Streamer Hi Tony, From being in the northeast; tying and fishing streamers, I will add a few comments. This fly needs some peacock herl, topping, or bucktail to fill in the open space...of course becoming Carrie Stevens Ghost like. The first thing I always look at are the finish on the heads especially for plate flies. I recommend using some UTC black fine thread. Untwist this thread so it lays flat sort of like very mini floss. You have to untwist with a slight bobbin spin every 5-10 wraps. This allows you to make a sweet head with no imperfections by laying the thread to fill in uneveness. Then use 1 coat of penetrating cement like flexament or sally hansens. then apply 2 -3 coats of hard as hull head cement. Give at least 4-6 hours in between coats. Or you can use rod building epoxy once (this is less non-yellowing over time) This type of finished head commands attention. The marabou throat also looks out of place. I would prefer to see a feather or barbule throat. Instead of the chart tail, use a crest topping - it will also look regal. Marabou is fantastic for streamers and it is fun as you can add a lot of flash. I like to use marabou as an underwing. You can wet it first before you tie it in and when it dries it has a little less bulk and complements both bucktail and feather wings. A marabou throat looks more appealing with this type of wing construction. I just tied up some magog smelts for a client and I need to take some pictures of what I am talking about. Certainly like the jungle cock cheek and eye. This also looks great on a lighter color wing. Where as silver pheasant makes a great cheek for dark wings Can't wait to see your next one. Chappy. On Dec 21, 5:19 pm, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to tie some large flies for a couple of fly plates. This is a sample of one of the streamers I plan on tying. I am not totally satisfied with it so I am open to comments on any aspect of it before I tie another like it. I am open o all comments especally the negitave ones.. Arkansas Tony Streamer fot Plate.JPG 293KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB
Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer
I will give it my best, I just did not think there were so mane variables. Tony From: phxflyt...@cox.net phxflyt...@cox.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer Tony: I am sure that what ever you tie, it will be very much appreciated by whom ever receives it. You are a great tier and I believe it will turn out great. You need to give your self more credit. I know how humble you are but the rest of us on the list think very highly of you. Thank You, Alan Di Somma You know you'r a redneck when... . From: Anthony Spezio Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:38 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer Looks like I may have to start from scratch. I only need to tie two alike for the plates and I have never tied any streamers of this type in all my years of tying. This is a learning curve for me. Tony From: Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Streamer Tony, have you considered making a streamer with a bit of golden pheasant for the tail instead of biots. I find in fishing streamers that no tail or a very soft tail, golden pheasant or a bit of arctic fox fur works wonderfully. For the wing the feather is Ok, but more effective in the water is artic fox tail (if you have some) or maraboo. The movement is better and seems more alluring to the fish, It's a good concept..think your pattern will work just fine. I have also found that if you want the colors to remain more true and have an inner glow so to speak, that you can first wind silver tinsel under the body the whole hook length, then leave a bit -2-3 wraps, as a tag just above the barb area, then tie the floss on for the body. There seems to be a nicer look and more alive look in the water when I do this. Have fun. Joyce On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote: Chappy, I am thinking about using Peacock Sword for the tail instead of Biots. Should I have the curve up or down. Also think of Peacock Herl for the throat what do you think. Was thinking about a bit of a tag of Black Ostrich and tying in the tail then a bit more Black Ostrich in front of the tail tie in between the tail and body. Will have to pick up some UTC Black I really don't like to tie with it. Tony From: Chappy aavidcha...@gmail.com To: VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:50 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: Streamer Hi Tony, From being in the northeast; tying and fishing streamers, I will add a few comments. This fly needs some peacock herl, topping, or bucktail to fill in the open space...of course becoming Carrie Stevens Ghost like. The first thing I always look at are the finish on the heads especially for plate flies. I recommend using some UTC black fine thread. Untwist this thread so it lays flat sort of like very mini floss. You have to untwist with a slight bobbin spin every 5-10 wraps. This allows you to make a sweet head with no imperfections by laying the thread to fill in uneveness. Then use 1 coat of penetrating cement like flexament or sally hansens. then apply 2 -3 coats of hard as hull head cement. Give at least 4-6 hours in between coats. Or you can use rod building epoxy once (this is less non-yellowing over time) This type of finished head commands attention. The marabou throat also looks out of place. I would prefer to see a feather or barbule throat. Instead of the chart tail, use a crest topping - it will also look regal. Marabou is fantastic for streamers and it is fun as you can add a lot of flash. I like to use marabou as an underwing. You can wet it first before you tie it in and when it dries it has a little less bulk and complements both bucktail and feather wings. A marabou throat looks more appealing with this type of wing construction. I just tied up some magog smelts for a client and I need to take some pictures of what I am talking about. Certainly like the jungle cock cheek and eye. This also looks great on a lighter color wing. Where as silver pheasant makes a great cheek for dark wings Can't wait to see your next one. Chappy. On Dec 21, 5:19 pm, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to tie some large flies for a couple of fly plates. This is a sample of one of the streamers I plan on tying. I am not totally satisfied with it so I am open to comments on any aspect of it before I tie another like it. I am open o all comments especally the negitave ones.. Arkansas Tony Streamer fot Plate.JPG 293KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [VFB] My Whip Finisher
Chuck, Don't feel bad, I have never mastered the Thompson Whip Finished easither. The other types I can do real good but not that one. Come to the Sowbug in March and I bet I can show you how so you can do it by hand. Tony From: Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@centurylink.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:09 AM Subject: [VFB] My Whip Finisher Folks: here's the only whip finisher I have ever been able to use. When I started tying, almost 7 years ago now, I ordered a starter kit from Cabelas, and it has a whip finisher like the one in the link here. http://www.cabelas.com/tools-vises-cabelas-stainless-steel-whip-finisher-1.shtml?WT.tsrc=CSEWT.mc_id=GoogleBaseUSAWT.z_mc_id1=741770rid=40mr:trackingCode=1F809052-F5D2-DF11-82EF-001B21631C34mr:referralID=NA But it is just t flimsy for me, and the thread comes lose every time. So, I took a steel clothes hanger, a coffee stirrer, and two plastic craft beads and made the one in the photo attached . The beads are glued in place, but the straw is not, to allow it to spin and I have tied whip finishes with this thing from size 28 all the way to about sized 2/0, and in less than five seconds, so even though I'm kind of embarrassed to admit it, i have watched at LEAST 100 videos from DVD's to YouTube, to websites etc, showing how to whip finish by hand, I cannot seem to get the hang of it. My wife however, who does NOT tie flies, watched one of the Poul Jorgenson videos I have and he shows how to hand tie the whip finished by hand, in slow, step by step's, and my wife was able to tie a whip finish knot by hand on about her second try. Me. Like I said, I'm still trying to learn LOL.. I don't feel that I miss anything cause like I say, i can tie one with my hand made doo dad here in 5 seconds or less, but learning to tie the knot by hand IS on my bucket list. I need to dig out the Jorgenson (or Tony's as he shows a good step by step on one of his videos as well i think) video, sit down with my wife and let her teach me. Chuck If anybody is interested in a home made one like mine, I have them for $29.95 plus $9.95 SH ROFL...Or, I'll knock off 2 bucks if you provide your own coffee stirrer LOL... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] MERRY CHRISTMAS
JUST WANTED TO SEND EACH OF YOU VFB'ERS A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR JIM AND JODY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] xmas
Good to hear from you. Hope everything goes well for you not only during this season, but the whole year. Ri9ck From: Brian Burgess brian.burge...@btinternet.com To: vfb vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:22 AM Subject: [VFB] xmas Merry Christmas to all on the list. Thank you for all your prayers and thoughts in what has been a difficult year for me. At this time I am off the chemo, got a few after effects such as bad fingers and aching arms, not good for fly tying but managing to get out and do a bit of fishing. Had a nice 16 inch Grayling a couple of weeks back on a lovely chalk stream (6 grayling and 5 browns in total ) Dono thank you for my gift, I really appreciated it. Birdie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
